and -- >> i ask, what is the solution? what is the solution to create an advancement of peace? we have to advance a discourse on peace. our politicians get it. >> isn't that the opposite of peace? two sides yelling at each other with placards two blocks from ground zero? which people i think here in new yorknd around the country would say that is sacred land. that is -- that's a special place for everyone in america. is tt -- is that a step toward peace there? >> well, as clyde haberman and many, many people have said, look at what exists in that neighbor hood. look at what exists around the corner. >> oh, i -- believe me, i live downtown so i know the or neighborhood very well. >> so let's be clear.la calling this particular block sacred ground and what exists there, there's, you know --. >> strip clubs and delis. i've been there a million times. i think when people call it sacred ground, they're saying something terrible happened on this spot and we can't -- >> we've got to be fair. you can't say a place that has p joints is sacred ground. we've got to be just. we've got to speak the truth. we've got to have justice for