something counterproductive in the way -- has our reaction produced a kind of -- has it embroiled us in, you kno places around the world? bin laden said once in one of his interviews, he said all we have to do is to send a few, a couple of jihadis to plas, ray the banner of al qaeda, and the american generals come running with their armies. >> well, he's right. i mean, 9/11 provided the opportunity to invade iraq, which had noing to do with al qaeda. and today we are engaging in d what i call blood feuds in pakistan and waziristan with a tribe in waziristan. and noin yemen apparently we're getting into a blood feud there. so this inability to define terrorism and islamic militancy is getting us into oor ne me after another. we are not out of iraq, and it's unlikely we will be completely out next year. we're putting a lot of pressure on islamabad by fighting in the