people who sort of -- >> i'm sorry, nic. fran, on that point, can we fairly say these people are brainwashed? >> i think that's exactly what happens. they get preached -- in the piece on anwar al awlaki, he preached strict adherence to islam and the message gradually got more radical, more violent, if you will. and i think that's what youee happening here. theyom bece very much adherence to the strict principles of islam and then it's a more radical message and then what happenthey're encouraged to look for an opportunity to act on this radical, perverted preaching of islam, and tn they're giving an opportunity. and so it seems to follow a very diinct pattern that it's an evolution over time where they gradually walk down a path whether or not they really realize that's where it's going to end up. >> and, nic, i'm not asking for a silver lining here, but are there less and less of them?