is america islamaphobic? you were there in tora bora. you tried to get support. he got away. why do you think the united states still has not been able to get this guy? >> of course, if you look on the pakistani side of the border there, there are 28 million poshtoons. he could find sanctuary. it's even conceivable now he could have moved himself to yemen to be among his own people. nine years is a very, very long time. he could be in pakistan and someplace else after all these years. >> robin, some people say nine years later, osama bin laden is not as important as he once was sw and doesn't matter whether or not he is caught. do you buy that? >> he was a charismatic figure at one point. al qaeda will continue to operate without him. his version of al qaeda is quite a small organization and that's