you travel around the country. >> all the time. >> what do you actually see? a, do you see an agenda being spread? and can you address bullying -- focus on the family is saying focus on the bully. is that an effective program? >> well, two things. one is that as a counselor who is actually going to be administrating this program, you have so many things to do that usually what happens is even with all these mandates the best you're going to get is a 45-minute presentation with like 500 kids. because a lot of our programs in schools are at big schools. 3,000 kids. 2,500 kids. so the logistics of this make this pretty much impossible to be able to do. that's the first thing. second, this is not just about the gay kids in school. it's about everybody. because bullying does not exist without homophobia. kids are proving, they have to prove they belong to be men. they have to prove that, you know, you're in seventh grade and you say something, you're speaking out about something being cruel, then someone's going to say to you don't be gay. and that stops you from being able to say what you want to say, which is don't do it. and so that's literally teaching