what type of weapons they're carrying. and s.w.a.t. teams typically train for the worst case scenario. they don't want to go in to this situation with their weapons and have to flush this guy out. but if they have to, they will. and that's what they're trained to do. so that tac unit is working very closely with those sharpshooters and with the command team. everybody's having a nice, close look at this situation. hopefully, like i said, they'll be able to keep this thing nice and calm and come to some type of resolution which is really the goal of that law enforcement agency or with any good agency. >> at the moment, what we know is that -- we haven't seen any developments on the ground. everything, as you said, does seem to have been put into a holding pattern. this business about tanks on the back, this is information that was given to a news organization by somebody who came out of the building. what do you make of that, aaron, tanks? >> i make two things -- either