died in these wars and the families are lied to, and it's outrageous. >> larry: friendly fire is common in all wars isn't it though, patrick? goes back to every war before has friendly fire when you are out in a police and people and guns are going off? >> they have books on it going back to the civil war that i'm familiar with and they have books going back to the civil war i'm familiar with is a thank say you do not split the troops because it is very dangerous. but you know, the point that we were trying to make and friendly fire does occur, maybe it was an accident, probably was an accident, but the setting that we were handed was just unbearable. it was -- it was not even tethered to a fact. it was so manufactured that made it tough to toll rate and that is why we kept pushing on here. and no one has been held accountable about this matter. >> larry: two of the soldiers that served with pat will join us, right after this.