three decades and in order to get to those 370,000, they basically had to go to seven-11s and ask everybody early in the morning if they had papers and racial profiling -- this has been very well documented. not criminal elements, but just going out there and picking people up off the street. now, this administration of obama is on record to exceed that number, over 400,000. so, what it tells you is that you can do a lot of enforcement, but your capacity has already been well extended. so, i think what we should do is stop looking at kind of these diversions, these distractions and what should be a genuine discussion that we should have in this country and come up with good public policy that will give us a solution to the problem. >> people in states like arizona say that's exactly what they want. they don't want to be the ones bearing the burdens of this. they want basically you and everyone else in washington to take up your responsibilities in actually coming up with some sort of realistic solution here. >> sure.