how does it happen? >> it's because that the things that they're making the weapons out of, they're sometimes allowed to have while they're around. and it's already inside the institution itself. when you talk about the hanging or the file holders that holds the file folders, you talk about toothbrushes, razor blades that are melted into the toothbrush that the inmates are allowed to shave with. there are so many things they can use that's already there. it's not the fact that so much you bring something new in, it's already there. >> jason, tell us what you have in front of you. you have some shefranks, right? >> absolutely. these are a small example of some confiscated. >> hold those up. that was made in prison? >> absolutely. and it's ready for business. and the fact that it's been sharpened, robbly on concrete and has the sheet torn wrapped for the handle. >> and where would that piece of steel come from? >> from a variety of sources.