with him over 20 years is he is a very tempered, deliberate, thoughtful judge. and he is willing to go out on a limb when he sees a matter of principle as he did on the wire tap case. when an appointee of his, you know, bush senior and ronald reagan appointed him to this court, for him to then come out on the wiretapping i think underscores his sort of independence of mind. again, i think he's trying to lay a very thorough foundation for what are surely going to be appealed to the 9th circuit and then surely an appeal to the supreme court. this case is clearly going to the supreme court. that's where it's ultimately going to be decided. >> it's going to take a few years before it gets to the supreme court. a lot of folks wonder what it's going to happen in the meantime. from day one you've been out there, you've interviewed these lawyers. chad griffin brought this expert legal team together but right now it's just going to be a few more months until they