about going around congress or discussing doing things after the election in a special session after voters are done. i think the president needs to engage the country and congress needs to engage the country on immigration publicly. they haven't done that. that's why the president is in trouble with hispanic voters and the labor unions have been a boat anchor on any sort of meaningful reform. >> we'll talk to senator john mccain later in the program. at an event in arizona he said january, that's when this might be done. no legislative proposal from the democrats this year. would this be something, neera, you would recommend that democrats do in a lame duck session? we'll have an election in november. a lot of people won't be coming back in january if they lose elections. congress can still meet after the election and before the new congress is sworn in and can do just about anything. is that when they should do this? >> i think democrats should lead on comprehensive immigration reform. i think they should lead now.