campaign being one of the most thoughtful and detail analysis and discussions of race that we've had. i think he's led just by the mere fact of being president, led a discussion in this country and an evolution in this country beyond some of our oldest demons and divides in this future which is a fundamental diverse nation. >> sue ann, i believe -- >> go ahead. >> obviously he talks about it in a setting he's comfortable with, before the urban league, a friendly audience in, a manner that he feels is thoughtful. is it -- is it fair the criticism that's been levelled against him, that he doesn't address it at a timely way at a point where it seems people really want him to address it? >> well, a lot of critics want him to do is address the issue of race when it comes to one of these flashpoint discussions. shirley sherrod, new black panthers, the race speech and after reverend jeremiah wright, but what i really believe folks is saying is can this president acknowledge the realities of