much, actually, as african-americans. you don't see the same number of hispanics, say, in the afternoon anchor slots. you don't see asian-americans. you don't see native americans. so when we talk about diversity, i think it's also a larger discussion. >> but just to clarify, you were a cnn contributor. >> yes, i was. >> amy. >> and now you're not. go ahead, carole. >> i wanted to tell amy that rick sanchez, who is cuban, is -- does his show in the afternoon, i guess 3:00 to 4:00, something, and he's doing double duty now that campbell brown is leaving. so he's going to be on at 8:00 at night. did they need to use rick sanchez twice a day instead of picking don lemon or t.j. holmes to do it? >> they also had roland martin sub in when campbell brown was out on maternity leave. he's african-american. so he had the same job that rick sanchez has right now. but i would say that -- cnn, my former -- right. as is rick sanchez. i think those are comparable