>> scientists are now discovering that whales are self-aware, sentient beings. i think they're highly intelligent. when people say that is ridiculous, that only humans are intelligent, i equate intelligence with the ability to live in harmony with our environment, and by that criteria, we're not that intelligent at all. when you look at whales you are looking at a real mind in the ocean. i believe that one day through the use of computers we'll be able to communicate with the species. i think that's an exciting possibility. >> larry: the way they die is how? >> they're harpooned. it is a very agonizing death. none of this would be tolerated at any slaughterhouse in the world. last year we filmed one whale that was struck and it took 25 minutes to die after being hit with an explosive harpoon, being shot at continuously with high-powered rifles. a whale can take from ten minutes up to two hours to die. there is nothing really quite as cruel like this in any other part of the animal world. >> larry: laurens, have you