>> larry: not allowed but done. japan slammed the sea shepherd during the iwc gathering saying the attacks are becoming more aggressive. are they? >> what they mean they're becoming more effective. we saved 528 whalts this last season which is more than they killed. we have lost them tens of millions of dollars in losses. we understand that the best way to stop them is hit them where it hurts. economically. our objective is to sink the fleet economically. we haven't injured any of them. we're really at a disadvantage. they're trying to kill us out there. we're trying to do what we are doing making sure we don't injure any of them. >> larry: is their defense, chuck, their defense, these are whales. we are making a living. how are we different than fishermen? >> well -- >> larry: fishermen kill fish. >> fishermen kill fish. the fact is fishing is not illegal. sea shepherd enforces international conservation laws. the actions japan is taking are illegal. that's why we're going after that. >> larry: is it because we emotionally feel different about the whale than the fish? >> some people have an