be done on a permanent and clear and bold basis to do -- to deal with that problem. >> now it is a fantastic risk, as martin said what is going to on here, i don't think you can deny that it is very clear and that people can see a sense of purpose in it. economics and it's all about political confidence. it is perhaps a confidence trick. but you can sometimes -- she was extremely good at that. she would put her offer to the table, there would be a lot of counteractive evidence, she would stick with it, make some adjustments. she was saying all these cuts will be delivered, let's see if they'll be delivered to the letter and number on the table at the moment. so you have to know what you're doing. there is i bit of envy for we have a clear start and a position on what we want to do. >> you worry a lot about these kul cuts because you see a lot of them getting into services of