ideological, you can, or call it practical. they do see that they were having to make these big cuts because we got ourselves into a position whereby we could not finance the public services that we thought we could finance 'cause we are not as rich as we thought we were. and decided if something had to be done on a permanent and clear and bold basis to do -- to deal with that problem. >> now it is a fantastic risk, as martin said what is going to on here, i don't think you can deny that it is very clear and that people can see a sense of purpose in t economics is also about politics and is also about political confidence and it is perhaps a confidence trick but you can sometimes -- i think it extremely good at that, margaret thatcher, put her offer on the table, countervailing evidence, she would stick with it make some adjustment and see whether mr. cameron doesn't do that actually, saying are these cuts going to be delivered? let's see if they are delivered to the letter or the number that is on the table at the moment. but the main thing is you have to look as if you know what you're doing.