conversation one person knew was being recorded. this is mel gibson, he didn't. >> you have to under. if this is somebody dealing with the public relations fall out. that might be what the publicist would advice. that bite be what the agent -- if he had an agent would advice. this is somebody in the crosshairs of bliss investigation. the sheriff is investigating him. if this is him. if this becomes admissible. if they end up charging him. he's in a world of hurt. it would not be unlikely for the d.a.'s office, in l.a. county, if they thought that he in fact, if, and all of these are a lot of ifs. if they think teeth were knocked out. that's -- generally they ask for state prison. this is not a slap on the wrist. this is not misdemeanor conduct. the other problem, by having him come out and do an apology. a lot of things are on there over and above what gloria is talking about. things that are obnoxious, racist.