to me. >> larry: bob, how did you connect with the whale group? i see you with animals, i don't see you with whales? >> well i have a dear friend, named nancy burnett, who is a leading animal rights activist in the country. she is a long time admirer of sea shepherd. she has mentioned them several times. but this year she heard that they needed a new ship and she called me, she said, you ought to talk with paul watson. and help them out. so paul and i met. and i was very impressed with him as i am sure you are. and i -- listened to what had to say about what he needed and he explained as he has to you today, he explained to me that he was trying to sink the japanese whaling fleet