>> larry: fishermen kill fish. >> the fact is fishing is not illegal. sea shepherd enforces international conservation laws. the action jazz pan as japan is illegal. i've think we feel, people have an attachment to whales, seals, dolphins, that's why sea shepherd focuses primarily on these, use. if we can't save these animals that we have, some intrinsic connection with we have no chance of saving the rest of them. >> larry: what do you think of the people who do go and harpoon them? >> they're breaking international conversation law. look, of course they're people who are wanting to also feed their own families, and empathy there, everyone needs to make a living. but these people are illegally poaching wild animals. in the last five years, humans have actually realized how important biodiversity is. if we don't have all the wild animals in the word, humans will die as well. so the whales, it is, you know we are helping the whales. the whale is symbolic. we can't save the most popular