and wheelchair ramps and give kids happiness. >> larry: under privileged, poor kids. >> they would have a wonderful time. >> larry: what's that way? >> that way is just where we used to take the quads and go around and act crazy and ride horses and stuff. there's just so much land to still develop. but here is where he considered his happiness. this is what he felt -- >> larry: did he see this first? how did he pick this place? >> i understand when they did the video "say, say, say." my sister la toya was here and paul mccartney and michael. and he really liked it. see, to back up before that, i had a ranch in hidden valley. and michael would come over. and he loved what i had out there. because i had swans and everything. he said, jermaine, i'm going to buy a beautiful ranch one day. because he loved the ranch life. this was -- i think that's what inspired him to do this. >> larry: he spent a lot of time here in the hay day?