women. the women are really beautiful. the ratings have been fantastic, almost since i bought it, because it was a little bit of a sick puppy before i bought it. as you know it got extended both the miss universe and the miss usa got extended by nbc for three years whereas the miss america pageant is off television at least off network television. >> larry: the idea of doing these as best described racy layout photos, publicity reason change, what? >> i think they're art and i think we're a sign of the times. the world has progressed from the old-fashioned beauty pageant to what we have now and the photographer is a great photographer, world class photographer and this is what he wanted to do, and it really is high art, and the girls are magnificent. >> they are beautiful. what do you say to the critics who say it looks more like victoria's secret than a beauty pageant? >> well i think these girls in many respects are more beautiful than victoria's secret. the pictures are much more