eyes are on containing the leak and launching a massive cleanup operation but what are the long-term implications? is this the environmental disaster that could change our country's energy policy for good? we're joined by our good friend who is the author of "game over" and an expert on oil. i was out talking to people all week and a number of times people said to me, what's the cost of this disaster? i said we can add up the cost of cleaning up the oil but we are going to lose species of birds, some sea mammals, the shrimp industry decimated. i don't know what the long-term cost is. >> i don't think anybody does now, ali. we don't really know at this point whether they could even cap the thing and, you know, then, heaven forbid, it could be, you know, just enormous. but what people have to realize is when you start doing a lot of this drilling, you're going to have accidents. i mean, i did a simple minded calculation admittedly with nuclear power but the same principle applies. let's say you build a thousand reactors worldwide which is not an unrealistic number over the