as his lawyer -- >> no, no. excuse me. wait, this is a -- excuse me. this is a doctor, a man who served his country for 18 years. i think he can answer a question by himself. >> i think that the lawyer should protect the client from incriminating himself. you say it's false. you're not prosecuting this case. >> okay, lieutenants colonel, if you call you -- lieutenant colonel, if you call up the state of hawaii and ask for a birth certificate, that is the certificate of birth and you get a live document. >> that is not correct. >> the president has released the certificate of live birth to newspapers. two birth certificates, the republican governor of hawaii sent someone to view the certificate at the department of health and says it's there. >> that's not -- >> again, can the colonel not talk for himself? the guy's an adults. >> you said that that's a birth certificate, mr. cooper. you want to tell the truth to your viewers. >> according to the state of hawaii -- >> that's an abstract, a computer-generated abstract --