we have some students here from mira costa college. dr. john kerwin. we talked earlier. this is something that affects you as well. >> it does. many of my students have come to the country recently. and the work that i do is to help them adjust to the challenges of this country. arizona's our neighbor. so we're rather close. i know it's a concern for our students. but i think, like the border fence, i like this is going to be another futile gesture against change that's inevitable. and ultimately i think really our challenge is how to find creative ways to embrace the future. and that future means a lot of change for this country. >> are your students when you talk to them, are they outraged by this? >> they are. i think they're affected personally. many of them have family that have been affected by immigration policy. and it's made adjusting to this country extremely difficult. so part of what our work is, is