unprofessional, untrained, the kids are living in an environment where they are actually feral. it is a society of little animals living in these orphanages. >> anderson -- >> what i'm saying now, a sense that, the people who work there are really part of that society and they don't see that there's that much wrong and they see that the kids -- >> maybe a criminal prosecution isn't the answer to everything. >> exactly. >> maybe what this case is that people don't know about the resources that are out there or they feel that it's almost impossible to access those resource and maybe the solution is to make sure when people adopt children or even have biological children and those children have serious mental issues, which everyone thinks probably did happen here, that they know how to access the resources so they don't get to the point. >> they do. the problem here is i'm not adoption community, these resources are well known, well published. parents are required to have preadoption preparation classes. >> you say it is just denial? >> denial. we try in new york as professionals to get people to come to postadoption workshops all the time and people disappear. they want to live happily ever after and have a normal life. >> we got to leave it there. lisa bloom, appreciate it. dr. aaronson, always good to see you. we have also been talking about how this should have been handled. when we come back, another little russian boy adopted by