in the north and in the south, that's what the war was about, to end slavery, and the south did not want to end that. do you get that? >> i understand that part, but there are a lot of things that our history books, and they leave out. it's not strictly just over the issue of slavery. 93,000 african-americans participated on the side of the confederacy. they don't bring that up. >> those people participated, but they were not necessarily willing participants. >> no, these were -- >> and by the time african-americans could join, it was too late. it was 1865. smo didn't -- they weren't considered enough of a person to even join the army, to be allowed to join the army and fight in the war. >> well, it's in between 10,000 and 15,000 actually carried arms. >> let's bring in h.k. ed garton who's in charlotte, north carolina. h.k., talk -- you would know about this because this is what you do. what do you say to this, about african-americans, especially the slavery part of it? you can understand a lot of