but boy, does he have power. i spent most of my day today trying to figure out what was going on behind closed doors. meeting with democrat staff and republican staff ahead of tomorrow's opening on the debate on the reconciliation bill or change bill. he will decide whether or not when republicans say, oh, that's not -- that shouldn't be in there, that shouldn't be in there, whether that will live or die. he will make the ruling. and right now, republicans are actually waiting to find out if he will rule in their favor as to whether or not they can block this bill from coming to the floor at all. >> so one man, who we don't really know, decides whether the changes to this health care bill happen or not? >> i find it pretty remarkable. apparently he's been in this job or in this office since the '70s. this is his life, clearly. but you cover it, so it's my understanding that he has a little bit of wiggle room. it's his discretion. he's like a jung. >> he's the umpire. that's what he is. he decides. now technically, the president and the senate, meaning the vice president, could overrule him, but politically that could be a disaster. >> before we go, we spend a lot