>> now, it's kind of your point. he certainly told that story before but in the context of this debate, if you're advising him, maybe it bears repeating. >> you know, and you know that story, and i know that story, but i -- i bet you most americans don't know that story. you know we assume that people pay as much attention to this all as we do campbell, and we also know that's not true. and i think to repeat it, and again to connect his own personal experience, people go, oh no wonder he feels so strongly that people with pre-existing conditions shouldn't be cut off or people who are uninsured should have access to quality care because his own family's gone through it. look, that's not only thing he needs do. he's done a whole lot of other things in this health care process really well. he's so good at making the rational arguments, explaining the complicated situation. but by making that final connection, emotional connection