leno and what went on with him and conan. that's not where they're supposed to be in terms of their positioning of kind of the armchair critic or commentary for america. i agree that for david letterman, he would be very happy to forgo those ratings points as you say. it would have been gossip, t tabloid. >> i think it was an embarrassment for cbs news. joe halderman was angry because he thought his live-in girlfriend had somehow taken up with dave again. the audience certainly seems to have moved on. could you argue that this all actually helped dave by making him appear more, i don't know, human? >> i think you could argue that. these things happen and it's how you react to them and deal with