horrible memories, not only for myself, but other manson family victims. >> larry: glenn, you have other manson stuff there. does it bother you, what debra just said? >> well, we certainly try to concern ourselves with the thoughts and concerns of victims and certainly our hearts go out to them. it was, as chief beck mentioned, it was a terrible tragedy with a number of people lost their lives. likewise, we have an obligation both as a museum and then the bigger one as the police department to train, educate, and inform officers and the public doing about people that do this particular job of investigating people that have lost their jobs. >> larry: what are some other manson things you have, quickly? >> quickly, the ropes that the victims were bound with are on display in one cabinet. adjoining that cabinet was a fork that was used to stab another victim. >> larry: galand, our clinical