50 years to go to convict a police office of murder. and that officer only received seven years and they think he will be out in three. in some ways, this is a victory so there will be closure and peace for the family but certainly no substantive reform has actually been implemented since george floyd's death. in fact, during the duration of the trial, about three people per day died at the hands of police. and the day after the verdict, about six people died in the 24—hour period, so there was no kind of deterrence as we think about this kind of punishment. no official reform, as you say, but will this sentence set a precedent, do you think, for cases like this in the future? i've been studying these cases for a really long time, before they were on the kind of public consciousness of america and the world, and i will say there is something different about this era. i think the video of seeing george floyd begging for his life, and the bystanders videoing and begging the officer to stop, there was something about the visuals of that.