family, about their radicalisation, and about whether the attack could have been foreseen and prevented by those services. some of the hearings relating to that section of evidence will be held in private. the families won't be given access because of national security. so, this has got a long and complicated distance to go, i would say, certainly to the end of this year, into next year potentially, and i'm expecting two more very seriously critical reports to follow. and, chris, i mean, forjournalists sitting through these inquiries and hearing quite harrowing evidence, it's sometimes quite difficult as well, we should say remember that. and so we should say thank you to you for doing that for us, judith, thank you. good to talk to you, thanks. and that's all for this edition of newscast. thanks for watching, thanks for listening, thanks to everybody who's been on it, and thanks to you, chris, for being here in the studio, physically with me. but still two metres apart. it was a joy. thank you for having me. bye.