We celebrate 100 years of africanamerican special agents. Today, the program will honor their history, honor their service, and look towards the future. M hasewsy him newseu enjoyed working with the fbi during our time here. Our exhibits inside todays fbi, which explores headlinemaking fbi cases and explores how the bureau is fighting terrorism and cyber crime, is a visitor favorite. We have enjoyed hosting many programs with the fbi. I want to give a warm welcome to many former and current fbi in the room, and a warm welcome to our visitors and our members. Thank you as always for your support. Introduceleasure to fbi associate Deputy Director paul. [applause] paul good afternoon, everyone. What an amazing day. So privileged to be here. Thank you john, and to the newseum, for hosting this phenomenal and historic event, and to the fbis office of Foreign Affairs and office of diversity and inclusion for helping to organize such an Amazing Program today. It is an incredible privilege to be one small part of this celebration of the 100 Year Anniversary of the hiring and entry onto duty of the first africanamerican fbi special jones, ands wormley to recognize the enduring and ongoing achievements of the many africanamerican special agents who followed in essay joness oness footsteps. The theme of our anniversary is our history, our service, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. I would like to take a few moments to reflect on that theme and the meaning that it carries. When special jones joined the fbi in 1919, he charted a course for agents like john famous agents like the one who joined the fbi in 1921. Special agents jones and amos pave the way for many africanamerican special agents sat followed, including sa lewis and spiro, who joined in 1962 under the first formalized new agents Training Program at quantico. Jonesould also, like sas and amos, go on to lead accomplished careers in the fbi. Special agents lewis and arrow barrow opened doors for one of todays panelists, dr. John d. Glover. Thank you, sir, for being with us. The first we heard earlier i am going to repeat again because we are because they are of the utmost significance. First africanamerican assistant special agent in charge in the bureau history, newark, 1976. First africanamerican special agent in charge, milwaukee, 1979, and atlanta in 1980. First assistant director of the Inspection Division in 1982. And first africanamerican executive assistant director, administration having achieved that rank and position in 1986. Thank you, sir, dr. Glover, for all you have done. [applause] paul separately and tragically, on january 8, 1969, special agent edmund art woodruff became the first africanamerican agent to lose his life in the line of duty, while in pursuit of a fugitive here in the d. C. Area. This anniversary gives us the opportunity to remember and hold closely in our thoughts sa woodruff, his family, and his loved ones, and it is a chance for us to reflect on his sacrifice, even his life to protect others. Determinedstrong, young lawyer became the fbis first female africanamerican special agent. Steppeda mathis bravely forward, and broke down Major Barriers within the fbi at a time when even the integration of women into the bureaus agent ranks was progressing at an unacceptably slow pace. While she would remain in the fbi for two years, special agent mathis led the way and contributed immensely toward the growth of diversity and advancement in the organization, all while carrying out the mission in a highly effective way, and leading the way for other africanamerican female special agents, such as lizzie johnnie maea barry, bright, sandra chandler, jennifer love, my harrison, Deborah Evans smith, and many others who followed. Mathisspecial agent passed away in 1983, at the far too early age of 34, in an automobile accident. She will never, ever be forgotten either, and this anniversary gives us likewise the opportunity to remember and celebrate her once again for who she was, everything she accomplished, and everything she did for others, for the fbi, and for the nation. , while progress has been made, very regrettably and sadly, the discrimination, the challenges, and the struggles africanamericans have faced are reflected in the history of the fbi. In 1981, africanamerican special agents brought a lawsuit against the fbi for discrimination and discriminatory practices. That lawsuit ultimately changed the way the fbi addressed issues of unfairness not only in the agent ranks, but also for professional staff employees across the organization. And those outcomes reflect the universal and essential principle that we all live by, right things the for every individual, no matter who they are, no matter where they come from, the background treated from, should be equally with dignity and respect inside our great organization, across the bureau family, and externally. All the great people who we work with, and every Single Member of the public who we serve, always and in always. That lawsuit and the environment and culture it sought to correct and right led to muchneeded change at the fbi, and today it holds lessons that must never be forgotten, and it has made the organization stronger and better than now, and for the future. Years,e last 100 africanamerican special agents have led the investigations of many of the fbis most significant cases. Those cases are far too numerous to name here, but reflect the fact that africanamerican special agents have been at the forefront of preventing, disrupting, and investigating terrorism, Violent Crime, organized criminal groups, civil rights offenses, human trafficking, for intelligence adversaries, cybercrime, and countering the many, many other threats we face. Protecting people and keeping our people safe for the past 100 years, and currently today. Further, today, there is a cadre of africanamerican special agents working and leading at the highest levels of leadership in the fbi, and i want to name them. They are exceptional individuals, and they include special agent in charge. Turner of the houston field office. Turner of the houston field office, or most tenured and active sac when you combine the time he spent in houston with the time he spent in louisville. Lafayette morgan of the Los Angeles Field Office criminal division. Stephen woolery, Los Angeles Field Office intelligence division. Special agent in charge m. A. Memphisers of the field office. Alfonso jody noris iii of the colombia field office. Of denver, calvin chivers. Special agent in charge brian turner of the new haven field office. And special agent in charge emerson junior in the chicago field office. With regard to emerson, he was born and raised in the city of chicago. The city is proud to have him back here back there and he is the first africanamerican the great chicago field office. Each of these executives is an amazing example of where we need to be, and the broader and higherlevel representation we are working hard to achieve within the organization. To continue to combat the complex and evolving threats we face, and to fulfill our mission in the most effective ways tosible, we need to continue recruit relentlessly from all backgrounds and walks of life those who embody the core values of the fbi, which include, we know, fairness, integrity, accountability, leadership, and importantly diversity. Aggressively and proactively recruiting africanamerican special agents, as well as people of diverse backgrounds, and our field offices continue to reach out to and across a wide range of groups and institutions, including historically black colleges and universities, and communitybased organizations. Our Human Resources branch developed the Diversity Agent Recruitment Program to focus on and apply resources to continue to attract diverse candidates. And we are also working hard to make sure that every member of the fbi family feels welcomed, included, valued for who they are and what they bring to the table. They need to strive hard and reach high continually, always toward the ideal of inclusion for all. And we are working hard to provide the support needed to enable people to reach their full potential. And we need everyones help with that. Saying thatout recruitment is everyones job in the fbi. Those of us who serve currently and all of you who serve in the past served in the past, you are out there in the communities, and you know what it takes to serve in the fbi and to serve the american people. We need to be able to fully reflect the communitys we serve in order to continue to build trust and carry out our mission. I ask when you encounter strong candidates, and i know many of you are already doing this, individuals who would represent the fbi in the way you would want them to, that you please encourage them to consider the fbi as a career option. We all need to work hard, partnering together in a sustained and persistent manner, to continue to blaze the trail now and for the future foundation and echelons of the organization, because everyone who has worked here in the fbi knows there is no better people, no greater mission, and no more wonderful place to work. Any anniversary, but especially a milestone like this one, is a great opportunity to reflect on the history of the work in the evolution of our organization. It is an opportunity to think about where we need to be and who we need on our team, now and moving forward. On behalf of director ray, who theeard from earlier, director general, and myself, you have the focus and unrelenting commitment, our promise, to continue to promote, to represent, to recruit, to sponsor all People Fairly and equally, and lead the organization in the right way and in the direction, in the right direction, now and in the future, especially when it comes to diversity. So i say thank you again to the ofseum and the fbis Office Public affairs, as well as the office of diversity and inclusion, for helping us to commemorate this milestone anniversary. I want to come to close my thinking each of you for your service to the fbi and our country. Thank you for being here today, and i hope you enjoy the rest of the celebratory events over this weekend. Now, i am honored to introduce a friend of mine i have worked with him a couple of times before. Our moderator, the cbs news correspondent jeff the gaze jeff. I have to tell you a little bit about jeff before we bring him out here. Chief justicenews and Homeland Security here inndent based washington, d. C. He joined cbs news in july when he 14 and reports for all cbs news protests and platforms. Coverage ofetwork some of the most important and notable stories of the last decade. In addition, he is one of the most respected and informed voices on issues arising between and police of color and Law Enforcement. He has written extensively on police and Justice Department investigation stemming from baltimore, ferguson, and across the country, and he has authored a book on the issue, titled black and blue, inside the divide between police and the black community. He is the recipient of emmy awards and multiple emmy award nominations. He received the sigma delta chi award from the society of professional journalists, and in 2017 was a member of the cbs news team, which i earned an edward r. Murrow award. To say we have the honor and privilege of being joined by his wonderful parents, betty and joseph. Thank you for being here with us today. Now lets please extend a [applause] [laughter] mr. Abbate please extend a warm welcome to jeff and the panelists. Jeff thank you very much. Appreciate the introduction and especially mentioning my parents. That will really help at thanksgiving in a few weeks. I will get the big piece of turkey at some point. It is good to be here. Thise been preparing for the last month or so with the fbi, when they asked me to do this. And i had prepared remarks, and then i got into my goober my uber today on the way over here. I like toin an uber, put my headphones on and when my own business. The driver said, where are you going . Ok. I am going to the newseum. Why . And i said, well, i am doing this thing with the fbi. It is about black fbi agents. What . He says, what . Black fbi agents . Yes, black fbi agents. He was surprised. I was not really surprised that he was surprised. You probably are not either. It made me sort of chuckle, because looking back and i have had to do my research preparing for this there was James Wormley jones in 1919. I did not know that. He did not want to believe it, the uber driver. James wormley jones. Mentioned john glover. I get so caught up covering the fbi of today that i had not at in theked back past. When they asked me to do this, i would not be doing my job if i did not say, but are you going to talk about what the numbers are now . And they could have brushed off that question. I respect the fact they dealt with it. I was told, listen, you cant look to the future until you look back at the mistakes of the past. I appreciate that. That is where we are going to begin this conversation. That is what i wanted to be a conversation. We are going to talk to many of the legends of the past two are with us today. I said legends. John is chuckling over there. I told you that in florida, when i saw you a few weeks ago. And the legends of the future. Trailblazers because that is what i think they are. John glover began his career with the fbi as a special agent in 1966. He would rise through the bureau to become the executive assistant director for administration at fbi headquarters. From the fbi as the highest ranking africanamerican leader. Please welcome john glover. [applause] good to see you. Linda barry, the second africanamerican woman to join years, served for 28 during which she often would remain the only female africanamerican. She was a certified hostage negotiator, and a special Operations Group team leader. Please welcome linda barry. [applause] brightohnnymae mulden was also a trail blazer. She entered duty as a special agent in october of 1976, where she was assigned to the miami field office. She assisted in the investigation into the jonestown suicide massacre, and was involved in several undercover investigations. Her life and work inspired a made for television movie. Ie mae. Welcome johnn [applause] karen jordan started out with a special agent in the fbi in june of 2004. She is currently a supervisory special agent with Operation Rescue me and the endangered child alert program. She worked in the new York Field Office before transferring here to fbi headquarters. Please welcome karen. Tienne hasthe end e been with the fbi since 2005. He has investigated Violent Crime and major offenders as part of the fugitive Bank Robbery Task force, and he has worked in the major cybercrime squad. He was promoted to supervisory special agent. Please welcome hadley etienne. [applause] ok, lets talk. Start with john glover. I wanted to ask you first about the history. James wormley jones, what can you tell us about him . Dr. Glover well, i can tell you a lot about jones. Jones is an individual who is very distinguished. He was distinguished before he became an fbi agent. He actually did not become an fbi agent until he was 35 years old. The fbi had not formed then, so this was the precursor organization to the fbi. But jones attended Virginia University in richmond. Then he joined the Washington Metropolitan Police department, was a foot patrolman, moved through the ranks to motorcycle man and then to detective. He resigned from the metropolitan Police Department , thee joined the military segregated army, as it was referred to at the time in history. He became a captain, and a relatively short period of time, learning explosives and a number of things. But he led a particular charge in the Northeast Corner of france during world war i. Rousted the germans out of a stronghold they had held for four years. Underequipped. Not well trained. Soldiers. It,ilitary history records ditch by ditch, trench by trench, and rested them out. They took a lot of heavy casualties, but they fought with valor, and jones survived. He returned. In december of 1919, he joined ,he precursor to the fbi reporting directly to j edgar hoover. Jeff wasnt he the son of former slaves . Dr. Glover that is correct, yes. Hooverhy do you think chose him . Dr. Glover it is interesting i dont know how the two got together, how he became interested in the fbi. But he is the kind of guy i would look for. A fellow with that kind of previous Law Enforcement experience, that kind of distinctive military experience, that is the kind of person you are going to look for. It worked out. I dont know if hoover saw him or he saw the fbi, that they ended up working together. Jeff you know, at that time, many of the African Americans who came in James Wormley jones, he was working undercover. Dr. Glover he worked primarily undercover. He was targeted. Jeff he was what . Dr. Glover he was targeted at Marcus Garvey. Jeff he was focused on Marcus Garvey . Dr. Glover Marcus Garvey was very prominent in harlem. He had created an organization of some notoriety, which some people viewed as subversive. So in this unit in which mr. Hoover was the young attorney, on what is kind of subversive or antisubversive unit so the targeting of individuals at that time was looking for subversive activity. It was also 1919 was the rise of communism, so there were some communist movements up in new york as well. So it worked out in that way. Jeff you talk about subversives, right . Marcus garvey at that time when i was doing my research for a piece that will eventually air on cbs news about this was lar topic, hoover launched investigations into Marcus Garvey, mlk. We know that. So that is the image that a lot of people in the black community have about the fbi. Would you agree with that, john . Dr. Glover i would agree with that, yes. A lot of people see it is not only the fbi. It is Law Enforcement in general. If you look back at the long history of Law Enforcement as it impacted the africanamerican from slavery, jim crow, through the civil rights era, Law Enforcement played a role in that. Communitynamerican viewed it as negative. Jeff and yet youve joined, 1966. Dr. Glover that is correct. Jeff i saw the class photo, graduating from quantico. I was looking at the photograph, and i see that one black face, and that was you. Dr. Glover that is correct, yes. Jeff why did you join at that time, given the history of the black community in the fbi . What made you want to become an fbi agent . Dr. Glover long story. First of all, i think i was looking for Something Different to do. I was a teacher and coach in miami, florida. I wanted to expand my horizons. I started to look around for things to do. I was introduced to an fbi agent, and he gave me a pamphlet. The pamphlet was called 99 facts about the fbi. I started looking at it and i developed an interest in it. The more i researched, the more interested i became in it, and then i found out that there was ofery strong component excellent performance in the fbi. More than its negative perception in the africanamerican community. Outfit, a firstclass and i wanted to be part of the firstclass outfit. I was drawn to Law Enforcement. And teaching. The fbi is the epitome of Law Enforcement not only in the country, but in the world, and i wanted to be part of the best. Jeff linda, what about you . Im going to get my notes, but what about you . Why did you want to join . Did you look at the fbi in the same way that john has just outlined, or did you have a different view . Linda i had a different view. Jeff what was your view . Linda my view was i would never get into the fbi. Jeff why did you feel that way . Biology, working in a molecular biology lab. Jeff you were a scientist . Linda i was a scientist and you do the same experiment for three years in a row. Jeff you got bored . Linda i cant do this for a lifetime. You need ance masters and a phd to move up. That is how you get money to do research. So i decided i am not going to be a teacher, i am not going to be a scientist. Aam going to go back and get masters degree in Law Enforcement. Life is around women sisters, a mother, a grandmother, texas womens university. I wanted to be in a field where there was not a lot of women. [laughter] linda at the time, it made sense to me. [laughter] linda i know. Whatn, seriously, that was i wanted. I went to the library. I looked up all these fields, and i thought Law Enforcement sounds great. I think that is something i wanted to do. That was in 1974. I quit my job and went back to school, Washington State university, criminology, masters in criminology. But i had no experience, right . I needed to get some experience. So i took a job in idaho falls, idaho. Jeff wow. Too . Ere trailblazing there linda yeah, at a Nuclear Power plant. I needed experience. I had never had any experience in Law Enforcement. Agent anwas an exagent. Jeff really . That is interesting. He mentioned it and said what . Linda he did not mention it. He pounded me. He pounded me on a daily basis to fill out the application. He was no longer an agent, but his buddy was still an agent, and he pounded me and said, evie filled out the application . Did you get one . Did you call . Every day. After about a year, i said, tell him to send me one. It is 15 pages long, so i threw it in a door. 15 pages . No. I am not doing this. There is no way. I just figured i would never hear from the fbi. One day he came into the office and he goes you will take this day to fill out the application. So i filled it out. Jeff what do you think he saw in you that he kept pushing . His whole squad was males. Never had a female ever. White, black, no color. You are out in the desert, working at a Nuclear Power plant. Not only was he a retired agent, but everybody who worked for him was a member of his church. He was in the war. He was in charge of them not only at church, but at this Nuclear Power plant. Whatever he told them to do, they had to do it. They took their vacations and worked on the potato farm, because that is what he told them to do. Hand, would not you know, you cant tell me what to do. Im not working on a potato farm. Aint doing it, you know . Jeff wait, how did you make it through the fbi . How many years, 28 years . Linda i made it through on anger. You know . That is the only way i made it through. Yeah, my first day at the fbi academy, i am walking down the hall, got off the plane tired, worn out, and the janitor it was a lady. She looks up at me and goes, you aint going to make it. And i am going, lady, if you only knew, you know . So that was my introduction to the fbi, and the anger that builds up when somebody tells you that. Watch me. Jeff i am sure you have all heard that from someone along the way. Johnnie mae, didnt you get someone saying that to you, someone along the way . Why are you here, you are not going to make this . Johnnie mae no, no one ever told me. Jeff you didnt, really . Was it pretty smooth . Johnnie mae it was not a smooth journey. Office ining at the georgia the albany, georgia Police Department, as a leah liaison. I was dealing with everybody who had been given a gun with no training, pretty much, in my view. And i had a masters degree. I got involved on a kidnapping case with an fbi agent, his assistant. As we were working on the case, he asked if i had ever thought about being an agent. To be quite honest with you, i had absolutely no idea what an fbi agent is. I was totally in the dark. He talked to me a little bit. I got to thinking about it, and it was kind of interesting. He kept grinding me a little bit, and i was very impressed of what hetellect gave me about the fbi. I thought, you did this case really good, and i am impressed with it. I got to thinking, and the next thing i was reading up on it was this big fbi, the big world, and all these federal crimes they did. Maybe this is what i need. Leave this little georgia town and see what the big Law Enforcement is. Really, this is what happened. Put in,ked about it and did the exams, went to atlanta. They did the little fingerprint and everything. Next thing i knew, october 1970 six, in cold weather, i was headed to fbi headquarters, and went to the academy. Then i realized what i had done. [laughter] no, i realized that i had left a small southern town , and here i was in this big world, on a base, out in the boonies, and had left behind a fouryearold daughter. I thought, god, what have i done . I was too embarrassed to say i want to go back. I dont want to go back as a failure. I dont like those. And that is how i came into the fbi. Jeff interesting. So you two, you are listening to these stories. Karen, why did you get into the fbi . What attracted you to the career . Karen i fell into it. Jeff you fell into it, ok. Karen it was not something i grew up aspiring to do. I have no lawenforcement connections in my family. I actually started off as a computer person out of Goldman Sachs on wall street. I got laid off. Jeff when was this . Karen it was back in 2002, 2003 . A bunch of us got laid off. The market went down, so about 1500 of us got laid off that day. Why good friend who said, dont you join the fbi . They are looking for technology people. Jeff that seems to be the trend. Someone is coming up to you and saying, why dont you join the fbi . Morgan, the s. A. C. In los angeles, told me a week ago that the same thing happened to her. Someone approached you and said, you should do this. Karen we both applied. Unfortunately, she did not pass the background, but i did. I couldnt believe it until i got to quantico. It was a challenge than, the n, too, but it was a good challenge, something i did not believe i could get myself through. Jeff and you did. Hadley, what about you . Hadley my story is similar. I was a Computer Programmer in rochester, new york, and i wanted a new challenge. It turned out my neighbor was an fbi agent. I started talking to my always wifeife my amazing about looking for government opportunities, and he came over and said, i heard you are looking for a job in the government. He said, would you like to be an agent with the bureau . I said, what do you guys do . His reply is its the same thing. I did not grow up with knowledge of the fbi, Law Enforcement. Im first generation. He took the time to explain it to me. I said, sign me up. By gods grace, six months later, i was at the academy, checking my bags in. Just like you guys, i said, what have i got myself into . [laughter] hadley at that time, i had three kids, and i left them with my wife. [laughter] for nextt will be weeks panel. Balancing family and the fbi. That is next weeks panel at the newseum. Ok. Wifey by gods grace, my is my biggest advocate, cheerleader, and a warrior, and with the kids. Jeff is she here today . Hadley she is not. I wish she was. [applause] see it on cspan, apparently. So, john, when you hear the stories, what words of advice would you have for people who either want to join the fbi, or people who are already in and want to reach the heights that you did . Think thesewell, i are all successful people. I dont know if they need much advice from me. But what i would tell anybody, especially an africanamerican achievement,igher is to understand that there are going to be some difficulties. Understand there are going to be some obstacles. Understand that all of these things are going to be in your way, and there will be numerous ones, but you have tos day focused have to stay focused on your objective. And if you do that, you see these obstacles as the term i like to use is a statistical term, noise. They are not relevant to what it is that you are trying to do. Its noise. But you really first of all, it is not going to be easy. It is going to be difficult. It is not going to be easy. Life is tough. That, ando understand you have to prepare yourself for that. Not only academically and educationally and all, but you have got to prepare your spirit for that. You have to develop this kind of inner strength that will propel you beyond your obstacles. Jeff you and i sat down a , and thisweeks ago was for an interview for cbs news. To say to get you something critical about the fbi. It was, i felt discriminated against, it was tough, this, that, and you did not go there. You did not have any sort of accounts of somebody discriminating against you. You did not say that. Dr. Glover no, because i did not encounter those experiences. I think i was very fortunate, but i had mentors. Jeff you had mentors . Dr. Glover white mentors throughout the fbi, and every field office, and pretty much every assignment that i had, that propelled me along. Jeff how important was that . Dr. Glover that was very important. I think you need somebody, to use a sports metaphor, running interference for you. Or somebody pulling you, or somebody encouraging you. At my first office, it was kind of easy, in a sense. We discussed that, because i was working fugitive cases and car cases and all, and a former high school and College Football player, so i could handle myself in a fugitive situation. And that was observed early on, in those assignments. I second office, when i went to washington, d. C. , early on, i got involved in a speaking situation, so my special agent in charge received a nice letter from the school principal, in terms of what a great job this young guy did. Year, they said, we want to invite you, and invite him again. It was that kind of encouragement. C. , joe purvis, ultimately became the assistant director of the identification division. Number did, there were a of discriminatory complaints in the identification division, and he asked for me. He says, i want john glover to come in here to assist me in dealing with these situations. So he kind of pulled me through that, and then also was instrumental back then, there was an old system at fbi headquarters each year. The assistant director would submit a name of the special agents assigned to his always , who they division thought were capable of administrative advancement and should be assigned to the Inspection Division as an inspectors aide. My name was second on that list to go to the Inspection Division. It kind of worked out that way. Jeff linda, icu, your body you, your i see body language. Did you have the same thing . Linda no. There was always some i guess being from a small town, 10,000, southern town, raised by my mother and my grandmother, had two sisters, my father died when i was three, my mother and grandmother refused to take welfare we had gardens. We raised chickens. They scratched. I learned that you have to scratch. It does not matter what anybody around you does. As long as they are not in your way, you scratch. There is nobody going to stop me from doing what i need to do. Got in the fbi. I wanted to get out of a small town, get away from that mentality of a small town. I am going to have to scratch to do it. Raised. Just how i was you scratch for what you want. Nobody can get in your way. You have to go for it. Jeff karen, i see you shaking your head. Did you want to add something . Karen i agree with her. We all have challenges. I have myle, challenges. You have to be your own champion. To recruito have cheerleaders in your life to kind of push you, because you have moments where you feel defeated, and you have to have those cheerleaders egg you on and be your own champion. She is scratching. I am kicking. [laughter] jeff i like this. I like this. Mae . Ie what do you think . Johnnie mae let me go a little bit to what mr. Glover was saying. I think it is very important to have a mentor or someone who is in a high enough place that can pull you along. Have also important to mentor because they can help steer you, someone to go to for guidance and direction. , Mail Organization before we came in. You had nobody to go to like you, or other females. That was the problem that i experienced. But i do have to say when i started out my first office assignment, i was on a fugitive squad in miami, florida, and i was the second female in the office and the first africanamerican female there. I did have a car. The older agent there on the fugitive squad was a black male, leo mclaren. He had come in under mr. Hoover, ok . So most of his work was sitting at the desk. Most of mine was trying to beg for the car to get out and go do the investigation. And i had to run out and be back in, that type of thing. The other agents on the squad were all white males. Many days i would have to run around to get one of the talk to one of the hispanic agents, somebody else, let me use their car to go out. I learned real quickly that rings were set up so that you are going to have to push your way. You have to go find your way, your little yes to get to that next position. It just was not that easy for me. And i am hearing it from others, you know, africanamerican females. You did not have anyone there to just be there to help you out. Had to find your way. And if you pushed too hard, you were probably perceived as being a little too overbearing. He really had to walk with a cushion you really had to walk with a cushion. I did eventually, because of my arrest record with fugitives i went out a lot of times by myself and had to call back in and ask somebody to come help me, but i took the risk. My supervisor, a white male, began to accept the fact that i could handle doing things. He gave me a lot of leeway. It was not until then that i could even get a car to do anything. That, i was immediately put on the organized crime squad, and i became a supervisor. This was within 2, 3 years there in the miami office. And i was given a lot of leeway out there. I was beginning to go out and interview even meyer lansky, which agents told me organized crime have no respect for females. Mr. Lansky, i went over to fontainebleau. Tell people who he was. Johnnie mae he is purported jeff purported. Johnnie mae organized crime boss down in miami. Lansky,ansky mr. Cordially inviting him to the fontainebleau hotel, i thought they would never find my body. Went into the hotel. Jeff were you undercover . Johnnie mae i was not undercover. I had done some work, but not the way i went into his hotel. I was dressed as an agent. He had the smoking jacket on. He was just a gentleman. I am having lunch. You have to have lunch. I thought, he is going to poison me. I did not have lunch. The man had me in, but his reason was, and i will get to that she wanted to show me. He wanted to see if there was an africanamerican female agent, number one. He gave me no valuable information. That was fine. Me, that wascted all i wanted. I was an agent. I told the guys. Next thing i knew, i was a supervisor on the organized crime squad. But along the way, i have to tell you that i never had a mentor. I could not have. There was no one to help me, a black female, along the way. Eventually, the first person that really reached out and gave me a hand was and he is not here paul soames paul phillips. I dont know if you heard of him. Myself and a couple other agents would go to him, because he was kind of higher up at that time. Would say, we need to get more of this and more of this. He really came in to lend a helping hand. I got my desk in detroit as the fugitive Violent Crime the Violent Crime and the fugitive squad. The fella said, you have to put in for it. That, i woulddone not have gotten that desk. Reach do need someone to out and recognize your potential, and give you an opportunity. Sometimes all you need is just an opportunity, and you can take it from there. And that is what i think we miss sometimes, which we did not have. , was thankful to get that desk findas able to go out and the top 10 fugitives with my squad. It was wonderful. Once you get an opportunity, sometimes people blow it, but most of the time, if we get a chance, we will take it and we will do our best with it. We just need an opportunity. Jeff and hadley, you are i am not privy to what cases you are working. But you are working cyber cases. Hadley thats right. Jeff wont go any further than that. Very sensitive stuff. Are inyou feel you the fbi now. And mr. Bates yakking it up a little bit. You guys go way back. Washington field office. Do you think that do you identify with what they are saying here about having a mentor and having someone to look out for you, i guess . Hadley i definitely do. When i first entered the bureau, because of my tech background, i worked with one of the supervisors on the Violent Crime squad. They transferred me to that squad and i immediately had a mentor, officer flaherty. He is retired now. Joe was a former cop and immediately got me on the streets. You know i am a Computer Programmer. I need to learn. He got me out there. Our first case together, we arrested a subject in d. C. That was running extortion. He would get money for drug dealers, and they would be indebted to him for life to pay the interest. Working with joe, we arrested him. Years with great that squad, putting some very violent felons away. Another mentor of mine at the time, he said, we have got to get you back to computers. He transferred me to the cyber squad. They are, some of the guys that were there and cyber crimes an agent i worked with there, michael, had been on the squad for years. He knew i liked working bank robbery cases. So instead of working robberies where the guys walked in, brick and mortar, i worked Bank Robberies with computers. Guys hacking into banks and us dealing and stealing anywhere to 10 million. With that kind of insertion, the mentoring, i was able to mentor coming in male and female africanamericans. It has been great. Jeff sounds very glamorous, traveling the world. Is it that glamorous . Hadley yes, it is. [laughter] jeff people asked me that about the news. They are like, you are on tv. Right now. An uber was judgeors webster a mentor for you . Dr. Glover yes. Not directly, but certainly indirectly. Jeff indirectly . Dr. Glover i should say at a distance, but very much handson. Jeff former fbi director. Camelover jeff webster into the fbi in early 1978. , i washin two months transferred to newark, ok . So everym there promotion after that that i had in the fbi was given to me by judge webster. Sac to inspector to s. A. C milwaukee, atlanta, assistant director, executive assistant director for administration it was all judge webster. But it was not only me. There were others wayne davis, tom jones. Right now, there is this phrase of having diversity as a core value at the organization. He had it as a core value without the title. He came in and in his first interview did an early examination of what he saw as the strengths and socalled weaknesses of the fbi. Noticed what a lack of diversity there was. She indicated he was going to increase diversity within the fbi, and started doing it. Jeff and i heard that he carried around the card with the numbers. Dr. Glover he carried a three by five card around in his shirt pocket. And we had to update it each month. He had a card, and he wanted to know the number of special agents on duty, the total number. On the day he was sworn in and the day the end of the month of thelast end of the month of preceding month. So now it would be like october. He wanted to know at the end of october what was the overall agent count. What was the caucasian agent count . What was the africanamerican count . He broke that down, males, females, hispanics. He had this card. And it was not just the card. Every time he got the opportunity, he would look at it, and he would tell us. I would have to go to his Conference Room periodically and sit down and explain what we were doing in terms of applicant recruitment. Now, the numbers and the percentages increased under webster, because he put the weight, the full weight of his office, behind it. Is a paramilitary structured organization. Topdown administrative organization. So when the leadership of the on any challenge partakes on any objective as , it filters down to the rest of the organization. Jeff im going to open this up to the panel. We can all agree that having diversity is good, but what about diversity in the leadership ranks . It is one thing to get people of color, all different backgrounds, in the. But how in porton is it to have people of color in the leadership ranks . Who wants to take that . Linda . Linda very important. Jeff why do you think its important . Linda its somebody to look up to. The only thing about that is once you become an agent, after your two weeks, where everything is, what you are supposed to do, you have to go out on your own. Expectlways so dont anybody to help you. Busy and do to get what you need to do. Nobody is going to ever help you. I was on the fugitive squad. That is what my supervisor told me. Nobody is coming to help you. Dont have that in your mind. You go out and do what you know to do. We will back you up, but dont. Jeff were they saying that to other agents . Linda that was just his way, getting you to understand what you were going to be doing, get out there and do a good job of it, not expecting anybody to come and help you. I did that with my first fugitive. Arrested him. Bringing him into jail. I probably should have taken him up. [laughter] he proposed to me. Jeff the fugitive . Linda the fugitive i had just arrested proposed. [laughter] jeff so what happened . Linda i said no. [laughter] linda probably not a good idea. No, no. That is always good to have a good boss that knows you as an individual, that knows what motivates you, to know what you can handle, to know what wouldnt work for you. Thing to assign this case to that person. That is most important, to have a good supervisor. He was extremely adamant about increasing the numbers of minorities in the fbi. In fact, when i was up in the unit. Office, he created a its sole purpose we had to that andact all the electronic printed Media Outlets throughout the united states, the major ones. We would travel there. There were three of us. Travelee of us would throughout the united states, going on tv, whatever, trying to put this positive image of the fbi out to the community, letting them know about the jurisdictions, why we do the things we do. Welly they thought that invaded and caused problems. We tried to tell them we had jurisdictions and explained that to them. We went to ebony magazine. Anthat time, ebony did article on me as a black woman in the fbi. Producerst of that, came and wanted to do a movie. This gives us a lot of movement because we dont have to send you guys out all the time. Movie, het of that was able to sit down and talk to me. He said the cost of that, there were a large number of people who did apply and saw there was a place that people would want to go work. You see progress and you want to think you have a chance in that progress. Each month, we had to show what was being done out there. If you got any positive result from it. I think one of the great directors. He wanted the fbi to be representative of the community out there. Jeff thats interesting. In broadcasting, it is the same way. There are a lot of businesses, especially if you are africanamerican. You see brian gumbel on tv, maybe i should look into that. I know you were brought in by your neighbor. You had different stories, but i want to transition to what do you aspire to do in the fbi . Karen i feel like i am already aspiring to do it. I work crimes against children. That was one of the purposes of why i joined the fbi. I wanted to use my skill set to rescue kids. I think that is what i am doing. I feel that is what i am doing. I manage a program that does victim id. At this juncture in my career, this is all i want to do. It is rewarding. I get to go home and sleep every night, just knowing that i rescued a child. Right now at this juncture in my career, i enjoy what i do. I get the opportunities to go overseas, as well as work domestically with our partners in order to do that, too. It gives me great opportunity to travel, too. Jeff what do you think . I also served with a great team. I have passion for what we do. I am very happy with where i am right now. If i could take that mission overseas to help the bureau overseas, that would be great. I am very happy. Jeff since we are on the record, any particular place overseas . [laughter] jeff i am trying to help you. Where do you want to go . [laughter] jeff good, ok. We have about 13 minutes or so. I just want to start again with john. When you see the fbi today, what do you think . John when i see the fbi today, isee an organization that the premiero be Law Enforcement agency in the country. I see it as an organization, however, with challenges. But the fbi will always have challenges because as changes occur in our society, the fbi is usually on the forefront of inquiry into those areas. Activitiestate started taking place, no one wants to deal with interstate crimes in the fbi. They were given that task for statutory legislation. You seeociety evolves, the fbi out there, in cyber now. The fbi would continue to do that. The fbi would always be challenged. In that way, it would always be a great career. The fbi, in my opinion, will always struggle with diversity. Jeff will always struggle with diversity . John i think we will make progress. Jeff you are so optimistic on everything else. John i am not deterministic there, but it will always be a challenge for a number of reasons. You only have 13 minutes. [laughter] john that is a topic for another day. We can drill down into that, Start Talking about why that happened as part of the larger fbiety, but is into the being able to improve its diversity. A lot of things that are going on outside the control of the fbi. Think da, why do you i want to ask you this. Diversity ofink all kinds is important for the fbi . Linda is important for the fbi . I think it is important for Law Enforcement. There are certain areas in the criminal world where only a black person can really handle that. Only a black person can really get into certain organizations or work certain types of crimes. Black, white. You have to have everything that is represented in your society. It should be a Cross Section in your organization. How else do you function . You cant, especially in Law Enforcement. But what he was saying, there is always going to be a problem because you give up a lot as a black person. Probably as a person to be in Law Enforcement. You give up friends, you give up family, because you have to live your life in a certain way, because you are always being watched. You are the face of the organization. What they see you do is how they judge the organization. You give up a lot. You are sent to places, far away places, from your family and friends. You have to be able to do that to stay in the fbi. My first office was san diego, yay. [laughter] linda but then it was cleveland. Cleveland, ohio . [laughter] linda really, you have to be able to juggle your life. You have to be willing to do that. It is very difficult. You do give up something. But the reason most blacks are successful is because they love working Law Enforcement. They love it. But it is always going to be a challenge. Jeff johnnie mae . All,ie mae first of diversity from all aspects, coming into one organization, they all contribute to the ultimate benefit of the organization. They all bring in a valuable purpose. The more information, the more value you bring to the job, the better it is for the organization it. It is simply set. Karen i think it is important to look like the community we protect. We are all from different backgrounds, so we bring a different perspective to any thoughts and ideas and decisions made within the fbi. I think that is important. Having a broad view. The only way you have that broad view is if you bring in diversity. Also the fact that when we walk out in the street and work on cases, you want people to talk to us. It builds our investigation. We should look like them so people feel comfortable talking to me just because of who i am. With that, i think that is important to have diversity within the fbi. Jeff have you been in a meeting where you are discussing a case and someone says something and you look back at that meeting and think, i am glad i was in that meeting and i said what i said . Have you had that feeling . Karen all the time. When we go into these meetings, you always learn as well. That helps develop me so i get to know other peoples perspectives. Therehat, i dont go in with my point of view, i go in with different point of views. That fulfills me as an agent, as a person. It is important to walk into a meeting and be part of those meetings. I do International Work and mastic. You i do International Work and domestic. I think that is very important. Jeff hadley . Hadley there is not much more i can say. Everyone hit the points that need to be hit with diversity. If anything, i just want to make sure the definition of diversity is what we are looking at on the table. It is bigger than just raise. It includes vendor, culture it includes gender, culture. We will be able to make any organization of better organization. It is a different feeling when you are in a meeting when no one is in that meeting who looks like you. But the ideas and thoughts and the value you bring to that meeting would not have been if you were not there. Innovation but diversity of opinion . One thing i was talking about earlier, how the fbi evolved. Succeed,i is going to it needs diversity. It needs that in order to innovate and match the challenge that it faces. Still the highest to comeafricanamerican through the fbi . John yes. He has more firsts than anybody. Jeff you do have a lot of firsts. Interesting, there is a little nuance that is interesting. Say it is just like a distinction, a difference without a distinction. That is what it is. There has been another executive assistant director, michael mason, who came in the fbi. But the structure of the. Rganization there were three assistant directors who reported directly to the director. We now have a Deputy Director. There is another layer in their another layer in there. The answer is yes. John we talked about what i think about that. We had an africanamerican president , so we can have an africanamerican Deputy Director and director. [applause] jeff thank you very much for your time. It has been a pleasure, looking back at the history, talking about the future really. Talking with the future. Really appreciate it. Round of applause for the panelists. [applause] jeff thank you very much. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] i just want to first start by thanking jeff for moderating the panel today and for all the work you do with us here at the bureau now and in the future. Expression of appreciation for all that, we have a plaque for you. [applause] it says, resented to jeff pegue in appreciation for helping raise awareness for the contributions and service of the africanamerican special agents in the federal Bureau Investigation on their 100 in a bursary. On their 100th anniversary. Jeff very nice, thank you. [applause] for the panelists, dr. Glover, thank you for everything you have done. You are amazing. [applause] miss linda berry, thank you as well. [applause] linda thank you, appreciate it. Mae bright. Johnnie mae ok, thank you. [applause] karen jurden. [applause] hadley etienne. [applause] thank you again for hosting the event. Thank you. [applause] thank you all for joining us. This was a really special afternoon. Thank you, jeff, for wonderful moderation, and thank you all for joining us. If you want to see the fbi exhibit, we. If you want to see the fbi exhibit, we will be open until the end of the year. 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