Part in a conversation on bipartisanship, politics and public part to see. Wake Forest University and wins them sale and North Carolina is the host of this event. Good evening and welcome to all of you and welcome to senators burr and senator warner. Senators, both of you have had very long careers in Public Service. I know that you were in the house in 1994 and senator warner, 1989 worked with doug wild or before becoming governor yourself of virginia. What inspired your career in Public Service . What would you say to young people today who would like to pursue a career in Public Service . laughs i like to think that i was i actually am a little bit older than richard laughs he colors his hair. Not anymore. At least i have here i like to think i was old enough to get touched by the idealism of the sixties, not old enough to be jaded by it. I have grown up in the midwest in indiana, illinois, connecticut and worked for the same company for 35 years. And i was the first my family to graduate from college. And somehow, my parents werent political, i had boy scouts and church and community pizza, but not political. Somehow i always had the and there was a time when i went off and did business and into college and law school, during college and law school, but one of the things is for all the frustrations in politics, when you actually get stuff done, its becoming rarer and rarer, at least in our day jobs, the ability to affect peoples lives in an extraordinarily positive way, and we need it more than ever now. You know, many people in this room you my father and mother. Those who grew up in the community. And they instilled in me that there is a time to complain, and when thats over, you need to sign up or shut up. I remember the day i told my wife i was going to run for congress. Im still reminded of it 25 years later laughs . You know, the reality is weve all got to pick where wed like to make an impact. Mark and i serve in an incredible, important place in an incredible, challenging time. And i think we have talked about it. 20 years from now somebody will look at how we conducted the intelligence committee. How he interacted with 70 intelligence agencies. And they will look at the precedent we set and hopefully they will follow that. It just so happens we do it at a time when there is a completely different approach on the house side. The bar has been set pretty low. But the obvious thing is, you cant do it if we dont trust each other. Now, we dont agree on everything and when we dont agree, we get together and we hammered that out. If, in fact its a tie, chairman still gets to win. But to my knowledge we have never exercised that. And the reality is that i think the institution and certainly the committee has a responsibility and they are better off because we do it. You mentioned trust. How do you engender that trust between the two of you . A few glasses of wine along the way. laughs i think that we i got to the senate, i had never been a legislator. The business side, you are measured by what you get done, i had an opportunity to be governor. I got to the senate and i had to throttle back. Throttle back a few times, you realize you are not going to get everything done right away. There was richard and a good friend of richards, sacks b chandlers, former senator from georgia. We became good friends and we didnt agree on everything but i think at the end of the day, the secret sauce that is missing from too much of our politics is eighth trust and that trust means that sometimes you have to be willing to do what you think is right, even if your team doesnt agree with it and until you can show your willingness to stand up for something you believe in, and front frankly your team doesnt agree with, you dont fully earn that trust and i think richard and i have hand tried to earn that with each other. We gave each other plenty of grief along the way, we travel, we have traveled on some of these times around the world. But it starts with a personal relationship and a recognition that the friendship and and relationship is more important than short term partisan points. He doesnt know what its like to subpoena the president s son. But he did turn to me and say, you are going to do what . And the fact is that doing things like that, is not something you expect to do when you take this job. But its part of the process that he and i committed to at the beginning which is, we are going to follow the facts. And if you cant talk to everybody that might be connected, how in the world can you determine whats factual . I think we will probably talk later on about social media and about the world we are in now. But im asked, what am i scared about . Im scared about what i dont know. What i dont understand. And what you see on the National Media is not indicative of the relationships we have in washington. Mark and i have a good relationship, and you would believe that 98 other people dont. And the truth is, if that was the case we would get nothing done. Because the senate rules allow one person to stop anything at any time. We do know which guys are the designated jerks on both sides. And there would be, in any kind of poll i was asked earlier by susan, how do you get things done . You identify the people that you have a common interest with. You may disagree with them with 60 of the things, but 40 you will find agreement on. If its health care, im doing bob casey. It used to be, i was doing deals with ten ted kennedy and. Why . Because we believed in the same things on those issues. But, also we were looking for somebody who covers the other ones back. I think, in the case of the intelligence committee, we do an extremely good job of communicating with each other and covering our backs with our members even on the committee when we are taking a tough position. But also, give him appropriate credit. It would have been so much easier in todays world for richard just to say, im going to go with the flow as opposed to where we started. Based on the russia stuff where we said, no, we are going to follow the facts wherever they go. And one of the things that i am more proud of is the folks that we had do most of the investigation, the folks they talked to didnt realize which ones were democrats, which one where republicans in terms of staff. There have been a host of other areas, and dragging him into the 21st century on technology stuff. He has a flip phone on technology, he recognize that in many ways there is no committee of technology in the senate. You speak to this better than i have, we have kind of carved out that area on a whole host of issues. I made this comment at the president s house earlier, its not liberal, conservative, red and blue or future past. This is a guy willing to grapple with those future past issues. Really important. You painted a rosy picture of washington, but you have 2015 study of millennials, harvard study of millennials, 74 express distrust in the governments and there was a more recent gallop poll, americans approval of congress remain at 20 , this is from 2019. Americas approval remain at 20 for the second consecutive month for congress. And this having declined after two years. So, is washington you said washington is not broken, but the statistics suggest otherwise. What can we do to restore faith in our government and processes . Look at the last 40 years. The majority of america, they get their news as an alert on their phone. Look at the alerts you get at 8 00 in the morning. Look at the alert at 8 00 at night, see if its different. The likelihood, it is. Maybe we should be talking to the journalists in the class about the standards of journalism where, historically, they came out and you had to have two sources, one of them had to be a name. Every source today is anonymous, it doesnt matter whether its right or left, its an anonymous source. Imagine if we had to operate in a world where everybody was anonymous. We have interviewed over 200 people in the russia investigation. There maybe 13 that you know who we interviewed because they came out publicly or there was some acknowledgment of the subpoena. There were 180 plus people that you will never read about, hopefully, that came in and that we interviewed because we do do things behind closed doors. We are not ashamed of that. We think america is safer because we do our business behind closed doors. Our members dont talk about it, but ill tell you as a vice chairman and the chairman, our biggest challenge from this is over, its to get to when our members dont talk to the press. We do our business which is oversight over 70 agencies so mark and i can look at you and absolutely assure you that everything we do lives within the letter of the law or the order of the president. If, in fact, we breach the confidence that we have with 17 intelligence agencies, we are not going to get the information from them that we need to do correct oversight. He would like to be in the press every day. laughs the fact is, thats not where our committee operates and its certainly not where we gain the trust of the people that we actually do the oversight on. I would first of all say, some of those statistics in terms of congressman we have earned it. 20 . As a matter of fact, 9 get something. Thats relative. I think theres these inherent contradictions, whether its 9 or 20 . Yet we still see reelection rates on individual members that topped 75 into the last couple cycles. Its easy to hate congress but love your congressman. Number one. Number two, i do think an institutional problem that we have at this point is we have driven too much power in both the house or the senate to the respective leaders, majority leader, minority leader, speaker and when you dont legislate most of the year and you wait until these big hairy balls of mass that happens at the end of the year, whether its budget wise, tax policy wise, that is not a rational way to do this. The largest institution in the u. S. Government. Number three, i think that we too often, and i think there was less of this when there were lots of separate pieces of power rather than power going through a majority leader, minority leader. It doesnt matter which team, and that he or she raises the money and you have to be, first and foremost loyal to your team more than loyal to your country. Which is a huge flaw. But i spent longer in business than i did in politics. The biggest difference in business, you get measured by what you get done. And many people i work with in politics, they can tell you and i work with in the congress they can tell you what theyve been against most of their life but really what they are for. And unless and until we all start to hire people who are willing to get to yes and even if that yes it may not be it geologically perfect, we are going to continue to have those. And i dont think that we can continue, and we have a unique relationship in the realm of intelligence oversight, we have a little more freedom to get things done and the things we get done dont always necessarily appear in the press but i do think there is a huge problem in a world thats moving as quickly as our world is moving and you mentioned 65 americans get some or all of their news from facebook news. That has no i did tour cool regulator at all. If we dont show that we can get to yes on certain minerals, and millennials and i say this as someone who does love the press, i know you want to ship throw a shoe at the tv when the news comes on, i feel the same way and im inside the tv. laughs if you tune out and say to hell with all of it, all you are doing is turning the keys over to what i call the wing nuts in either political party. And i think there are a host of issues around technology that may be able to be real formulated, there might be certain areas when it comes to business, economic incentives that are not relitigating health care and education, everyone has their established position. Maybe going bigger is actually easier to get common agreement. On certain areas we ought to find where we can put some points on the board so that even if its not the worlds biggest issue, the congress and the government can say, we have actually fixed that and we are going to move on to something else. And i think there are a host of issues we could get into tonight where we can do that. I want to ask you, you both have mentioned now social media, and i know you both feel strongly about responsible use of social media currently. Social media is playing a really big role in our political discourse. Are you concerned about this role that social media is playing . We probably differ a little bit on our approach. Listen, this is a valuable platform for the American People to communicate. From a committee standpoint, what we would like to see is a collaboration with government. Wed like to see a willingness to participate on those issues that deal with National Security or election security. And i might say, if it hadnt been for what we uncovered over two years, we might have had a big problem in 2018. We didnt because we had a level of cooperation and collaboration between social media companies. Not all with the federal government and we were able to put together an architecture that made it through the 18 election without incident. Some of it was a policy change on the part of the administration, brushing people off the plate. 20 is going to be a much more challenging thing. We are fairly confident right now, we can expand this collaborative agreement. I think mark has got some different thoughts as it relates to regulating the platforms, but you have to understand that when we saw social media used to create societal chaos in the United States, there was no legislative remedy for this. Because they are under a First Amendment issue. So we could have rushed out and said, we are going to regulate this and it might have made a big splash. But the two of us realized, we could do that, it will get overturned in the Supreme Court. They will say they are First Amendment protection. So its better in this case, and this may be the model in the future, how government, private sector, academia collaborate together for the good of the country. And thats the theme that we are going out with. I agree and i disagree. I mean, i think that weve got, i say this my background was in technology, i was a Venture Capitalist. I was lucky enough to get in the Wireless Industry in the eighties. I think we became totally infatuated with these platforms and we became way over the top techno optimists. We had a traditional approach, the Republican Party said business, innovation, entrepreneurship. There are the democrats under obama that fell in love with the fact that google and facebook said they are going to be good companies. And i think they didnt even realize the power. And we were completely caught off guard as a government how the dark underbelly of social media could really get us to hate each other, get us on each others throats to, be manipulated by outside forces in ways that i think everybody fully understood. And it will still, frankly, blow your mind. So, where i would respectfully, partially disagree with richard, i am not 100 sure that these platforms and their First Amendment rights, the recent why these companies have no responsibility they have the same responsibilities that a Media Company has in the late 90s we set up rules for social media, we basically said lets consider these companies as dumb pipes or telecoms companies. And maybe that made sense in the late 90s. But 65 of americans get their news from facebook and google, maybe we should be thinking that what was given them an exemption called section 230 exemptions, maybe it needs to be rethought. We already said you cant do child pornography, you cant do sex trafficking, you cant do bombing. Other countries the, uk and australia are starting to look at it. I have to get my spiel in maybe we ought to have a discussion that says, inaudible if you actually had to own your content that you posted on facebook and put your real identity next to that, that might decrease. Countries like estonia have seen so much outside intervention that the only way you get on the internet in on social media in estonia as if you validate who you are. That might work in america, but i think there are things where some of my folks on the democratic side are on break i dont want to simply turn the keys over to large chinese Platform Companies, but i do think and i will take that off the table i do think we have to know what data is collected on us and what its worth. I think we ought to know. If we get tired of facebook, we ought to be able to easily move all of our data from facebook, including our cat videos, to a new site easily. Data portability and still be able to talk to people and remain on facebook. There are pro competition things around transparency, around portability, around certain rules of the road and i think there would be broad bipartisan success in each piece of legislation ive got out there. I think there are bipartisan, and i think the Platform Companies are starting to realize that they are kind of playing an inefficient congress. Its going to come back and bite them because one america doesnt meet the standards, we have not given that leadership to states like california, nevada and others and weve seen the europeans move on privacy. Countries like the uk and australia move on content. And all weve done is set what was the ceiling will be the new floor when we do this. And i think, again, this is an area where i think there is a lot of Common Ground and i agree with richard in the sense that we shouldnt have rushed in because we wouldve screwed up if we brushed it too quickly. The only thing i was going to add to it is we have no jurisdiction on the intelligence committee. Everything i just talked about laughs well, thank goodness. Thats the conundrum. We talked privately about the fact that inaudible the committee of technology of congress, we are the only ones that on a daily basis go to the intelligence that tells us what everybody else is doing and the committees that have the right telecoms policies in get involved in defense issues. They dont have what we have. They cant look at it. And its very challenging. I will tell you its the architecture of color, minutes not conducive to the 24 century. And you might look at academia and the challenge is conducive to the 24 century. What we generate now is the output for the Economic Opportunities that are there. Government is never going to be under its current structure the institution that is ahead technologically because we just dont allow technology to move in realtime. I have to give you credit, this is an area where, whether its the architecture of our satellite overhead or an area where we are up to our eyeballs in next generation telecoms. Its called 5g, the equivalent of moving to radio to television, from 40 to 5g in all of the things we call the internet of things. He has taken a really incredibly dug in deep, and we are, because we get a chance to see this from where a lot of the Cutting Edge Research is being done which comes out of the d. O. D. World in the intel world. And i think we have learned some credibility from our colleagues, that if we come up with some ideas, and some stay tuned some of these areas are going to pose economic insecurity challenges beyond anything we have imagined in the last 50 or 60 years. But i think we will have some things to say about it. I was just saying, thank goodness that your committee does not have jurisdiction on that. Because there is broad bipartisan consensus that you cannot read cat 50 owes inaudible laughs moving on to thinking about the work of the committee and senator burr served as a chair of the committee on intelligence, and warner, the vice chair. On october 8th, your committee issued a report entitled russians and social media. And i will read a little bit about what you said in your statement. Senator burr, you say that russia is waging information war for your campaign against the u. S. It didnt start indigent and with the 2016 election. Senator warner, in your statement you note that now with the 2020 election on the horizon, there is no doubt that that actors continue to try to weaponize the scale in research of social media platforms to erode Public Confidence and foster chaos. And actually, senator warner, you go on to say that the Technology Russians are using our only becoming more sophisticated. So, what are the threats wet threats to foreign powers pose to our democracy . And you talk a little bit about what we can do to protect our country, but say more about how we can just briefly, we have been on this time team a few times. One of the reasons why, not just russia, iran, china, north korea we are spending 750 billion bucks on defense. Russia spends 70. In most areas we are way ahead, but if you take cyber or misinformation, disinformation, china and russia are nearly our peers. In fact, i fear that we may be and i say this in a state like North Carolina and virginia where we have Huge Investment in our military that we buy way too much 20th century stuff in a world we are conflict in the 20th century it will be more driven in misinformation. And one of the reasons we know russia and others will be back, if you add up all of the forces in our election inaudible the french president ial elections, you had that altogether, its less than the cost of one airplane. This is both cheap and enormously effective, and they come at us in a way which has always been our strength, our openness. So richard made the comment and kudos to the Trump Administration on this, under both bush and obama we were always reluctant to pushback. We have been willing to pushback which i think its helpful. But, 2016 was kind of first generation. The next generation of technology is whats called inaudible deepfake. It will look like richard burr, it will sound like richard burr, it will not be his face or body. Lord knows what that would look like laughs if you watched madam secretary last night, they did a deep fake video of madam secretary. And this is a challenge, has been all over this, im not sure that we have a mechanism in place thats going to distinguish that and broadcast it. We are still trying to figure out how legitimately we make note of campaigns or candidates that are a target because we have this rich history in this country. That the fbi is the notification note and that may not be consistent with what we are up against because of the way things have to funnel down, from a timing standpoint, and we are under a restructuring of that right now to where we think that campaigns are going to be notified to at least the activities that we have seen up to date. When you get into deepfakes, if that happens, and we expect it will, this is a whole new lead. Weve got mechanisms in place that and we just dont know if they work. I think where you will see things like deepfakes, may not even be initially politics but just because somebody looks like chair, or for that matter, Mark Zuckerberg and might be poetic justice and suddenly Say Something it will have huge market affects. I think its remarkable that we have not seen these tools already been used to manipulate markets. I will tell you we are blessed with the fact that they targeted elections and not the economy. So far. So, in order to shift gears from thinking about we are not invited back to many places laughs laughs i think a little bit about whats happening domestically in our country, and our country is quite full of unrest right now, in racial and economic lines. President trump won just 8 of the black vote in 2016 and 81 of African American voters disapproved of his job as president. But the gop has historically had problems diversifying the party. But senator warner, a lot of folks would say that the Democratic Party across racial minorities during election season and once in office minorities are loath to see results as soon as someone is elected. What can both parties do better represent the interests of all americans . Well, i think things are actually i have a good news story and a bad news story. The good news story, you may have read, we just had major state elections in virginia. All over the state, loud and county, which is right outside of d. C. , 400,000 folks. Out of suburbs. I came to a group of candidates, all the democratic board of supervisors and local boards. It was pretty amazing. I was the only old white guy in only two white guys in the group of 30. Suddenly the candidates looked like the community and hope to represent. In many of those folks, where then successful election night. That is the good inside. That insight is the son he who believes in economic environment, has to be done in a broadway and weve got attention right now were 90 percent of all Venture Capitalist to ghost white guys and a hundred percent or 75 percent is white guys mostly three states that including virginia and North Carolina. But 10 percent Venture Capitalism combined, to africanamericans and latinos. This just a bad economic of our country. I would argue that for the most part Neither Political Party has an economic theory to carry the case based in the 21st century. And i say what has been missing is in a say this go to particular folks of color to get the short end of the stick where it and i say we would recognize it. He will not going to work at the same top 35 years that we were dented. But have a system says that no matter what kind of work you get, those benefits to be portable. And move from job to job. Even more radical idea than what britney is talking about, lets actually make it an investment in human capital, stacked lies in the county weiss, as valuable as the investment in research and development. Right now you spend 5000 in robot and he is the stacked credit and the robot is an asset you put on your Balance Sheet is to know the people you dont get the same stacked benefits. In some of the stuff thats happening in the business, theyre starting to say that maybe we ought to and we need to make her name. Again the business guy longer than a politician. I say the thing that could destroy capitalism would be this enormous focus on shortterm profits for the longterm value of the relationship. And the live Business Community is starting to get that. We had a move towards a more staple capitalism says you still need to make her name for shareholders to consider your employees others. I say that was the capitalism post World War Two that to four people out of poverty did amy of the system. But its gotta be in, a sense of, some of these incentives need to be redesigned. I think if we do that, he has never given me this long to get that whole spill out laughs you are so polite i will stop right there because hes going to come back. I think we have to shift some of the incentives that make it work so that people feel, i fear that if they dont feel like working hard and playing by the rules is going to get them a chance, maybe thought was a good mantra in the 90s but there are a heck of a lot of americans, working people of color, people of all backgrounds that are working harder than ever and playing by the rules and not getting it for shake. I wont disagree with him that not everybody is getting a fair shake. But i will say this. African american unemployment is the lowest its been since its been recorded. Latino, same thing. The economy is humming 3. 6 of the American People are unemployed. These are numbers that are nobody ever dreamed we could get to. Does it work for everybody . No. And the challenge is how we take what has worked and expand that out, as mark alluded to the fact, lets turn into ceos and businesses and say, hey, you have more full responsibility than just draw bottom line in the end of a quarter in the end of a year. From a political standpoint, mark should and does in virginia, i will turn to kentucky. We lost the governors race there in 13 candidate one as well as an African American who won the attorney general spot in kentucky for the first time in history of kentucky. Republicans swept the ballot in kentucky with the exception of a governor, and you have to look at that and say, what do you read out of that . They hated the governor. laughs lets be honest. They just didnt like the governor. So, i think there are people out there that are actually benefiting from the economic models but not everybody is doing that, and rather than say this is the wrong model, how do we tweak it so more people benefit from . That doesnt require just the act of congress, it means the private sector has to engage in this, as mark knows we believe that the model in the future is not the federal government being just a Venture Capital for academia or the private sector handing over a check and they do this, heres money we will invest in this. Its an active participant. Its embedding federal employees into ventures we are doing, we did a venture to an half years ago at North Carolina state to the nsa where we built a skit, this is public knowledge, 75 million, we put 26 nsa employees in the skip, we invited them in their those employees and with mathematicians and engineers to write a specific algorithm to swift big data. The story started there but did not in there. What we saw after that, a knock at the door in 17 other federal agencies dod being one and energy being another. Then we saw them knock on the door and the private sector saying we want to put people in this model and to date they have provided 30 35 solutions for the federal government. In addition to the algorithm they are still trained to write, when he had a problem in syria word recreational drones were dropping explosives and he saw that as the number one threat to his troops, he did not go to darpa or the dod and said find a solution, he knew the arctic architects cannot produce it. He went to the lab and said find me a solution in 90 days that a solution in syria completely eliminated the risk of recreational drugs. Advocate copy for virginia. We cannot take that example and exercise where we make safe every commercial airport in america. Because we cannot Deploy Technology even though we have it. One other thing that we are wrestling with right now we both have barely been obsessed about the challenges from china, china is a great nation, a great history but what president xi has done the last four or five years in terms of recent consolidation with the commonest party but we may be dealing with a china that will propose an economic threat unlike anything weve ever faced in her lifetime were china has laid out on the 2025 document, the technology they hope to dominate and we have all gone up and just assume it wasnt invented in america even if it was somewhere in the west we still set the rules, china now sets the rules in them a National Champion and as good as technology and no market restraints because they are willing to fund that have any price point and unlimited financing that we have a different economic model that the old notion of what will that the market sorted out they not be the solution. And to give credit on this, we really dug in to the questions around always in a lot more chapters, there is series of ideas that we may be laying out that are going to be this is a lot different than the challenges we face. Dont leave the night believing america has lost an innovative edge. We are still the best innovator in the world, we dont deploy really well but we integrate extremely well. Now we just have to figure out the architects we made for that to flow over to deployment and if we do that within the Intelligence Community because it goes the rest and we understand it. We cannot do it through the department of defense because we dont have the capabilities to change architecture or the whole of government. We have specifically asked the question of a Current College student and law students as well. Into give you an idea of whats on their mind and talk about impeachment. Many people in view the impeachment process or the possibility into impeachment is an important check of our democracy and just to give you an idea of whats on their mind, to talk about impeachment. A lot of people you the impeachment process, or at least the possibility of impeachment as an important check on our democracy, some would say republicans are political, and the truth. What say you . I have been through impeachment. Nobody wins. Period, and of sentence. No party wants, American People dont when. The stage is set they will go down something. But listen weve traveled the world, we go to every vacation spot you always wanted to go, its usually hot, sandy and not fun. The one thing that we are struck with is everywhere else in the world is coalition government, a special election where the leadership could be gone in 90 days. Weve had four prime ministers in the uk and three in the last four years. How do you set an economic policy, how do you do anything when you leadership the changes like that. The great thing about america, we know how long the president , senator and congressman will be short of death or impeachment. The bar for impeachment was instream lehigh. I would only say to you, the test we are going to have and i think will be presented, doesnt reach the level of removal from office . And of heard a lot of people say this president says outrageous things. There are some outrageous things released before his last election. If remember his conversation with billy bush. That did not raise to the threshold the people thought he was unqualified to be president. Im not going to make a statement about what the outcome is because the likelihood he and i are gonna be doors and let me tell you what that means. It means that they would take it up we go into session 60s a week from 1230 until 630 and we cant say anything and the prosecutor in the president s lawyers and Defense Attorneys have should out with the chief justice of the Supreme Court comes in and rolls, we basically hear the case and then we have to come to a verdict. That will probably be six or eight weeksah of process. And at the end of the day, will there be more than what the American People know . I dont know. Maybe we will learn something as this goes public tomorrow, but everything has been public up to this point. And i would say the biggest distinction between the house and the senate is, we have gone for two and a half years through a Russian Investigation and until you read a report, you really dont know what we are going to say. Thats intentional. Its intentional because we want to protect the integrity of the committee that we have been asked to be in charge of. We are stewards of it as long as were there. The precedent that we set is going to be picked up by somebody 20 years down the road. I would simply add, i wish we werent where we are at. I wish we are not we are at. But i think it is incumbent. I think we are all going to be making judgments. You will all be making a judgment to. I think its extraordinarily important as public, partisan, this proceeding goes on, and i will hope and pray on the point that richard just said we need to take a deep breath and take a step back and recognize we have a constitutional responsibility. This is as serious as it gets in our form of government. And it needs to be treated with that level of seriousness. What upsets me is the men and women i work with, on either team who are jumping to conclusions either saying, i have already made by a decision that he is guilty or not, lets let this play out but we should be doing it with a sense of sobriety and seriousness that it warrants. I fast last question of the evening. What are you listening to these days . Kendrick lamar, katie perry . My kids make fun of the fact that my music taste ended in the late sixties, i hind of have bob dylan, motown and peter paul in mary. And it does not change much. You dont have a flip phone he said you have a flip phone. You can tell the guy that flies on too many airplanes. I dont know how to shut the thing off laughs let me just make one last point. Sure. Thank you for having me, thank you for having me back. Richard made the comment, giving the last word to chair, not only have we not lost the ability to integrate, i still wouldnt trade our position with anybody else in the world. Its never been a good bet to bet against america. And i would argue at the National Level we have a lot of dysfunction. For every bit of dysfunction, at the state level or the local level or the university level, there are still great things happening. And there are a lot more of us that actually like each other, get along we dont agree on anything everything, but lord knows there are people that are still trying every day to take what is incredibly, we are blessed to be as americans. Take advantage of these opportunities. Please, please, please do not lose faith. Please, i dont care what party you support, to not opt out and hire rational people. Im going to end on the importance of today. Tonight there are a lot of men and women serving in this country in places they didnt choose. They are part of our military, the virginia command is the single most important. Theyre challenged, they leave the military, they take the jean money and they come to wake forest and they go to chapel hill or state and they are a little bit dysfunctional to start with because they are used to waking up and being told what to do, what time to do it. In the institutions that have figure that out, put somebody in charge of that, generate some wonderful people out of their institutions. But mark and i have the good fortune to meet a lot of these people in the war zones, to actually go into iraq and afghanistan and syria, to fly with them. To have them take care of us, keep us safe, and to date they are there for a reason. They are there to make sure that america is protected. And they dont ask they dont watch the media they dont have the differences that we do as a society because they signed up to do a job and they do it. And although mark and i might have different views on certain things, we are also in an important role. Chair and vice chair of the intelligence committee. We have a job to do, and we try not to get lost in the debate thats happening between republicans and democrats about impeachment. We are going to have to deal with that at some point. But we cant neglect the responsibility that we have been given and the responsibility is to you, the American People, that will conduct ourselves in a fashion that makes it proud and effective and at the end of the day, thats all that matters. I think the two of us are in perfect, so theres no hope for the 533. But, i was asked this afternoon, how will we solve the problem that we have in all challenges the same way as the students. It is with you, not with us. Its the American People. If youre intolerant and you cant find the 20 with the person next to you that you agree with and its enough to make you shut up and go away we will not solve this problem. There is not an issue in washington that i can think of except for president ial nominee work can be 100 because there is always going to be a rand paul or bernie, i shouldnt pick bernie hes a president ial candidate. But there will be somebody that objects the reality is, walking away with 80 of what you wanted is good for the making people versus to take nothing because you could not get 100 and the reality is we gotta get back in the mode and part is a generational change that we have seen. Ive been up there a little bit longer than mark and ive seen next year will be 18, that is unheardof after 15 years of the United States senate. If your opponent drop it. It is happening, the American People are doing it at the ballot box and thats what should happen. But when you lose individuals and have people retire because theyre frustrated and quality individuals, the American People lose. They really do. And with my job outside of the committee is finding other people on the other side of the aisle that we can work with to past things. The last thing ill say, we both believe the same thing. If we cannot see the human face behind what we are doing we dont spend any time on it. Because thats only true motive that will get you through the process if you can actually see the person affected by the decisions that we make. Thank you very much for being here. applause theyre rampant money running from d. C. And restoring our democracy. I want them to focus more on foreign policy. Id like to really hear about cutting back the military, going after the military Industrial Complex because i really think that something would benefit our region, because we have a lot of people that are forced into the military and might never come back home. Id also think that we need to cut spending in the military, its up to almost a trillion dollars a year and i also think it would help the Immigration Crisis because i think we need to stop the imperialist activities of overthrowing right wing of peoples in Central America and replacing them with rightwing dictators that caused the migrant crisis. Voices from the road on c span. 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