Test. Test. Test. Test. Test. Test. We have really good arms in aa and aaa. I agree we need to work on the supply chain. President trump signed an executive order on may 15th of this year to declare it a National Emergency to supply to protect our Domestic Communications technology and that will soon be followed by binding regulations later this year. I think we 100 agree with the idea of virtualization will be very important to allow the breakup of the propriety lockins that many providers have today. It could be very competitive with regard to some of the current providers. On the mid band point, under the tmobile sprint merger, theyre required to cover 97 of the u. S. Population and six years cover 99 of the u. S. Population. Theyre going to proceed on the 3. 5 gigahertz midband spectrum next summer. But the millimeter wave is going to be so important who are going to require throughput. Thats the kind of beauty of that technology, it doesnt go as far, but it has the greatest amount of Data Transmission available. By the end of this fall were going to have a plan to move forward on the c band which is also mid band. So we certainly need to keep moving forward with this, but we have sufficient plans to ensure that we have mid band available in the blend of low band, mid band and highband spectrum that we need. Do these ideas find favor with you . We also represent the administration at the fcc proceedings and we the administration believes that you need low, mid, and high band in order to be most effective with the 5g deployment. We have a report due to Congress Next year. As secretary strayer mentioned, we are theres a auction next june which is bid band and one this december on high band. We are hitting those important notes. Also mentioned supply chain, giving the secretary of commerce the enermergency authorities. So we are currently putting together the regulations on that as well and were all in agreement that softwaredefined networks is going to be a game changer for us. Thanks. And just do you agree with anything that she said . I agree with everything she said, supply chain, security, as well as securing the internet of things. Thanks. All of us could tell you stories about how some of our students, our schools, our businesses are struggling in rural parts of our states. We could all tell you stories for lack of access to the internet and i would ask of you, if you would, having said that, what is the commission . You talked about this a little bit already, what is the commission doing to ensure the internet is accessible to all communities and 5g is not another advancement that leaves the Rural Communities even farther behind. We need to do more. We have a Digital Divide in this country. We have 12 million kids who cant do their homework because they dont have some of them arent complaining. Its a window into this challenge we have. We got to fix it. I think we would start with better mapping. I know that senator peters has a bill just on this subject. Right now fcc maps overstate where broad band is and is not in this country. Go to every Rural Community and theyll tell you, they dont have service. Were never going to know where to share our resources if we dont get the maps right. What other support can Government Agencies provide to help advance Internet Access . I think by refocusing now on midband spectrum, we could make a meaningful difference in 5g. It requires fewer towers. Its more economic to deploy in Rural Communities and if we want Rural America to see 5g, we have to focus on that sooner rather than later. Thanks. Mr. Chairman, albert einsteins wife, she was asked if she understood her husbands theory of relatively, and she said i understand the words, but not the sentences. And i want to say a hearing is helpful to me in understanding the sentences too. Thank you all. Thank you for having this hearing. I apologize, i had another commitment so i didnt get to hear all the testimony. But i did have a chance to review it, and to me this is about our competitiveness as a country and we have all the ingredients for a major problem here. One is the importance of 5g. The other is a china that i would say has become almost a Techno National country. This includes subsidies, but it also includes tech transfer and all tenants driving companies out of business and at the same time we have a loss of production here of 5g hardware and you talked a lot about the supply chain this afternoon this morning and i think thats part of the issue here. So in terms of being a driver for 21st century competitiveness, 5g seems to me is very worrisome. We started an Artificial Intelligence caucus in the congress. Were trying to avoid getting a decade behind on Artificial Intelligence. I think we have on 5g. This hearing is timely and important. Commissioner, i was listening to some of your responses, and by the way, i totally agree with you on the maps. In rural iowa we have some areas under the fcc map are said to have broad band capability and they do not. Certainly not for the school children, but also not for a lot of our small businesses. They are being told its going to be a long time and a big expense. On the issue of Chinese Technology being at the center of the 5g future, i think we cant concede that. We have to figure out how to deal with that. There are some nonchinese 5g hardware providers im told, but theres no provider of that hardware in the United States, is that correct . Thats correct. What policies do you believe we should adopt to promote the reshoring of this production . And do you believe the United States can rely on some of these nonchinese suppliers as an alternative . Thank you for the question. First im confident that were going to figure a way to make sure that the United States succeeds. But heres some important data points at the turn of the millennium, there are 13 big Network Providers around the world. By the time the 4g revolution started, there are seven. Now we have three or four and i think we have to be honest about the fact that were allowing consolidation to take place and by doing that, were reducing the number of providers that equipment manufacturers to sell to. Thats a problem. So i think our way out is to instead focus on where were best which involves software and so what we need to do now is what youve heard from some of my colleagues is we have to look at the Radio Access Network. That would mean using off the shelf hardware, but its intelligence would come from u. S. Sources and software. And i think thats where we need to focus our energies and i would like to see the fcc develop some test beds and policies to encourage that to happen. Can that be done with the current consolidation or are these supply chains limited because of the fewer buyers, customers. I think weve harmed ourselves with the current state of consolidation. Under these circumstances, what we have to do now is go to what we do best is software. Let me touch quickly on standards. This is a topic that may or may not have come up here today. Probably not because it seems a little little, i have raised this issue before because i think it relates to whats happening on the international front. China has increased their membership in these bodies substantially. We dont. It doesnt mean that china is going to hijack all of these bodies, but it does mean that your interests are not going to be well represented unless we put more emphasis on it. Secretary strayer, since you used to work for this committee and also the Foreign Relations committee, well focus on you on this one. In general, what do you believe the government can do to Incentive Participation in their bodies and specifically do you believe that by making it easier to grant visas for foreign individuals to come to this country that we could have more of these standards, conferences in the United States because we dont typically have them here anymore and can we incentivize more of these conferences to be happening here and get more u. S. Involvement . Thanks for that question and i want to break up the standards making bodies between those that are held by governments. We have more than 120 u. S. Government officials and private sector delegates representing us in egypt. Were taking aggressive posture in all of these standards making bodies. We are vigilant about whats going on there. We have noticed that the chinese have come in in Larger Forces there. We think theres been a pretty successful distribution of patents coming to u. S. Companies and western companies generally. We work with our partners to ensure were having the right policy outcomes in all of those conferences. I think its important that we think about how we can encourage the private sector to participate fully in standards bodies. Standards they see a value in them. Some Companies Run the market with the latest technology. There has to be a reason theyre participating in the standards body itself because it takes a lot of resources from their own internal research and Development Efforts to participate in these which can take years to bear fruit. We can think about policies on that front. How about the conferences . My question was in part about these visa and is the fact that we arent having the conferences here in this country and that puts us as a disadvantage. We are looking at hosting a broad band conference next year. Were analyzing that. One of the issues is that we have National Security reviews for people coming to our conferences. And the world wants to participate in our conferences including countries that we have substantial concerns about the officials and activities of their governments. When is the last time we had a conference in the United States . I know we had an i. T. Conference about 20 years ago. And that just one narrow sliver. We host all kinds of meetings all the time on a smaller delegation level, all of the western hemisphere comes here to washington would it be helpful to have some of the conferences here on standard setting . Yes. But im not sure its impeded by the visa issue. It is impeded by the visa issues . I dont know that it is. Youre telling me this. We can look were told that it is and also on the private sector side, we have an issue of american participation that we have to address. I hope youll be doing that in your role. Thank you. Thank you, senator. I want to go back to mid band. Are there bureaucratic roadblocks preventing that . Are we moving too slow on it . Thank you, senator. I think we are moving too slow. Theres 16 other country that is have broad midband spectrum to market. The Administration Made the easy choice which was to focus on fairly unoccupied band waves first and push them to market through auction, but i think thats a strategic mistake. The reason im asking a couple months ago, we were sensing a roadblock, i met with chairman pi, the roadblock is no longer there. Are there other roadblocks that people maybe arent willing to testify to at the table today. Our air waves are a resource. Were not making more and every one of us is using our device more eveoften, were connecting more things. The challenge comes in how you manage the incumbent that is are in those air waves today. And how you incentivize them to relocate so we can move commercial operations. Its a difficult challenge and i want to make sure there arent equities or roadblocks preventing us to overcome these challenges because its a top priority. I think part of the problem is our process is flawed. They tell us to start knocking on the doors of federal actors that have access to spectrum and we go back and forth and it takes years. We should build a structural incentive for them to be efficient so when they relinquish them, we see gain. Its a difficult anybody else want to way in on this. Im happy to outline some of the work on reallocating spectrum. I sent a letter to all of our spectrum federal partners asking them to assess their current needs. We delivered a repurposing report that documented all the work that weve done and nti has worked with the department of defense on dynamic spectrum sharing i dont care to hear what you did. Whats preventing you from moving faster . Im trying to figure out, whats preventing us from moving faster when this is a top priority . I want to point out one thing, you may be aware of the sprint tmobile merger. Thats been approved by the federal government but not approved by the lawsuit by the states attorneys generals. Thats been slowing that process down. Lawyers if you look at midband spectrum, thats going to cover with mid band, theyll cover a three quarters of that. I dont want to dwell on this, but im going to encourage after this to meet with me, meet with staff, if there are roadblocks, i want to know about them so we can utilize our capacity to try to knock those things down. This is a top priority. Senator romney was making a lot of quite a few comments about how far behind we are. I thought it was interesting in the brief, a report basically in 2018 said that when looking at spectrum availability, licensing and deployment of 5g, china ranks highest in scoring with south korea and the u. S. And japan not far behind. In april 2019 report, they said that u. S. Has made progress and pulled even with china. So, again, i dont want to if i dont want to overstate if were lagging. We should be ahead. Is that an accurate assessment . Is it as dire as senator romney was pointing out . Youre moving there, do you want to answer that . I want to go back to the points the panel has made, this is a blip, this is an anomaly. If we can unlock the open Radio Access Network piece, the vendor base in the United States, the Innovation Base is going to explode and, again, this is going to be a conversation were going to think let me you said if we can unlock what do we need to do to unlock that . Whats the roadblock on unblocking that . There are incentives that need to be put in place, some of the work that im doing with my agency at Idaho National labs, theres a bunch of testing and opportunity development. Thats a small slice of it there. Does that have to be funded by the government . Some of it should be funded by the federal government. But others, again, the private sector is going to search into the market if we can make it compelling. Achieving true inter onability is going to be critical. You can start putting bits and pieces of different vendors together, thats true interoperability. What were talking about here with Virtualized Networks is cloud. Thats all it is. Its dumb metal with software writing on top. We own that space. Lets make it an economic in the event for us to get in there. What im asking, not this setting, is break this down so its understandable if there are things that congress can do that this committee can do, you would target oversight letters to break down barriers or a piece of legislation that would provide funding to an agency to do this through government. We need to know that. I got an idea. Good. By the way, i agree completely with everything that chris just said at the end of the table. I think the fcc set up something called innovation zones and new york city and Salt Lake City will be issuing licenses for 5g. We should see how we can use those zones to start creating test beds for more activity with open Radio Access Networks. And certainly with this committees help, i hope my colleagues would agree. Again, this is coming from somebody whos not a fan of government. Again, we are in a competition with a command and control economy that is subsidizing and making it very difficult to compete. Its breaking down the marketplace. We have to recognize that reality. We need to understand what we need to do in a very complex environment. Youre going to have a homework assignment after this hearing. Thats one of the benefits of coming before this committee. Do you have some more questions . Commissioner, i want to say, i appreciate your passion on expanding broad band access everywhere. Ive seen firsthand in my state that access to broad band is as critical as clean water and electricity. We have to look at it that way to make sure everybody in this country, no matter who they are have access to that and remember that a lot of rusral areas don have 4g right now. I appreciate your comments on the mid band as well as the mapping and we have to continue to work in that area. But my question to you is the fcc proposal would bar Communication Companies from using support they testify from the universal service fund to purchase equipment or services from companies that pose a security threat. So my question to you, why is this proposal only focused on Service Providers using funds when the fcc has jurisdiction over the entire wireless industry. My understanding based on the executive order, the department of commerce has an obligation to look at this issue more broadly and the fcc has focused on its distribution of 4. 5 billion a year and making sure those funds dont go towards insecurity equipment. But i believe under the executive order, the broader choices in the economy fall to the department of commerce and they were supposed to have rules i think by this month. Anybody else care to comment . On may 15th of this year, the president issued an executive order giving the secretary Emergency Authority to make determinations against transactions into our ecosystem through information, communications, technology and services. It gave him immediate authority. He could act today if necessary, but we are currently working through the regulations which lays out the process. So there could be other funds that are being used besides just usf. There are no funds. This is just a procedural determination. Okay. Right now just usf funds, though. Were not look if this is a National Security threat, why wouldnt there be other sources . Well, im familiar with what the fcc is doing with the funds and i believe the broader obligations and the economy would fall to the department of commerce. Are there proposals preventing companies from using their own funding. Again, i believe that would fall to the department of commerce. Any thoughts on that area . Yes, again, we are currently moving through the drafting the regulations, laying out the process. Okay. Just one final thought, we know, and i think theres some discussion as to whether were behind or in a blip or wherever we are related to 5g, but we know we were the leader of 4g. Now were in a situation where were debating whether were behind or in a blip. We want to make sure that the United States is a leader in emerging technologies on a regular basis and were at the verge of a massive explosion of technologies. Is there something we should be thinking about what weve learned from how we were leader in 4g, went to 5g, still trying to figure out how we get back ahead . Are there some Lessons Learned for emerging technologies generally that we should be thinking about right now as we approach in . Senator, exactly. Thats the Bigger Picture issue that a lot of us are wrestling with right now. We have an executive order on Artificial Intelligence and that is composed of a couple elements, one is looking at how we advance r d and build up a workforce in that area, at the same time protecting our Critical Technologies from other countries acquiring those and using them through the military. We need strategies on each of these and we have strategies on 5g and now strategy on ai, and i think thats how we have to address all of these. These are inherently discussions about how were going to see data used by governments and by the private sector over a much longer term. I appreciate you bringing up ai. If you look at the investments that the chinese are making, those are dwarfed. Its not just about our investments and where were putting our areas of focus, its about ensuring a level market level Playing Field globally. Thinking about how do we keep technologies that have been derived from threat or other nefarious means, how do we keep them out. There was a report about a chinese airliner that was cobbled together from stolen technologies from a number of different countries. Is it fair for that airframe to be in the global marketplace. These are the conversations we need to tease out further. Right. I would also like to mention our work with the american broad band initiative. You mentioned rural areas, currently, the federal government owns 30 of land in the u. S. So how can we build out fiber on federal lands. Fiber will underpin 5g. These are some of the important issues that will help promote the deployment of 5g as well as help rural areas. Commissioner . Three things, first, we have an eightpage executive order on Artificial Intelligence. We need a National Plan and a national strategy. Other countries have them with clear goals. We do not. We have to fix that. Next we need smarter National Spectrum strategy. National strategy was due in april of this year. We still dont have one and at the fcc i think were auctioning the wrong spectrum right now. If Congress Sees fit to ever pass a infrastructure bill, i think it would be important to incentivi incentivi incentivize municipalities. Thanks to all of you. Thank you, and thanks for allowing the second round of questions. Thank you all for sticking with the hearing this morning. I do want to note that this committee passed a bill that senator warner and i introduced on the internet of things security. It was a bipartisan vote and it just said that if vendors want to sell devices to the federal government, they have to meet certain standards and it would be a very good way for us to influencing the private sector on those devices. We passed it out of this committee. It hasnt been taken up for a vote and i think it would be a great thing for us to be able to do to help our commercial sector move forward in this way. I wanted to follow up a little with you on the issue of ransom ware. Thank you for your willingness to work with county and state partners on this. Ran so ransom ware has been impacting communities where recently a county government was hit. Luckily they had a backup plan, they recognized the threat, they shut down their systems, but they had to run a jail, a nursing home and dispatch with pen and paper until they could get it back up and Everybody Needs to obviously be prepared for that. And i understand that cisa has briefed local entities and shared information about the nature of these threats and thats movement in the right direction. But i think we have to do more. Beyond briefings and advisories, what is your agency doing to get expertise to these entities who are at risk of being targeted by ransom ware attacks. Thank you. So we a field of professionals, whether Cyber Security, that day in and day out with state and local officials, sharing best practices, reviewing response plans, reviewing architectures, trying to get them to a position where they can better defend their networks. With more of those professionals, i can have more reach and more engagement and were not talking about a dozen here or there, im talking a pretty significant up tick of folks in the field. I think we have to get to a point where we accept the fact that were never going to be completely defend our way out of this. Youre never going to patch every system. Its from a financial perspective, some folks wont be able to keep up. They have been left behind. What is industry doing to help fill the gap. How are Companies Shifting from a stockholder approach to more of a stakeholder approach and providing reasonable resources. And i think we need to be thinking much more about what we can do to disrupt these actors. What is the role of other agencies within the federal government and the role they can play to stop these attacks before they happen and put the bad guys on the run . Thank you. And then i wanted to come back to you, commissioner, just to talk a little bit more about 5g. Youve heard it, and all of you have heard it from member from this committee, we need to continue to turn to the needs of your Rural Communities when it comes to connectivity. As governor and senator, i drive all around my state and i can tell you where we dont have access to broad band to cell service and im as frustrated by our mapping deficiencies as anybody else. Were all aware too that 5g the benefits of 5g can bring. Weve got to get 5g right for americans who live in Rural Communities, not just in our largest cities. To that end, i have reintroduced the bipartisan air waves act to use auction proceeds to fund rural broad band development. Its crucial in making midband spectrum available will let companies innovate. As the world looks for leadership on 5g standards and technologies, the fcc has an Important Role to play in ensuring that america is the preeminent voice on what 5g will look like and whom it will serve. I would like you to use this time to tell us anything you havent said about how the fcc plans to use its existing authority to free up midband spectrum for 5g use and how new technology can be used to drive down the costs of rural networks. Thank you for the question. There are a lot of places in this country that have no gs and getting to 5g is going to be a long way. And the reason they dont have that infrastructure is that its costly to deploy and there arent a lot of people to spread the cost around. The best way you can lower the cost is use the spectrum that propagates further. Right now the fcc is focused all of its energies on highband waves that propagate roughly 300 feet. Theres no math thats going to make that effective in rural new hampshire. It could be interesting and discreet areas, but it wont help the economy thrive which is what you need. What we have to do now is reprioritize and start auctioning off midband spectrum. Its where the rest of the world is building 5g. Its the spectrum that will get to everyone everywhere fastest and most economically. Thank you very much. Thanks for allowing a second round. So much here. One thing im told hasnt come up is looking at einstein and how its working and im going to pose this question to you, so einstein is an effort to ensure that our federal agencies are protected from cyber attack. And my understanding is that this Current Program while effective in terms of monitoring net works, does not scan the cloud or traffic that comes in from mobile sources. Is that correct . So einstein 3a is architected to on premise environment. As we shift to the cloud, were going to have to take a different approach. Were having a number of conversations with major cloud providers and email providers that work with the federal government on how we can get the transparency outcomes, the certain tags that were looking for in email, in particular, and having very the progress were making is noteworthy. But we are accelerating quickly into the cloud and were going to have to take a different approach. Theres a recent policy and were going to be sending out an additional Security Architecture baseline behind that in the next month or so i think. But again, we are working through what some of the alternative architectures look like for cloud. I am very much interested and invested in this space, less about putting a physical device on a network and more about what do a few lines of code look like in the azure marketplace. And i would add that these are the sorts of capabilities as we build them out and refine them for the federal government, we should also be thinking about how they scale to state and local governments with the appropriate privacy protections in place. We have similar capabilities for net flow and intrusion detection systems. How are these things also able to assist state and local capabilities as they move to the cloud. You just raised another issue which is state and local government which is a huge problem as well. But were glad youre there. You have experience working in the private sector on companies who are very active in the cloud. We we want to be helpful. Let us know. As the chairman said earlier, if there are any impediments to that, this is where so much of what we should be concerned about is moving and yet einstein for all of its good work, you know, ten years ago is not keeping up with the technological changes. Let us know how we can help you to accelerate that. On the state and local sides, theres legislation that has been reported out of this committee, were patting ourselves on the back a lot on this committee, because weve reported some good stuff. But senator peters, you were the coauthor of this legislation and it basically says what you said which is we need to help state and local more. The Cyber Security act, it would authorize you guys to work with some of these groups including with the multistate information sharing and Analysis Center and i know youre already doing this. This gives you the clear authorization to do it, to be able to help our state and local partners. I guess one question i would have for you is, what opportunities exist to partner with some of these nonprofits to protect against the chinese threats on the 5g space . Thats a conversation were having, again, i mention at the denver event where we met with a number of rural providers and some of their trade associations on how we pull together a best practice guide and playbook for how these rural organizations might be able to shift into a nonhuawei environment. We have to still down the investments that the larger carriers have made, the best practices theyve developed and weve got to push those down as far as possible because youre just simply not going to find the ability to invest the way some of the larger carriers how do we harness that investment . How do i put in easy to apply playbooks for these carriers to do the things they need to do. We want to be helpful in that and we think its timely. One final question because you havent gotten any questions in a while. We were talking earlier about your work on the expansion of broad band and you mentioned working with the u. S. Department of agriculture. We had legislation come out of this committee at some point, maybe focused more on the on the Rural Communities and the focus is to give them the ability through a new commission and so onto do more in terms of broad band and we also have legislation to help the coops do more because right now under our new tax law, theres some confusion as to whether they might lose their tax exempt status. Can you tell us a little bit about what youre doing and has the farm bill helped and with regard to coops, are you working with coops at all . We are helping coalesce more than 20 different departments and agencies on what we can do as a government to help break down barriers. As i mentioned, 30 of lands are federally held. Can we build fiber, were also looking at how money is spent. We recently created a tool on our website where you can go for a onestop shop to see where federal grants i have not working particularly with coops. I will take that back and get you an answer. If you could, that would be great. Absolutely. Theyre a natural partner in this and they have the interest and ability just as theyve had with electricity, its broad band. So we would appreciate that. Thank you very much. I was at an event earlier this morning on 5g and there was a former mayor that was involved in one of these 5g test cities and he was talking about the resistance from the population on putting up the antennas. And apparently, there are russian bots out there putting out false information in terms of the Health Dangers of 5g. So i just want to ask you, first of all, is that true, and secondly, do we have in any of your agencies the research to refute that and are you p publicizing that . Im aware of open source reporting that russian disinformation campaigns are promulgating that 5g technology is dangerous. My agency is focused on raising Public Awareness of disinformation campaigns, how they work and the things that individually you can do as a consumer of media, social media, traditional media or otherwise, of spotting these campaigns and not contributing and doing their work for them. This is going to be the battlefield really of the future. Its its easy to low level of investment, broad coverage, and its really hard to stop. So while the Intelligence Community and the department of defense are on the operational disruption side, we have to do a lot more, i think, in terms of engaging the public on helping them understand how these things are happening and how the russians are and others increasingly, iranians, chinese, are trying to its a twofold counter. Russia is engaged in this disinformation, but we need to provide the accurate information. We need to have the research that put the publics mind at ease. Do we have that research . Are we pushing that out through the fcc . Im not familiar with a particular white paper on this. I know through our broad band work that we are in the communities doing seminars and webinars with local communities to counter act any information that might be out there. So im happy to dig a little deeper and see if theres a report available. Commissioner, do you know of any effort . I have seen news reports like the one that you suggest and the fcc does have an open proceeding on some of these issues. Id also say this, if we want to get the facilities deployed on the ground everywhere in this country, were going to have to figure out how to work with states to do so. We have a tenth amendment in this country, were going to have to figure out how were all rowing in the same direction and thats going to take some work. A state passed area implementation law. This disinformation is out there and we need to have a program for that. Commissioner you talked about the fccs seal of approval or whatever. With the internet of things, youre going to have an explosion of devices. Do you have the capacity and capability of providing that type of approval for all these devices . Is there something in place or can you envision something in place. Thats a good question. It is so radical, the increase were going to see in connected devices. By the end of the decade, we could have 20 billion things that are connected worldwide. This is a challenge. Were going to have so much more thats connected. But we do have a process in place where the agency itself is not the only one certifying that these devices are safe and effective. We often do that through thirdparty certification bodies. And so what were going to do to do, though, is identify new ways to stream this work. But we should look at that process and see how we can build security into it from the getgo so our authorization isnt stri strictly about interference, but security. The government help write standards and using that is historically how weve done a lot of these authorizations if theres a new use of spectrum, the fcc will take a look at it. If there are new devices with new capabilities. Once devices become routine, it shifts to a certification model done through third parties and i think that that process could serve us, though, it will be bigger in this environment. Director, you talked earlier about the airplane cobbled together with all the stolen technology. The question i have is on patents. Are we going to challenge, or is there an effort to challenge some of these you say that china holds a High Percentage of patents on 5g. Is that one of the ways we can combat them in terms of not recognizing some of those patents . So, you know, extending out of my lane here for cisa, but i think this is a reasonable path, do they matter on a global scale . Anybody else want to weigh in . Senator, i think we patents are going to have the same impact over the long term of the ecosystem and i think its overstated about the success of china in this area. Weve got a report out today that says intel and qualcomm are leading in the patents that will be the most valuable. China has played a lot more teams that are fielding, there will be a group of companies that come together and they will put their people on that team so they can take credit for that. I would recommend a little caution in some of the public debate about how you arbitrate where success lies in this. Our companies seem to be doing just fine overall, as i said before, we need to be vigilant about how we participant and how we exercise control over the institutions that set the rules for participation and the specifications that are developed under those. Im all about recognizing reality as it actually exists. Were talking about the buildout, the 150,000 deployed in china. In the end, thats not that big of a deal. These are pretty small antennas. Were trying to build out these individual cities get the technology out right. China may have wasted a lot of money putting up 150,000 antennas that are going to be that useful. Is that a relatively accurate statement . Its a scary number, but in actuality i think its a useful data point. It tells us that they are ahead. It tells us that south korea too is ahead. Deploying early and at scale gives you leadership opportunities. I think we need to be mindful of it. If i weigh in on the point about us, we are leading on 5g. That is just using the standard of how many towers you deploy is not accurate. Two months ago, china put in license licenses for their operators to do 5g. They just gave out the licenses to the companies. We are leading in 5g. South korea is right there with us. Not saying we shouldnt Pay Attention to competitors. A lot of this falls with them working closely together to push out millions of dollars of propaganda around the world and china also leads in terms of producing these massive ghost cities. Yeah. Again, their system misallocates capital but they can subsidize and hurt a free market competitive system as well. I would echo that. When it comes to patents, its quality over quantity is were going to have more than 100 cities built out by the end of the year. We are firing on all the points that we need to be. Magically, my time never even started. Close this out, though by kind of getting back to where i started. The problem solving process, gathering information, defining the problem, the opportunity of the problem, but establishing achievable goals. Again, what i wanted to come out of this hearing, the goal is, okay, what can this committee do . What can congress do in terms of priorities that we need to set . The goals we have to establish as youre continuing down your paths. What can we do to help you . Can we kind of get some answers on that . Lets start with spectrum. Ill go back to the homework assignment. If theres any roadblocks that we can help knock down, you know, either legislatively or just with oversight letters, or shine a big old bright light on it. Okay, lets get this resolved and move forward. Thats kind of what i want out of the closeout statement. Why dont i just start with the director. What are those top three things, lets say . If you really got five, go ahead, but what are the top three things you would like this committee, youd Like Congress to do in terms of achieving your priorities and your goals . At the top of the list right now is make it easier for companies to share information on risky vendors they come across and make it similarly easy for me to share that information. I dont want to have to go through another antivirus product situation. We need to be able to rapidly get information out. Number two is make it easier for me to be able to convene groups to develop frameworks to share more broadly. And third why do you have a difficult time now . Just antitrust . There are some antitrust issues involved here. Im restricted to some of the Sector Coordinating Councils at this point in terms of those trusted convening mechanisms. I think we can take a harder look at the way we pull groups together. Third and finally, were working on an administrative subpoena proposal right now with your committee. Thats a big, big priority for me. Once we identify vulnerable systems, whether its Industrial Control Systems or telecommunications systems, we need to be able to get to the people managing those systems so that we can close down those vulnerabilities before a bad guy gets to them. Im quite sure that piece of legislation is on our markup next week. Good to hear. Hopefully we get that passed with strong bipartisan support and figure out some way to wind it through the congressional process, get that signed into law. Thanks for your support. Miss renaldo . First, as you talk to Business Leaders around the country, encourage them to participate in standard body settings. Number two, as you talk to your constituent, tell them about, you know, alleviate any concerns they might have about 5g. Talk to them about the benefits of it. Number three, keep doing things like this. Keep having hearings. The underlying of my three points is education. I believe education is the unsung hero in this debate. Okay. Thank you for that question. One thing weve been working on in the state department is creating the architecture internally so we can be full competitors with china and russia and others in emerging technology. We propose there be a cybersecurity and emerging Technologies Bureau. That proposal has been sitting up here in congress for the last five months under review in the Foreign Relations committee. If you could help facilitate which i dont share. But you might know some of the other senators there. We want to engage in a real dialogue about how we can set up an emerging Technologies Bureau that will make us able to fully work with our partners, our key, likeminded partners on emerging Technology Issues and developing strategies of the future. Were not going to have all the solutions in the United States, so we need to be equipped at the state department to be able to engage in future discussions with our key partners. Part of that is resources. Part of it is that were a major part of the departments effort in the future of digital technologies. The other thing i just want to mention was we really appreciate the financing we get through foreign assistance money that can help us work with other governments on their deployment of trusted technologies in both 5g and future connected technologies. Lastly, ill just say that the way i think you all have a united view about the threat and the risk from these types of vendors and if youre in a position to share that in other places with interlock tours and others, that would be great. Just a quick comment. A year ago as were visiting all these delegations, nobody understood huawei. At least now they have the knowledge of it. Sounds like theyre starting to take action on it. Maybe not as fully as we want. Weve come quite a long ways from complete ignorance of the issue and the problem to not only acknowledgment of it and taking steps to alleviate it. Completely agree. Thank you. Commissioner . Thank you. First, we need a National Spectrum strategy, not just for this year or next, for the long haul. Its going to have to have incentives for federal actor to relinquish airways. The absence of those insentives slows us down. Second, we need broadband mapping. Senator peters knows this. We cant manage a problem if we dont measure it. Were not measuring broadband in Rural America, and i think its going to have chilling effects for national and economic security. Third, anything we can do to help with Network Virtualization is something we should invest in. Its a way to help us manage these supply chain challenges going forward. And fourth, finally, and this is just adjacent, but i think its important, we do not have a national Artificial Intelligence strategy. Other nations do. We need one. And what about quantum computing . Again, this hearing is so within this committees mission statement. Our top priority is security, then cybersecurity, countering violent extremism, which is more and more often online. So this is something we will continue to be fully engaged with. We want to be engaged. So again, im just asking all of you to work very cooperatively with not only members but our staffs, and well keep pushing the ball forward. Any time you need any help from this committee or congress, please, dont hesitate to ask and well do whatever we can do. Got to get the magic words here. Thank you again for your time, your testimony. I thought this was an excellent hearing. Again, its just the start. So the hearing record will remain open for 15 days until november 15th at 5 00 p. M. For the submission of statements and questions for the record. This hearing is adjourned. This week on cspan3 at 8 00 p. M. Eastern, watch samples of our history coverage featured every weekend on American History tv. 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