To the invention of supersonic aircrafts the push for whats possible, revolutionized travel. What was once novel yes even dangerous has become commonplace bordering on monday. And is year over year the safest way to travel the world, in 2018 along the, u. S. And Foreign Airlines kara come by one billion passengers, roughly one ace of the entire global population. Right now i can fly from d. C. Texas in last than 100 dollars. We have democratized transportation in the way the right brothers, could never imagined. This evolution has not without challenges, from deadly often preventable crashes to, simply setting up a system that managed to traffic, we have had ingenious safer machines, crashing, inland new system to meet our really neat. In short, we have to adapt as the landscape changes. Which brings us to the topic of today, improving and modernize air Traffic Control for the American People i. Want to make clear from the start that i am sure the air Traffic Control, efforts from previous congress, are on the minds of all of us today thats not what this is a. What or the efforts of the members who have engaged in them including the Ranking Member of the subcommittee showed both leadership, in challenge the status school. Were not here today to rehash old fights. This is not a hearing, on a shoestring proposal, or on the clinton initiated or on the reagan privatization or any others specific proposals, rather the purpose of todays hearing is to examine the current landscape, to discuss what works and what does not. And what you the stakeholders like or dont like. And open a new avenue for dialog. Every one of our witnesses here today, their testimony, has highlight the current air Traffic Control system, has problems, real and meaningful problems. Whether its a certainty of funding, or lack there off, the slow pace of technology coprocurement and the deployment, or the delays caused by inefficiencies of the Current System. So to however, every one of our witnesses, have made it an ambiguity late clear how important our Aviation System is. As we all know, congress authorized faa for another five years, that bill ultimately does not have all of the kinds of bold reforms that i would like or other folks would have hoped for, we now have a unique opportunity in front of us, to look and create a new system that works for all as a eight, aviation stakeholders, and ensure we can always be flying. The point of this hearing today, is to explore the tangible benefits of what a new reform system should contain, better flight management for generations, war for commercial flights lower fuel consumption and the emissions the lower, cost for everyone, and more certainty for those who do the hard work, of running the system. On the end Mission Component along, the full deployment of a new gps based system, adsb, could a lemonade 14. 3 Million Metric Tons of co2 over ten years. But unfortunately that effort has been stymied by a system, that played with obstacles that range from funding to bureaucratic into fights. Fortunately, we dont have to reinvent the wheel, 64 other countries including our neighbor to the north, have reformed there a air Traffic Control system, we can learn from these countries about what has worked, and what should be avoided in developing and reforming, ripped the benefit without the pitfalls. As i stated earlier todays hearing is not about a specific proposal or ideas, its about rehashing the funds, its about resetting the conversations. There is a deal could have here, a winwin for all the stakeholders and for the American People i firmly believe by coming together, we can reform the system to ensure americans, can always the fly. That i have recognized the Ranking Members of senate. Thank you mister chairman thank, you for being here today, the u. S. National airspace system is the largest and most complex airspace in the world, and thanks to our nations air Traffic Controllers, its also the safest, remain in this position we, need to continue improve the safety, efficiency and capacity are our airspace. Arizona is home to one of the largest airports in the country Phoenix International airport, one of the worlds beaches busiest, airport, as well a smaller commercial airports and the military stations, with our complex airspace our air Traffic Controllers need the best technology to keep us safe. For years ive worked in a bipartisan fashion to modernize air Traffic Control and, it has reliable resources in, arizona and across the country will begin to see increased delays and longer travel times to do in part to uncertain if a. Funding stable and predictable funding ensures our airspace remain safe and, we can continue to monitor our Traffic Control programs unfortunately in recent years, we have experience a setback in funding, the federal government recently shut down programs and temporarily closed faa, this negatively impact the lives of controllers and exacerbated long term faa staffing shortages, ended the late implementation of new technologies. Controllers in arizona reached out to me and, explain that, one controller named erin, works at the airport and is a combat vast room with a wife and four children three children have chronic illness us. And his wife stepped down from her job in order to care for them. Erin tell me about the significant financial strain to his family due to the shut down. He had to decide be for him paying for his childrens medical treatment and putting foot on table, this is an exit poll, unpaid air Traffic Control is not a controller. The aviation funding stability act, this bipartisan bill will provide funding for all faa activities in an event of Government Shutdown by utilizing the funding, not getting paid, while were working overtime, increase stress, and generate fatigue, in the case of an emergency. Controllers handle an average 44,000 flights daily, they enable our airspace to be safe as it is this, common sense approach, in shores controllers get paid for doing their jobs, even when congress does not do its job. Additionally, to remain a leader in air Traffic Safety we must focus on modernizing. Some of them includes the on deployment of the next generation technologies. Karen hi practice make it difficult to hire the most qualified individuals thats, why partners at the bipartisan group, they have a hiring format and our bill accelerates the hiring gave priorities to veterans it with certain specialized trainings. Arizona offer some of the best the conditions for aviation training, and is home to two of those schools, i am committed to support to the qualified students and veterans, who will soon Service Pilots and the mechanics to keep our sky safe. We also need to continue to improve car technologies and implement new technologies to monetary our airspace, the faa stirring justice, as it continues deployed, next jen technologies, this effort will for the improve the safety efficiency of our airspace by getting pilots and air traffic all comes trollers new monitoring capabilities. It is difficult under the best of the conditions and the delay and the red tape the funding insufficiency make it even more traffic i, look forward to hearing, from witnesses on, these issues and other issues we face in the country, thank you mister chairman i yield back. Thank. You now all introduce each of our witnesses. The first witness is myth mark baker miss baker is the seal, and only the fifth press in its 80year history of, the aircraft owner and pilots association. With over 35 years, mr. Baker was engaged in the Aviation Community as a pilot hes logged more than 7500 hours of flight time. Prior to joining our buck, mr. Baker served as ceo of Hardware Store cooperation, and Senior Executive gross in scotts company, getting to launch a company, and home depot. Mr. Baker is a graduate of university of minnesota. Our second witness is mr. At bona, mr. Bone is president and ceo of National Business aviation association, prior to joining mba, work at the general aviation manufacturers association, for Senior Vice President and general counsel, and then as president. In 2001, misspoken with nominate by president bush to serve as a member of the commissions on the future of the u. S. Aerospace industry. Prior to this, mr. Bolton was nominate by president clinton, and confirmed by the senate, to serve on the Management Advisory Council to the faa. Mr. Bolton received his degree in economics from university of kansas, his first lady grief from to Learn University and massive law from georgetown university. Our third witness, is captain joe depict, kept in the peak carney serves as the 11s president of the Airline Pilots association, which represents over 60,000 professional Airline Pilots in the United States and canada. In addition to this real, captain the pick on the serve at member of the transportation security administrations, Aviation SecurityAdvisory Committee, as a cochair of international Aviation Security committee, prior to this, kept in the pick served as the first of Vice President and National Safety coordinator, and as the second Vice President fedex, express master executive chairman, and local executive chairman, kept in the pick is a graduate of st. Johns university, and got a Star Aviation flying the casey 1 30, while serving as a captain of the u. S. Marine corps. Our fourth witness, if mr. Trash gilbert, theres a gilbert conserved as the executive Vice President of the national air Traffic Controller association, prior to serving in this role, this gilbert served for 21 years as an air traffic or controller, at the houston Traffic Control center, at george bush intercontinental dental airport. She served many road within the air controlling unit, including serving represent a, southwest rating share, of national committee, and chair of the National Legislative committee. Although originally from oregon, miss gilbert found her way to my hometown for a college, shes a graduate eight of the university of houston. Our fifth and final witness is miss pink, artemis pinkett in executive Vice President for policy and the Regulatory Affairs and airlines of for america. Miss clinton first joined airlines for america, as Vice President for Government Affairs in april 2006. Where she was responsible for over seeing all aviation related issues, before federal state and local governments. Previously, miss pink ardent served as assistant administrator for aviation policy, planning environment at the faa, before the faa serve for the attack as transportation counsel, the house aviation subcommittee chairman jamaica. Miss pincushion is a graduate of see the whale college, and her logic curry from university of florida. I now recognize mr. Banker for just a minute. Thank you, members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to discuss this, to ensure the United States, maintain its leadership in aviation, to have the safest and most efficient Traffic Control system in the world. We represent over 600,000 pilots, we are active in engaging members of every state in congressional district, ive had the privilege of serving in the next jen visor a committee, for nearly six years. Now i served with several summer here, i can tell you this is the best the goverment industry collaborative efforts i am aware of and associated with. In my previous experience i, had a leadership experience in Large Companies these are you know, always challenges, and unforeseen circumstances, whether in the government or the private sector, as everything goes on exactly as planned now . Do we have a monitor system, yes we do. 80 c monitor, has been evolving process, always moving. As Technology Changes so are our system. We look forward to working with subcommittee to provide anything that can improve efficiencies ends with back to the next john efforts, within the faa construct. As you know in the past years i dont want to speak for others i could be wrong but there are each of the continue to divide us. The authors of hockey system that should benefit all users not to some. We have seen where 80 see offers general aviation in other countries. We dont want to go down that path. With all the issues we hear about from our members i can tell you our 80 see system is not one of them. Privatizing the system will not reduce the delays will, not make seats larger, or not address the fact that the passengers and they need to fly to the many same destinations the same time. It can be addressed by creating greater capacities in some of our largest airports, increase efficiency, and bring modern technologies, especially during peak hours. We believe our nations five systems are vital, we need a National Airport ecosystem to accommodate every increasing passenger flight in the country also congress has provided at a adequate resources to monitor our system, we support, the budget by the faa, to provide predicts no funding, we should address those as well. Consolidating stated facilities across the country, should be undertaken, with efficiencies. Investigative capacities, of our busiest airports, thats key. Creating an environment for private sector investments, and local airports, certainly needed across the country. Mister chairman, were committed in continuing collaborating consent voting with all users to improve the faa progress, will continue to make progress create that can sense we must work together. Not against one another. We must find a way that our National System continues to work for all segments of aviation thank. You thank you mister baker. Thank you chairman cruz, ran he members, members of the subcommittee, the National Business aviation association, represents over 11,000 companies in the United States. The mass majority of those are small companies. They operate in every imaginable field, agriculture, manufacturing, construction house care delivery, about the only thing that our members have in common, a said they all rely on general aviation aircraft, to make some portion of their transportation challenges. The senator cruz pointed out, chairman crews pointed out in his opening remarks, aviation is critically important to the United States, its been a long history of leadership that we have demonstrated, everything from the right rather fly to where we are today. Make no mistake about it, where we are today, is the largest, the safest, the most efficient, the most diverse, air Transportation System in the world. But, neither mba a, nor any americans can be satisfied with the status cool. We need to constantly move forward. Leadership today, does not mean leadership tomorrow. We have, and will continue to approach for the United States, to make transitions, to constantly improve the system. To increase through put, to reduce our emissions, and constantly increase safety. To that and, mba and its Member Companies have been very focused, on working through, platforms like the next generation Advisory Committee, to make texture and a reality. Everyone would have recognized a great deal of progress has taken place for example, we have transition, from a ground base infrastructure to a satellite based infrastructure. Our data come process which will move us from analog to digital, is underway, on time, and on the budget. Much of the old system, from the 19 fifties, is being decommissioned. Radio beacons, via ours, shortrange radar, and a number of places, i el assists, at giving way to augmentation systems, to nearly every port in the United States. This is provided access to a company, small town, rural communities, it is also enhanced safety. It is also, helped people be able to do to make things easier to deploy, were certainly going to advocate for that, we like to get around that. Thank you miss pink art and. Into tonight, the Aerospace Association estimated at the implementing this in the United States will leave to 12 fewer savings about it at 4. 4 billion dollars a year, by enabling aircrafts to life more directly from point a to point b the, new gps Navigation System will be able to reduce flying time, could be potentially reducing the harmful pollution emitted in the s atmosphere for each flight, can you testify that this would reduce emissions and mitigate act sure negative effects like noise . Yes i am happy to do that, essentially, performance based navigation, allows more direct route, so in the flying over, points rate up points, p and allows aircraft to fly, into direct route, and very predetermine routes, that are taking last distance from here there, thats a fuel saving right there, instead of going like that, youre going a more direct route. Direct routing frankly sometimes and most of time reduces the noise thats cost but other people who are going to be in that hathaway, they do receive noise before, they will be receiving noise or, something weve had to struggle with, as we make for efficiency procedures. That being said, i think that on the hole, if you read the platform of the inspector generals report on performance based navigation, what do you will find is that, to the procedures where do you the overall amount of noise, they save time and feel, when they work. Its just the obstacles, to getting those procedures getting done, to have controllers try to use them, and actually use them, has really been, standing in the way of achieving those what the ai talks about. So as i see it, much of the testimony here today there are significant benefits potentially to be realized for air Traffic Control monitor or ring, and saving millions of dollars, includes saving an or most time both of pilots, crews and, also passengers. Those include potential improvements in safety from relying on better technology. Those include very significant environmental benefits by decreasing emissions that are not necessary. That being said, getting support has been challenging, both of your organizations at the previous congress, has expressed real and genuine concerns about the proposal we discussed, i understand general aviation concerned, the modernization effort that the, they could get the short and of the stick, i know they are good faith and real concerns, my hope is that, we can reach, a policy solution were stakeholders all the stakeholders can come together. And getting women solutions. Get a better outcome than we have today. I want to ask both of you can either of you think colorful a legislative or policy step forward that your members would regard as a significant improvement i guess my question is not what would you oppose rather what would be a win for you you would be go back to your members and the salad as this is a better than what we have . Got chairman crews to be clear general aviation was very much continues to be in favor of modernization. We do not say private we do not see privatization as a way to get there. Instead we believe that you could get industry weve been talking about, within the waiting on the fulfillment of the mandate, but we are committed to modernization, we dont belief modernization, and privatization should be confused, one a semester the, other is the destination, we believe that if government does its part, if industry does it park, and oversight is there, and the public is engaged, the collectively, we can keep the u. S. System the best of the world. Miss they got. Thank you, i echo what was just said, and a couple of issues worth noting, about 160,000 general aviation crafted are under the space, 80,000 of them were a quid the, quid means cost, if complete will before billion dollar, encourage our members to start to, we have a Government Program 500 dollars, to help stimulate go forward, we like to see every aircraft in the country equipped with this for management. So a he can continue to look at that, there will be a big win for us. Thank you mister chairman, my first question is for miss gilbert, as you discuss in your testimony, the partial Government Shutdown earlier this year, created significant destruction for all aspects of air Traffic Control system you, specifically mentioned how the shutdown exasperated staff, and turn over and other aspects thats, how would the aviation funding submitted to act, the one that we introduced, which will allow us continue to be funded during Government Shutdown, how would that help address some of the long term staff challenges, and what are the consequences of fairness passed the legislation, for the safety of our air travel control system . Thank you, that legislation introduced thank you also, senator moron for that peace. The bill as youre well aware, is in the house, it has 44 cosponsors, we are hoping that its taking, theyre taking it seriously, its and crucial actually, to bring instability into our air Traffic Control system. I dont even remember what it was like to have regular order and have funding bills in place, i only in the last ten years and many of the members i represent, make decisions based on is there going to be another shutdown, and put myself in training not be able to work and be for a lot, do i make life decisions based on whether congress can pass any bells . Thats the personal side of. It certainly we were very vocal of the human toll it takes on families, and the fatigue in the workplace, of this dress in the workplace you dont need to add stressed its already there they need to be focused 100 percent of the time on the job theyre doing, that create quite a bit, of ends in our system the training stops the hiring stops and the technology stops, and the upgrading of our system stops the safety reporting snow a cars, but actions take place behind those dont get done, little by little, our system starts to unravel, and so this is just as bad as shutdown, although 35 days is not something i will forget, its pretty horrific, we cannot afford to see that in a system again, i very very adamant, that were so trying to recover from what we went through in earlier january december this. Year thank you my next question is warmest curtain, in march this year the Navigation Service providers, in management. And what can doesfol that have to what relationship does that have to do with transatlantic space in the next five . Years thank, you daca and, avoid, and they have returned to the faa and ask them to accelerate their testing and implementation of the technology, it essentially constant surveillance of playing, something we dont have right now, especially in the oceanic environment, border snow greater rich. Were talking about safety issues to having a simultaneous awareness of where the plane is, also is enable less than 40 miles of separations between planes share in an environment, critical, in achieving reduced emissions to reduce that separation, and obviously, you know, being able to put more planes into this guys, being able to serve more passengers, increasing safety, and Operational Efficiency benefits. This is a matter of leadership. We think its imperative that u. S. Has this technology. Thank you. I agree with the testimony, very strong supporter of the space i think one of our form at a administrators, described, one compare rega as looking at is hes precious painting looking at a High Definition of. It its a great Situational Awareness for our pilots. In addition to that when we consider the fact of the managed airspace, for commercial base launches right now, the faa has to lock off this, on cause delays, rerouting, and burning, what this will do is allow us to more dynamically managed airspace, to be able to accommodate it. Right now, i say the word, accommodate, but the real goal should be full integration. So this is a transformative tool, and just they operate sin adjust ugly, and they actually create a whole lot greater than the sum of its parts. So a very useful, both from safety, and security standpoint as well. Thank you mister chairman. Thank you. Senator. Thank you mister chairman. Thank you to the panel for being here today. As you mentioned, the testimony. And we have the opportunities greatly enhanced the capacity of, the Transportation System, especially in some of our nations busiest airports. I would like to ask miss pink garden, if you could speak to some of the benefits of to the traveling public, as a result of the implementing this next Generation Technology . I have to do that, what we are seeing is, even the washington and you havent got any farther apart, its taking longer for passengers to fly from washington to new york. San francisco to l. A. , and average of 12 extra minutes in 2018, versus 2017. What these technologies will bring in terms of passenger convenience is, there is a enormous amount of time savings, and our ability to put the texture into the service, to allow airlines to offer additional service, cool smaller and larger communities. You mentioned that to a lot of aircraft will not be equipped at the end of the year, based on the equipment changed, how long the u. S. Made it will take for these to be equipped . Its a very good question, the average animation, its four five year old, these costs have been going on, and our, like billion dollars we have the owners have put into the equipment so far and its close to four billion dollars. We do want to see them in place will just continue to ask every day to consider to help these people get these equipments have come down originally was a 6000 dollars, now its a couple of thousand dollars for each aircraft we, want to see that done. You also mentioned faa policy required ding aircraft not equipped with this by january 2020 you, believe that the policy outlined which requires authorizations, one hour prior to the flight will serve as the solution in the interim . Yes, the transponder days, we will see, thats a little bit easier to waver at the tower, order control space, with the expectation this will be an online system, it will be at quickly stop we hope we will not use it very often. Mr. Bolton and, im asking miss singleton about the next john technology will mean, in the current space, can you tell us a little bit about what it means in terms of benefiting the media for a the use of the airspace . I think the key factor for the next ten is it will allow, it enhanced safety will allow a ring for the airports, of every airport in in the United States you know that to, today their largely reserved for the largest airports in the United States, by taking advantage of satellite navigation we were able to have that kind of a technology not only to the 500 commercially served airports, of the nearly 5000 airports in the United States, and for all of those, jobs, Economic Development to be able to go where it makes sense, so that is a huge step forward, the other part of it, though, is the general Aviation Business community is part of a broader ecosystem, we are an integrated group. So together, we find ways to maximize industry through put, improve Situational Awareness increased safety, Everybody Knows where everybody is, better understanding of whether, and we can reduce our environmental footprint from like chairman fingered inset, miss singleton said, this is all promises up the next jen, and we are staunchly promoting over the past several years we can increase through put, reduce our environmental footprint enhanced 50, were all. In just a quick followup on you talked about the extra time in his last year that we are seeing. What block time to think can be attributed of ways in the adaptation of next chen of infrastructure constraints and our nations and business airports . Im reluctant to take a guess of that. I said in my oral testimony and it really is. You have to have all of the above and you do have to have Airport Infrastructure equally have to have the air Traffic Control system infrastructure and procedures and dont have training i dont have controller staffing. I really would be reluctant to attribute delays to one or another and normally above. Its critical to reducing block time in the busiest routes. I would say that i would focus on the air Traffic Control system as well as the Service Management system and those two issues. My time has expired thank you as a may add to questions or simply for the record. Thank you. Thank you to you and the senator for the hearing at it is knowledgeable an experience and is nice to concede that even in the United States senate that exists. Let me start with this issue of the stability act and by seven 62. Thank you for your call leadership on this bill and i find no one among my colleagues who is opposed to the southern sleigh shun. Is that true of today . Yes. So, the only argument that is said to speak against it as it comes as some of my colleagues is that if we eliminate the difficulties that air Traffic Control within the faa have increased the chances of a shutdown. So its a practical matter and the argument is we see more shutdowns with consequences and i hope that we could do our job better than weve done the debate and i hope it doesnt take a disaster or a difficulty in the air system for us to avoid doing something that makes no sense in the first place. But im curious if you have heard any other or if anyone has any other explanations of why someone would not be in favor of this. Then i would ask you if you would help me and i assume that you have been working to see that there are additional cosponsors to this legislation. If youre receiving any pushback from my colleagues and anyone that would have any advice of how to advance this bill will further than where we are today. Im on my own. Its you a nicer. Can i say one thing . Yes maam. What id like not to see in a shutout to convince people to find out of this legislation. I share that sentiment and thats why i introduced avail and it is to work through our challenges and not requiring a disaster and a catastrophe or even just difficulties for american traveling public and be asked to our work and mr. Poland . Id like to say senator that your explanation on why not to pass your bill is only in washington explanation. Everywhere else people know our economy, our safety depends on a strong and robust air Transportation System. I think not only do the people at this table support we are trying to do it at the American Public does as well. Knowing that youre from kansas i take your words with great wait because youre telling me that kansas must think that way unfortunately in this instance i certainly share that view. Mr. Bowl and, i appreciate what the chairman has to say in his opening comments. Your membership strongly opposed privatization in the debate leading up to the passage of the authorization bill. But, what are the priorities of business Aviation Community and advancing modernization . You talked about the difference between modernization and privatization. What are the things that stand in the way of modernization . Is there a legislative request or is this just about implementation or is it just take his back to dont shut down government because it slows down the process and its well on its way. Our air Transportation System and next jen that we talked about is not just the Technology Program and is not just about policy as not just about procedures. Its all of those things and when a policy procedure technology but we also need communities support and the buy in. One of the things the chairman crews. In the control for noise and like there are examples with the Community Involvement and what they are trying to do but the flight paths our very dispersed and concentrated them which made it very efficient and are concentrated. Which predicted disbursement and thats where we need to have anything else in a clear defined goal which is very important and accountability and measure ability. And i think what we have seen is over time weve had the next jen Advisory Committee to find that form and that what we are missing is some of the oversight that has not necessarily been potentially strong as weve had another political distractions now that we have a fiveyear pole and a lot of stability and we can certainly do that Public Engagement and is something that we are working on. And i think will do better, in the future. So i thank, you know all of this is very hard grassroots, stuff, we got to go to communities we, got to dubai in, leave got to get industry consensus, weve got to have accountability and weve got to half oversight. Now we have an opportunity to do that with the political distractions put aside. Now you all can answer a response to me personally if you lie, floors of all i, think miss i think miss pink one for the interesting work together, to find solutions to the challenges we face, mr. Bake i would ask you, if you would either in parsons or on the record outline for me the things, the top five things i ought to be worried about for general aviation, and Rural America . I always thought the member of Congress Cares about aviation, we made a lot of airplanes it is certainly true, we care about aviation, because we have another rural communities, we can connect the world, and keep Rural America alive, so dan and most attended to captain of, the question i asked mr. Bolton that, the modernization, and separating air trafficking control from the faa . Mister chairman thank. You thank you. Mister baker mr. Ball and, according to the civil air navigation navigation association, there right now 64 air Navigation Service providers who are operating air Traffic Control across the globe that are separate legally from the aviation regulator, and all of these entities are interim paid for by aviation user fees. Instead of a accessed taxes on Aviation Fuels and etc. That funding stream, among other things, will solve, the challenge that all of the witnesses have talked about, the funding being independent, not having a Government Shutdown, or congress not bickering like children which sadly it has been a persistent problem. In dealing with these are other air Traffic Controller organizations in other countries, other particular challenges or problems your members have encountered, that he would not want to see replicated here, how are there systems working, forces here . Go ahead. I dont know that theyre working particularly well, a reading of the headlines in europe over the past two years present a very concerning picture, off a number of systems, where, they have not investigated invested in technology, as a result, were seeing, in europe, some of the most significant delays anywhere in the world. So, in addition to that, we have seen that, general aviation routing, has peacock more secular, not less, fuel or on its up not down, access is restricted, not enhanced. So, what we have been seeing by looking at other countries is, not something to embrace, but something to be very concerned about. We are also seeing that the u. S. Is, and remains, a largest are, the most complex, the most diverse, and the most to safe, and the most Efficient AirTransportation System in the world. Were very careful when someone says, here is a very small country, shouldnt we emulate that, first of all, that is not an accurate comparison and second of all, as we look closely at some of the smaller countries, what we are seeing, not the promises made promises kept, but we are concerned that we have underscored in our opposition to this association the government from. That mr. Baker anything . Yes i have the opportunity to fly off the states in canada and in many parts in the world and experienced it firsthand, some areas, they have fees and charges and, the traffic separation deal here in canada even, due to not having enough labor day cannot answer delay deal the being broadcast on the system, ive seen where people are not doing cotton goes, touching the ground and fly away, because it cost ten, 2030 40 dollars and two operator craft, or those creates potentially unsafe conditions, so thats what i want to, say a our system is safe, and its very consistent our members invested billions of dollars, so they cannot pass the cost and, i think we have a really good system, we can be better, but i think there are no mottos, in my experience personally or implemented on the International Air will be which represents many countries around the world to continue to a v. Envy the u. S. Aviation system. Captain, what is your opinion . There will be significant benefits obviously where i see, most of problems related to the community was a stable, reliable, longterm funding mechanism, as well as a way to, perhaps enhanced, or encourage industry, in the type of equipment to take advantage, and you refer to as, aviation ecosystem, it is. Weve done this, weve got this finetuned collaborative machine we have created we have even shifted from, what was a forensic approach to our risk predictive model, thats why i think, having a shutdown, that so problematic, because at the time we need to be able to see in the motto to, see any kind of risk that might come from the shut down. Couple that with everybody that flies knows the single most, biggest a threat, to aviation safety is the stretch is, when you think about, ranking number mentioned having to make a choice between coming to work to shut down, or feeding a family, im not sure i want my air Traffic Controllers who have to go through that. So seems to me the discussion consistently comes back to, how do we find, a stable, reliable source of longterm funding that we can all agree on . And would you think, a user fee system would be one way to do that . When we look at the, the past faa authorization, we endorsed it, but we had certain conditions that we had, because we, had to look at that in the context of what we are doing as the association, we have a couple of prerequisite, whatever the system is, they need to be a study the source of the funding, should be nonprofit there should be some type of user fee of some sort, agreement everybody uses a system pays for the system, it has to be respect collective bargaining, weeks look at that through that lens, and i truly believe that or, if today, given what we have achieved so far, if the faa has been provided the resources the steady resort we wouldnt be probably having this discussion right now, it seems to me is that, a constant back and forth about who pays what . Senator rosen. Thank you senator cruz for calling this Committee Hearing and thank you to all the witnesses for being here. I want to talk a little bit about the impact of privatization on the National Security airspace. Of course i represent nevada. Nevada is the proud home of the air force base and the air station in the Training Range and we train those on top gun naval aviators in the air force pilots somewhere in the data. Its not all the branches of the military come to test rain and weapon systems and conduct their advanced Aerial Combat training. Without interference from commercial air traffic as you know. The largest contiguous airspace and ground military training in the continental United States is in the data with the testing Training Range. Its its pretty close, only a few miles away from las vegas airport which is one of the top ten busiest airports in the United States with nearly 50 million visitors and we like to see both visitors come and we hope that keeps going up. So strong working relationship is important and its crucial for entities and such close proximity as they are. The service earlier military jets landed due to runway closures and of course with the faa traffic coming in out of my karen it capes asleep distance for military airspace. In 2017, the d. O. T. Stated that the establishment set a new entity from the faa and raises serious concern regarding the disposition of certain unique and National Defence procedures programs and policies. So miss gilbert and captain joe depete if the control system would go from a responsibility of the Government Agencies to being part of a corporate nonprofit or other what, would be the impact on the delicate balance between our commercial and National Securitys of not just the airspace and nevada but on our nations are space . When discussing any kind of the government separated from the regulator of what the discussion is, we would really be concerned if there were any mater that would have a for profit in the system that would be problematic for the safety of the system and that safeguarded every day. Our four Core Principles would hold up and against any kind of discussion which would be the efficiency would be the number one priority. And funding uncertainty that would allow hiring and training and preventive measures of security and we would need to maintain a robust system that would allow for users in and out of the large airports in the military opulence too small and big communities alike. Wed have commercial states to integrate them in the challenges that come with that and Aircraft Systems as well. My very dear to me is the protection of the workforce and they do a tremendous job and that they are protected under this Current System or any discussion of any high and reform small or large that they are defected is that discussion could. Thank you. Just a dovetail on what they said. We also this is also a matter of policy in this association which is considered that is considered things that i mentioned prior about having a system and of a standing steady funding stream. What i did leave out was a form of governance that utilizes the users a both and air Traffic Controllers to ensure against those very same things that you mentioned. Its a very proactive system regardless of what it is. Ill go back to saying that i think when you consider what we achieved to know, that the main problem seems to be a commitment towards funding. If we can work that out i think were in pretty solid ground. Im not sure that we need to reinvent the wheel because we look at the alternative ways and causing that very situation which is to turn around and say what can we do and whether its the funding stabilization act or to keep the system running. Although we love our tourism and travel for business and all of that we cant take into account the military bases that live off and close to our urban areas. Our training and all of that protection and cooperation between those two which is the utmost importance. Thank you. Thank you very much i want to thank each of the witnesses for your testimony today and i think this has been productive and i think this hearing has helped reset and i hope restart the conversation about how we can come together cooperatively to reform and modernize air Traffic Control and the benefits for all the stakeholders and for the flying public. The hearing record will remain open for two weeks until october 8th. But at that time senators were to submit any questions for the record on the receipt and the witnesses are requested to submit the written answers as soon as possible and with our thanks again this hearing is adjourned the Student Experience is really bible to me. It had a huge effect on our life and its really helped us grow as people and going into our college ears. Four past winners of seaspan Student Campaign competition we experience sparked are interested in a documentary production. 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