Presidency,he thomas talks about the architectural trends that influenced the design of George Washingtons mount vernon estate. He is director of architecture at washingtons Virginia Home and has overseen the restoration of several prominent rooms, including the recently updated blue room. This program is part of a mount vernon symposium focusing on the places where washington lived and visited. It is 50 minutes. It is my pleasure to introduce my colleague, Thomas Reinhardt who joined Mount Vernons staff in 2013. In that capacity, he provides dynamic leadership for the ongoing preservation of the estates 36 originally constructed buildings. Since his arrival, i have had the privilege of working with tom to develop a partnership between preservation and curatorial staff. We have completed several mansion room products including andblue room in 2014 currently underway, the front parlor hopefully to open up next year. He has also led critically important projects, stabilized the and the 1758 main staircase. Not to mention spending several nights in the new room, charting every nail and nail hole in that floor to answer the question, is it the original floor . Im glad he has that job. He holds a ba from the college of william and mary. In classical archaeology from Florida State with continuing studies at the American School of classical studies in athens and the university of north carolina, chapel hill. After accumulating these credentials, he shifted his focus to the more concern the more classical concerns of historical preservation. Prior to coming to mount vernon, he served as the architectural historian and administrator of Architectural Research at the Maryland Historical trust. He is currently on the Research Faculty in jordan in George Washington university. Please join me in welcoming Tom Reinhardt who will speak George Washington among marilyns architectural oven among marylands architectural trendsetters. [applause] glad you made it because i was traversing from maryland over here, this afternoon. Thank you for sticking it out to the bitter end. Since this symposium began with a paper about young George Washingtons architectural life, thisught it fitting that last paper began with the end of his architectural story. December 15, 1799, the body of George Washington lady in the unheeded new room at the north end of his home. The room had recently been updated and upgraded when it president and mrs. Washington returned from philadelphia with an expectation of a long happy retirement together. The renovation they undertook was comprehensive. Washington told a correspondent i find myself in a situation of a young beginner. In a word, i have already surrounded by join ends joiners, masons, etc. Such is my anxiety to get out of their hands. Without the music of hammers or the smell of paint. As recent research and restorations carried out by Mount Vernons department of Historic Preservation and washingtonshows, philadelphia years were a source of inspiration for materials that is the new room that susan mentioned. This is the most recently opened room, the blue bedroom. Ofy were a source inspiration and materials that fueled his return to the status of young beginner. While the interpretation of the mansion focuses on this period at the end of washingtons life, not vernon was a living place during the 18th century, changing over more than 40 years of George Washingtons residency. We want not only to understand what the place looked like in 1799, we want to decipher those earlier periods, to understand how it looked, when, how and why. All of these earlier connections were made to the pattern of sources used by the craftsman and employed by washington and his contemporaries. Inspiration taken from buildings that stood along the routes that young washington travel. Who undeniably had a connection to washington but likely not a architectural one. He rented a property from washington toward the end of his life. But has been made of washingtons trip to boston with inspirational status given to both newport, Rhode IslandsRedwood Library for obvious reasons and in roxbury, massachusetts. Attribute it to him as well. In the identification of these as inspiration for washingtons use of wood boards chamfered to look like stone blocks and then covered in sand and paint complete the effect has been repeated so often it has been accepted as gospel. This is despite the fact that there is no documentary evidence to attribute surely place nor that washington visited the thatry in 1756, nor even it had rested citing at all rustic aided siding at all. It must be carried over the hold of the east and west front in order to give the house the stamp of dignity and character which it had in the governors day. I realize you might be thinking i have you i have veered wildly off of my course and you are looking at your program to confirm that this is to be a lecture on George Washington and annapolis, maryland. The premise i am attempting to develop is that despite the effort of generations of scholars to connect the important owners of important houses with the important architects of other important buildings, there is often little evidence to support those claims. The design of houses in the 18th century in america had much more to do with what pattern looks were available to owners or to the craftsman they had at their disposal. And to what owners were seeing in places with frequency. For George Washington, this would be Regional Centers like williamsburg or at or annapolis. Burgesses, the governor, the college of william and mary. Less likely discussed are his connections with annapolis and maryland in general. One of washingtons geographically closest neighbors lived just across the potomac in maryland. William diggs owned a house that stood where Fort Washington now stands. The site is so close that it is visible from Mount Vernons east hall. A fact that inspired Washington Irving to record the dubious story that the neighbors spoke to each other from across the river with flags. But of this is true or not, washington and diggs did have a neighborly relationship that included visits in the 16th in the 60s and 70s. Washington road across the landing as thes starting point to his many trips to annapolis. King charles the firsts rampant proprietorship in the colony was settled in 1634 with the intention of being a place of tolerance for dissenters from the church of england. It is not surprising that the colony was caught up in the political and religious turmoil of the 17th century. As a result of the english revolution of 1688, the proprietorship was rescinded and the colony received a royal governor. With tensions still running high, governor nicholson determine the existing capital as st. Marys to be closely associated with the original catholic gentry and moved the , aital to anne arundel Town Settlement along the river. He renamed the place and annapolis, severing the upon us connection to anne arundel, the wife of the second lord baltimore. Governor nixon to desk governor nicholson only removed the capital, he wrote a plan for the city that symbolically cemented the church of england to the Civil Authority of the royal governor. I wonder how god felt about that demotion. [laughter] predated the plan one by nicholson for williamsburg by four years, making it the first real city land in the chesapeake. 1699, a visitor described it where onelling houses can afford good accommodations for a stranger. Theres also a statehouse and a free school built with her, which make a great show among the parcel of wooden houses and the foundation of a church, the only brick church in maryland. Over the course of the 18th century, annapolis prospered due to its role as the seat of government and the port of trade. From a town of 40 houses, it grew, adding first small principally framed buildings in the First Quarter of the century, and larger onestory and twostory dwellings built more frequently in brick. It is past the midcentury mark in august of 1751 whoops, there is a view of annapolis, and another one. We are getting to 1751. There we are. 19yearold George Washington and his brother, lawrence, made their first recorded trip to annapolis. He would have seen a small town with about 100 houses. It is not recorded where they slept, but for certain, the architecture they thought would not have seemed unfamiliar to them. Lawrences home overlooking the potomac in some ways, it was better. It was a frame house, but there was many frame houses in annapolis at that time. Its size, 30 feet by 40 feet. Two rooms deep, said it apart from middling architecture, as did its interiors, a fullypaneled chamber and a large, it 18 foot by 18 foot hall and the list by plaster paddling. Only just now making its appearance in the colonies, by 1750. Our investigation has been revealing fragments of the paddling behind a 1760 would paneling. Paint analysis let me stop for a second. There we go. There it is. Got to be that. What youre seeing here is a rail from 1760. You can see into the void behind the chair ramp, and you notice there is another chair rail behind it, most likely from the 1734 period, and at the bottom edge of it, you can see it has been overwritten i plaster. That is part of the plaster paneling. Paint analysis suggested dates to the time of lawrences residency, probably in the mid1740s. And you can see here that you have o. G. On the edge, and here is more of that. This is actually a corner of the panel that has been the molding has been struck to make it look like it was wood or stone. The next earliest example of such paneling in the region is found in the house of carol in annapolis. The popularity of plaster paneling in the region does not peak until the 1760s. This discovery shows that but washingtons were not lagging behind their peers. They were leading them. In the middle of the century, they had begun to utilize the distinctive house plan that scholars have termed the annapolis plan. The hallmarks of the plan are a placement of a pair of entertaining rooms. There was a partition wall. These would have been paired entertaining rooms as well. Often, overlooking a garden, and an abbreviated entry that serves as a public space. The plan at mount vernon also places this is the earliest as you can see, 1734 to 1757 the plan places the principal rooms in the rear of the house. This arrangement would have been in place during lawrences residency. I make no assertion that the nascent annapolis plan influence the design of mount vernon or vice versa. In 1757, after taking tendency of the house, George Washington ordered redwall paper for the dining room, 18 feet by 15 feet. Two years later, he makes reference to the little dining room that used to be, suggesting that it was he, not lawrence nor their father, who assigned this function to the large room at the rear corner of the house. The move placed both public rooms, the dining room in the hall, to the rear of a house, creating a spatial arrangement any and a politician annapolitan would recognize. The central passage was divided between an entry lobby and a stair hall. I want to go back so you can see here that the history that is handed down when the ladies get the house is that there was a wall here that washington takes out. The story asserts sorry. Exceeds me. Oral history asserts it was originally divided between a lobby and stair hall, a rather annapolitan configuration. George washington removed the partition to create a through passage we have today. If so, if these are two stories, he created a hybrid plan, combining the standard elements of a Traditional Center passage plan with elements of the regionally to cuyler annapolis percolator annapolis peculiar annapolis plan. It put him in contact with a number of annapolitans involved in the operation of the war. After his retirement from the militia in 1758 and his marriage following year, washington had less contact with these marylanders. The opportunity to reestablish acquaintance with these men arose when his stepson, john rep. Kuster s john park moved to maryland. He accompanied the reverend, who took over saint and church in the city, moving his tutoring business from caroline county, virginia. The intervening decade had been a transformative one for annapolis. During whats, the city became the uncontested center for economics in the upper chesapeake. Planters had begun to diversify and became less resistant to the growth of towns. Where commerce and services began to flourish. Creating in turn a growing merchant class. Annapolis of the 1760s was no longer merely a sleepy home for the biannual meeting of the legislature. It became a hub of thriving artisans dealing and luxury goods and making cash money. This profit fueled a boom in the building trades, and witnessed the construction of middleclass housing. A 1762 account put the number of dwellings at around 200, noting the houses are generally old, illbuilt, with very little trade. Less than 10 years later, the number of houses had grown to between 400 and 500, with an english word resident writing the buildings in annapolis were formerly of small dimension, and inelegant construction, but now, there are several modern edifices that make a good appearance. In a few years, it will probably be one of the best built cities in america. The most impressive change was in first year housing tier housing. There began an unspoken competition between the elite families of the city. Brick houses rose above the block of midland wellington commercial structures. No less than 900 elegant piles were built between 1762 and 1774, with a few others begun but unfinished by the time the war shutdown construction. Into this explosion of architecture came George Washington in 1771, beginning a threeyear period in which he visited annapolis several times annually. As always, in early october, when he attended the fall races. The biannual horse races were a decadesold tradition that tempted many horse owners to compete for substantial prizes. Washington was immediately drawn into the condition, wagering at cards, and attending multiple Theatrical Productions each time he arrived. Washingtons route to annapolis began a float. On september 21, 1771, he ferried across to the manner where he died before riding onto melwood park, the home of ignatius, williams first cousin. The manner does not survive. So little is known of it. It was constructed in 1715. It barely survives, but it does survive. It was constructed in 1715 as a lightly framed house, probably of two rooms with a garrett, and expanded out at the gable ends in spurts, similar to the way mount vernon first received onestory additions that were later replaced by substantial twostory we. It nations completed ignatius completed a lift of the roof, reminiscent of Mount Vernons growth. The raising the rephrasing was only on the front side, leaving the steep pitch of the 1750 roof on the rear. Rear. 5 roof on the you can see it over there. It is breathtaking to see in person. Actually, i will say that when i worked on this building, in this building for the state of maryland, and engineer came and immediately said the read had to be taken down and rebuilt in steel because there was no smell load snowload in the framed her. I said when the roof is like this, what snowload will there be . [laughter] washington rode at the rest river home of a merchant he had done business with for at least a decade. Although it had yet to receive this, tulip hill pill was still impressive, with a high hipped roof and classically inspired pediment, all featured shortly to be incorporated at mount vernon. Washington accompanied galloway to annapolis that afternoon, where the latter was to raise his famous horse, silly and, one of the two must him as horses continent. Washington had arranged to lodge with the reverend voucher at the rectory on hanover street. The building was over two years old and built on the northeast edge of town where the development grew sparse. The next day, september 24, selene raced in a heat for the Jockey Club Purse of 100 guineas, coming in third. Selene had started racing in the early 1760s and was 12 years old at this point. It does not sound so bad. Washingtons accounts make no specific account of how he did at the rate. [laughter] mr. Reinhart the visit continued after the excitement of the big race was done. He died each day at it dined each day at a different house. Dr. George stewart, brotherinlaw of william diggs, who lived about 10 miles outside of town on the south river. John, secretary of the former governor horatio sharpe, charles carroll, perhaps the wealthiest man in town with a sprawling house overlooking spa creek. At the home of the impressively named daniel of st. Thomas jenifer, although where he was living, he had a Beautiful House in the next year that he purchased. Where he was living this year is unknown to me. Each evening, he attended a play or a ball, and sometimes both. On his homeward journey, he overnighted again to tulip hill, arriving at mount vernon on the afternoon. He picked up architectural ideas. Certainly gained or strengthened social and political connections that would aid him in the upcoming revolution, but it lost at cards. 13 pounds, four shillings. Win some, lose some. He lodged with governor robert eden. He lived in the big, impressive house, now lost, but somewhat documented before demolition. The scale of the large midcentury dwelling conveyed the air of power and permanence. Across the back of the building was an exceptionally large room measuring 17 feet, seven inches, by 48 feet, two inches. The projecting bay. You can see that they hear. And here is a plan of the house. That shows that large room right here. It looks as if there were two bangs that the partitions to break the space into two. That would have been a large room in the back. Called the long room. On the inventory taken of governor edens property after he was forced from the city in june 1776. The room contained a big deal of fracture and art, multiple looking glasses, and a stove that sat upon a marble slab. The function of the room was surely multifold. The type of room known as a saloon or saloon room that had been popular in the homes of english elites for over a century, and that was found in the dwellings of governors of other colonies like virginia and massachusetts. A cause i room of state and the private home a quasi room of state in a private home. He dined with edward lloyd the fourth, northeast of the state house. Lloyd, a wealthy planter on the Eastern Shore of maryland, had just purchased the unfinished building from samuel chase, who had hired any which builder to design and execute the ambitious threestory house, the first of its kind in the city. Upon purchasing this, lloyd engaged architect and builder william buckland, and oxford born joyner brought to virginia in 1755 under a fouryear indenture to execute the interior of the home of george mason, George Washingtons neighbor. He quickly rose to the more vaunted status. He designed and finished several interiors and possibly some exteriors in the chesapeake region over his 20 year career. At the time of his death, his workshop included about a dozen free and enslaved craftsmen. Although the interior woodwork on lloyds house would not have been finished, and there is no record of the men visiting the site, washington would have known him from his work, and he and lloyd must have discussed the monumental plans for the property. That is really just an excuse. I wanted to be able to show you this. [laughter] as completed three years later, the house was still a showpiece. It was and still is a showpiece with a double stair that returns on the landing late by a large venetian window. The interior was finished with an abundance of carved woodwork. All of this is executed, including carving on the shutters. And exquisite ornamental plaster ceilings executed by john rollins. Highly skilled professional just arrived from london. The following year, washington, in 1770 three, washington visited annapolis three times in april, may, and of course, september, october. Lodging again with governor eden each time. He ventured out of town to his wartime acquaintance, horatio sharpe, the former royal governor of maryland. Sharpe lived in this interesting dwelling called whitehall, which began life in 1765 as a pavilion for entertaining the governors guests from annapolis. The form of the structure comprised of a square Central Block and a pro porch executed in the corinthian order with two slightly shorter wings, really makes it more of a than house. It held an entertaining room with flanking parlors in the wings. The interior finishes are enriched, feature enriched wooden trim and ornamental plaster. After his retirement from office in 1769, sharpe resided at the site. A fivepart house through the addition of dependencies. The fall visit of 1773 consisted of the normal rounds of races, dining, dances, and drama. Governor eden provided lodgings again. The following year, washington did not attend the races. They had been postponed due to the meeting of the First Continental Congress in philadelphia. Delegate washington of virginia stopped to dine in annapolis on his way north and on his way home again at the end of october. He did not return to annapolis for the duration of the war. He chose instead to travel via alexandria and Upper Marlboro and baltimore. He returned to annapolis in 1783 to undertake the bittersweet task of resignation. The act meant the long return to private life, but it brought to a close the most Memorable Events of his life up to this time. Congress met in the maryland state house. The statehouse was and is governmental marilyns showpiece, marylands showpiece. The upper house was the jewel and the crown, finer than it was prodigious sibling. During the construction of the building in the 1770s, the Senate Chamber was described as being too opulent to be a public building, but this was annapolis. The private building boom had dried up with the start of the war. And construction on the statehouse, begun by a near colony in 1774, continued under the auspices of a state of the worlds newest nation. The craftsman who design, traveled, hammered, and plastered domestic architecture into existence before the war now had only one major outlet, the statehouse. The result was a sufficiently was sufficiently dignified tone was one of the message ordinary acts in history. The resignation was accomplished before the assembled congress, which sat in chairs on the floor of the chamber. Visitors crowded in the gallery above. The general faced the president of the senate, who sat on a niche in the north wall. Accounts mention the generals emotional state. His hands shook as he held the speech. His voice broke. Having now finished the work assigned me, i retire from the great theater of action, and bidding and affectionate farewell to this august body, under whose orders i have so long acted. I hear offer my commission and take my leave of all the employments of public life. After the event, general washington was literally and figuratively history. His horse awaited him outside, and he immediately left the statehouse, left the city, and traveled directly to mount vernon, where it building project awaited him. The mount vernon he returned to was not the mount vernon he had left in 1775. He had sketched a little drawing before his departure depicting a house that was twice as large as the one he and martha lived in since they were married. The house had there it is. My little extra picture came up. The house had doubled inside from the addition of two wings north and south. It was now graced with a grand pediment containing an offside window, like the one at tulip hill, and a coupelow that is what washington called it. A feature normally associated with public architecture, but used on some houses, like Shirley Place in massachusetts. The overall effect received mixed reviews from washingtons contemporaries. His friend, brian fairfax, had praised the house as uncommon when there had always appeared too great a sameness in our buildings. Another visitor stated it is a pity he did not build a new and i once. [laughter] when the general arrived home on christmas eve, 1783, the north wing remained an empty shell. There is no archival evidence for what purpose he had in mind. But the framing of the edition indicates that from the start, he intended it to enclose a single first war room measuring 23 feet by 32 feet with an uncommonly high ceiling. So the evidence for that is up here at the top, which runs around three walls, but at this lower level, intermediate birth at the height of 16 feet, six inches above the floor framing of the room. That is the height of the ceiling. That was incorporated in the initial design, telling us that the room was planned to be the size and scale from the beginning in 1775. The intention for the space is clearly to function like governor edens long room, a large, impressive, flexible room for social events. Movement on the new room, the completion of the new room, as he called it more than 50 times and documents, remained slow in 1784. Washington began with craftsman in the spring, looking to contain new lien injured workers from abroad. It was open to men of any origin as long as they were good workmen. He looked to maryland to find them. He was familiar with the capabilities of the tradesmen of annapolis, but he must have known that the war had shifted the balance of economic power to in the state next door. That was supposed to go in with the social events. [laughter] although, im sure the general would never have hosted a party like that. [laughter] the balance of power, economic power, had shifted. Baltimore had surpassed annapolis. After two decades of expansion, the capital had reverted back to its life as a sleepy town that awoke only when the legislature arrived. Washington followed all of this to the newspapers, but he also had a man on the ground. His former aide to camp. He was born just outside of easton on the Eastern Shore, but settled into business in baltimore after the war. Baltimore was a most rapidly growing city in the young republic, and therefore, was a place where in venture tradesmen were arriving daily. On march 24, washington requested tillman purchase a house joiner, brick layer, and plasterer of character, saying rather militarily that the request will be enforced, complied with, or countermanded. Maybe he was missing the army a little bit. [laughter] the request was not countermanded anytime soon, but it provided it proved an impossible task. Washington had written another correspondent about his thoughts on finishing the room. I inclined to do it in stucco, if i can taste in england. His desire was to have the room finished in the neoclassical style, which relied on both ornamental plaster and composition ornament, a new technique that used glue based putty pressed into molds to make an ornament that would be glued to surfaces, elite heating the need to labor or you sleep handcarved wooden trim. In may, washington wrote tillman the baltimore papers swarmed with advertisements of them, i should be obliged to you if you would be so good to purchase any such workman skilled in stucco work. Or plaster of paris he must be a master workman to answer my purpose. The request worried tillman. For such a man must be perfect. Otherwise, he will deface what he ought to decorate. Tillman could not complete his mission. The topic went quiet for more than a year. Disappointed by attempts to washington began negotiations with an established baltimore plasterer, john rawlings. Rawlings had emigrated from england to annapolis around 1770, describing himself in newspaper advertisements as a plasterer and stucco workers late arrived from london and offering work being done as meat as in london, just what the general ordered. Whether he was aware or not, washington had seen rollins work. He executed exquisite plasterwork for lloyds house, which washington possibly saw on visits to the city. And stylistic similarities strongly suggested he created the longlost plasterwork of the Senate Maryland state house, which washington assuredly saw. By 1784, romans had moved to baltimore. Rollins had moved to baltimore. As washington had never met rawlins, he again turned to his source for all things maryland. As i seem to be in the habit of giving you trouble, would you be so obliging as to give me your opinion of mr. Rollins with respect to his diligence as a workman . Whether he is reckoned moderate or high in his charges . The reply was positive but may not have been what washington hoped for in regards to price. He is a man of reputation and business, an esteemed workman. There are many specimens of his abilities and annapolis. He is the only one in his profession and therefore makes his own terms. I cannot find he has been reckoned exorbitant. Translation, dont be a cheapskate, general. Hes worth it. [laughter] mr. Reinhart the general responded with resignation. I know we are always in the power of workman. The design drawn up by rollins showed him to be the master tillman had promised. The artisan was as comfortable in the delicacies of neoclassical expression as he had been in the heavier arrangement of the baroque work he produced in annapolis a decade before. All of the rooms would work is elaborated by the application of baseboards, chair rails, doors, and window surrounds. Rollins masterstroke was above. He designed coast ceilings for the room. The ceiling features a central rondell surrounded by delicate arabesques. Around this is a frame. The overall design is conventionally neoclassical, but rather than employing the typical trope of military trophies, it is rich with a agrarian symbolism, farm tools, wheat sheaves. There is a message. The message it sends is symbolic, like the fabled roman general did of old, americas savior, who attended her birth in war, has returned to the plow. As an epilogue, washington made his last visit to annapolis in march of 1791. He had spent the night on a ferry from the Eastern Shore, run around in a terrible storm. A small boat put out in the morning to rescue him and take him to the capital. Not an auspicious start. On his last trip to the city that had given him such enjoyment 20 years before, he visited the site of his worldfamous acts of selflessness and recorded rather melancholic leak in his diary melancholicly in his diary before dinner, i walked to the statehouse, which seems most out of repair. The capitals fall from grace was thankfully complete. Her status as backwater, accomplished for us the preservation of the buildings and landscapes the general new and so enjoyed. Thank you. [applause] any questions . I would be happy to answer. A microphone is winding its way thats an interesting lecture. Thank you. [laughter] well, it seems that George Washington traveled to annapolis usually over land. Let me come around to saying the areas in by boat . Mr. Reinhart the trip to annapolis could be accomplished with a single overnight. After the resignation, he made it he left at noon from annapolis, overnighted in queen anne in maryland, and made it back to annapolis that next day. So, it was a short trip over land. If you went by boat, im not sure how long it would take, but it probably would have taken at least a week. You have to sail down to the potomac and then back up around the chesapeake and all the way up, so it was long. I mean, we can go back and look at our maps. So if he were going to so here is here we are down here. He had to kind of run over like this, right . He would have had to sail all the way down here, and then sail all the way back up in order to get to annapolis, so it was a much shorter journey by land. Any other questions . Yes sir . [indiscernible] the origin is there a particular individual who designed that . Mr. Reinhart not to my knowledge. It is just a pretty little window is what it does. Reminiscent of an oculus. It is a decorative touch. Any other questions . All right, sir . Over here . Some of the plasterwork looks almost impossible, like a twig that sticks up in space. A mold would have to fit under it against the ceiling and have to be removed without breaking it. Mr. Reinhart are you talking about lets see, perhaps the one on the green is what im thinking youre thinking about. So, well, so there is that. That one . Yeah [indiscernible] mr. Reinhart so, they worked in wet plaster. There is two waste work plaster. You can cast pieces and then stick them into wet plaster on the surface, and they can sometimes be tied in with males. This sort of treatment is principally going to be a combination of pieces being put in place, and then they are going to lay wet plaster on the surface and carve the plaster as it dries to create the more delicate fulllength pieces. What i thought you were getting at is the composition. Those pieces are formed in a factory, in the mold, and they are glued on and picked out. It was just delicate work. Actually, carving the semi dry plaster to the shape you want. Any other questions . Over here . [indiscernible] mr. Reinhart mel. He did no, he did not do the plaster at kenmore. Kenmore was owned by washingtons brotherinlaw, and he had an indentured plasterer, washington had an indentured painter. They swapped craftsman. They discussed the plasterer in their correspondence and referred to him as the stucco man. And they never give the stucco man a name. They just refer to him as the stucco man. My personal opinion is that he has got to be of irish origin. It looks like the sort of stuff you see in dublin and the country houses in the same time period. To be fair, rollins did all the designs for the new room. Washington one of the courses washington tried, he was in correspondence in ireland. He said i have got this guy. Hes really good. Hes a plasterer. You can bring him over. Washington decides not to do that. Washington and rollins meat cured he sends the design to washington approved the design. Time for the work to be executed. And there is a knock on the front door, and the door opens, and the guy says hey, general washington, im Richard Tharp and he is the irish plasterer. Washington was not very happy by that at that point. He wanted rawlins to do the work. The correspondence is back and forth. It is also thought up. Ultimately, washington accepts that rawlins is incapable at this point in his career of doing the work. I dont know what his age was, but he got by the end of the 1780s, and he might have been in ill health by this point or a clearly, washington got his moneys worth. Ok, thank you. Mr. Reinhart thank you. [applause] you are watching American History tv, all weekend every week and on cspan 3. To join the conversation, jonas cspan on facebook at history. Tonight, on afterword, peter looks at theelman ,ourts excessive fines and fees the criminalization upon the in america. He is interviewed by georgia congressman hank johnson. Was poverty an issue in terms or thewar on drugs victims of the war on drugs . Sure. How did poverty play into that . What happens to families, what have ends to the men who have been locked up in all the collateral consequences. They cant get jobs. They are not allowed to live in public housing. 45,000 laws across the country are collateral consequences of one kind or another. It destroys somebodys life. If they werent poor when they went into prison, they are definitely povertystricken for the rest of their lives. Its totally connected to poverty. Tonight onterwords book tv on cspan 2. In 2014, 5 former u. S. Secretaries of state and secretary john kerry took heart in a groundbreaking ceremony for the u. S. Diplomacy center. A museum is scheduled to open in 2019. Up next, we visit the centers artifact storage area to learn about the history of american diplomacy. A curator and historian selected key items just help to help tell the story. We love passports. We have many in the collection. We have a fantastic story about the owner of this passport. We do. It is the second oldest passport we have in our collection. Its unusual on many counts. He was going over to europe thatse his profession was he was into drygoods. He was a job or a jobber. Him, it was clothing. If you think of you new york , this is whenime see immensely wealthy the wealthy people emerging and theres a market for fine cell, for beautiful gloves. That is what he would do. Bringld go to paris and that back to new york city where he had a store intern tribeca. That was the error where you would not go to shops. If you were a person who had a smaller shop, you would go to obber and you would take it to the boutique shop. Designsee stamps and the. This is such a unique design. Pattern avenue sunburst in the United States of america wording around it, that is not the great seal at the time, but it is a decorative element that was applied to passports. Also unique at the time was that the secretary of state signed the passport. Personally [laughter] always er thing, i one of the thing i was love about these old passports is there were not photographs attached, so he had to describe his features. There werent any standardized terms. He just answer the question of what is the shape of your warhead your four head or what are the color of your eyes are the shape of your chin or your nose. He said he had a straight nose and a round chant and a noble face. What is interesting about him, show them the photograph. Right, he has a beard. [laughter] so for the official who was identifying him with your around mouth and your chin, there you go, big old beard. Itshe cspan bus continues capitals tour this month with stops in raleigh, columbia, atlanta, and montgomery. We revisit we visit with state officials. And join us for our stop in north carolina. Our washington journal guest is attorney general josh stein. Universityanford Professor Emeritus on world war ii strategy. He is the author of freedom from fear, the American People in depression and war 192919 for the five. 19291945. This is an hour. Good morning. A pleasure to see all of you here for what i think will be an interesting and even inspiring lecture by our distinguished historian, dr. Kennedy