Added at the lincoln memorial, then marched to the pentagon. More than 600 protesters were arrested, including norman mailer, who would later when a Pulitzer Prize win a Pulitzer Prize for his book on the march. The vietnam war, how much dissent. To theines resistance war, with footage of demonstrations, interviews, and portions of a press conference by blended johnson. They raise their voices. Hundreds of protesters are sometimes arrested area are sometimes arrested. Which perhaps go beyond the limits of rebelliousness. Week, the vietnam war. How much dissent . Heret that story, with that story, our abc correspondent. John hardly a day goes by without a new report of another demonstration or protest against the vietnam war. Hardly a day passes when those who support the war wonder how much dissent is too much . How far can they go when expressing this opposition . The question is as old as socrates. Opinion familiar as the as Oliver Wendell holmes that the right of free speech does not give people the right to shout fire falsely in a crowded theater. We address ourselves to this important question on a report this week. John scali will return in one minute. Outside the Justice Department in washington, on reverend william anene urged william slo urged young men to turn in their draft cards. Others wereree arrested for aspiring to aid young man to abate in the draft. To evade the draft. This was the reverends reaciton. Reverends reaction. We want to try and demonstrate that many aspects of the war and the law are really unconstitutional. How can a christian oppose the law of the land . One, from a religious perspective, never surrenders ones consciousness to the state. Our puritan forefathers came to this country because they were dedicated to the notion of this country. From a religious point of view, without it, creation would be chaos. Therefore, the light reflects and doesnt reject this. Therefore, one is more concerned with what is right, but has respect for what is legal. If we are going to accept the legal punishment, then we are in fact supporting. You cannot say someone engaged in civil disobedience is trying to destroy the whole legal order. It hurts a little bit to be called unpatriotic. I served three years in the Central Intelligence agency and in the army. I always thought that i would try to serve my country. I dont want to ask a good men to die bravely in a bad cause. vietnam dissenters tolerated as compared with the situation in past wars how are the nondissenters tolerated as compared with the situation in past wars . Dissent is better in this war than a predecessor war. This does not mean the climate isnt showing some increasing hostility. War is unique about this that it is very unpopular, perhaps the most unpopular war in recent history. On of dissent on the part of government officials have tended to create an area in which government has had to tolerate dissent. Legal director of the American Civil Liberties union. Me thatu asked question, about two weeks ago, i wouldve said that general hershey and his Selective Service policy the government was behaving itself well. The indictments of dr. Spock and the reverend and the other three individuals led a very critical change of behavior. They have lost their cool. They have been reached by the criticism, affected and injured by it, which is the purpose of criticism, of governmental action in a free society. It doesnt really serve its full purpose. Clark, a strong administrative support are on vietnam, suppoerter on vietnam, his view. Think the question of a rally in this war i think the question of morality in this war has to accommodate itself to majority rule in a democracy. We have a place for Conscientious Objectors and for those who are immediately subject to the draft, when they can make peace with their conscience. God,rms of a man of placing his judgment of morality above and beyond that of the majority, i would think this could be a bit presumptuous. The tendency on the part of so is towinge of morality try and get the lord on their side. Abraham lincoln said, all i hope is that i am on the side of the lord. Right to beve a heard in court. That is part of the american system. People who do such advocating ought to be in jail. I dont know the facts involved, but anyone who advocates the thatng of draft cards, advocates and conspires the disobedience of the law, they ought to be punished. There are these pseudointellectuals on these college campuses. We do obey the law. Advocates theent disobedience of unjust laws, and that is the reason we have anarchy. Leader of a pacifist group. Wreck spock was greatly honored by the indictment. Honor to bes an indicted by a sense of the nation against the president who who hasped power, involved us in war without a declaration, who has violated campaign pledges. The head of selected service is at the center of a controversy involving the centers of the draft. Tohas told a draft board take away the deferments of registrants who interfere with Selective Service procedures. With these students participated in a set in in october of 1965, whjeen these students participated in a sitin in october of 1965, he explained his position. We have individuals, fathers, apprentices, farmers, being deferred. Time, we are threatening to interfere with violence or threats. It is a little awkward when you do for people to violence. Le toen you defer peop violence. Whether a student was using it as a Clinical Study in , it isory work inconsistent with the federal government having him attacking. Which come under the violations of the law. A deferment is not anything but a civil aciton. Civil action. You dont get a deferment unless someone gives it to you. The local board has a responsibility to see the individual got the deferment and that it lives up to the implied contract. And that you cant defer anyone unless you can expect them to obey the laws. Your critics say you are stifling dissent in this country. If this gets people to obey the laws, i am guilty. , tot is stifling consent make a person do what they are supposed to do, what the Congress Says they have to do, i am guilty. Hershey has substituted the Selective Service board for the courts. This is nonsense. This can determine whether crimes are committed. Of course. Put much stock in anything general hershey says. Many of them are advocating the right to make speeches in the guise of Academic Freedom. Doubts,e to resolve any it is not going to be resolved in the favor of this liberal, left wing, pseudocrowd. Shey think the general her ought to retire. Aspects ofhese Selective Service becomes a selfdefeating operation. Believe that ought to be the basis of any Selective Service system. It becomes a kind of Penal Service as a punishment for some law you may have broken. Well the views of president johnson and some of his critics when abc continues in one minute. The largest peace demonstrations in history was held last october in washington. As of them marched on the pentagon to protest the war. Rubin is a radical activist of the socalled left. We recently asked him his views. Lyndon johnson is a common murderer, who should be arrested. Movement peace the Peace Movement should reflect anger, it has to use the tactics of disruption. The American People are drunk with apathy because they dont care. Truman was committing mass murder in the 40s. The only people who are safe in this country are the people who are risk willing to risk their lives to stop this country from murder. Criticsmore moderate failed to distinguish between responsible and responsible dissent. There is a tendency to create be impression that you must for ho chi minh if you arent for president johnson. That you are either for us or against us. Your line up with the president , or the communist party. This is very dangerous. This attempts to point out the weaknesses and the fallacies of the policy and offer alternatives. It should be differentiated. Creating situations in our communities under the guise of dissent. This is one of the problems we face as dissenters. Do you think president johnson himself has been guilty of intolerance toward dissenters . I think so. He has said there is a right to dissent, but he has given the impression through language and allusions that if you do not it ist his policies, costing lives in vietnam and destroying the morale of troops. It is aiding and abetting the enemy. It contradicts his statement that there is room for dissent. Sayinge actions, he is the possibility of dissent is destroying it. President trump president johnson was asked about this on december 17th at hiuss news conference. I havent said anything that would indicate that. Think that some people are you responsible and make untrue statements. Maker irresponsible and untrue statements. There is a good deal of difference between criticism and responsible dissent and which wence, all of protect. Stormtrooper bullying of smashing windows and rowdism every time a person attempts to speak, to drown him out. We believe very strongly in the right to dissent. If i have done a good job of anything since i have been president , it is to ensure there are plenty of dissenters. [laughter] rightrying to preserve my to give the other side, i don;t t think one side ought to dominate the whole picture. Let us realize we are in the 500,000 a war, and that people are giving their lives to win that war. If you think that you can make a contribution to helping them by expressing your opinion and dissenting, do it. Secretary of state starts to explain his viewpoint, dont send out instructions allover the country. Dont send out instructions all over the country. Peoples intentions are good. We dont question motives. They have said pretty ugly things about us. People that live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. Views onrnor gave his the limitations of dissent in akron, ohio. Those who speak and call for communism in the name of Academic Freedom support aiding and abetting the enemy. If i was the president , the first thing i would do is have my attorney general track some of these professors and send them off to the penitentiary. [applause] i am not talking about honest dissent. Many of these people in these audience probably. You love our country. Many of you think we should be there because it is not in our interest. You are honest. There is a difference between honest dissent and treason. How has the Supreme Court ruled on the limits of dissent in wartime . Bob clark talked to a yield law school a Yale Law School professor. What chief Legal Precedents in past wars what are the chief Legal Precedents in past wars . First world war issued a pamphlet which denounced conscription, as they called it. He urged people to assert their rights and opposition to the draft. He was indicted for obstructing recruitment in the armed. He was convicted. Decision wasourts recognized by justice holmes, saying the off by First Amendment could not possibly protect all speech. Not shout fire in a crowded theater, and there should be some limitation. The clear and present danger test, and upheld the conviction. Workwear cases directly involved the amount how much more court cases directly involve vietnam . Bond had been refused his seat in the georgia legislator because of statement Georgia Legislature because of statements he had made. The question was whether those statements were protected under the First Amendment. Said, we are in sympathy with and support the men in this country who are unwilling to respond to the military draft. Thateme Court Statement was protected by the First Amendment, the Supreme Court held. Debbs case, it is my suggestion they would not be followed today. Court also held that statement does not violate the Selective Service act. It was too ambiguous and not specific enough. Question, that would be before the court. And some cases, which may reach them later. There will be a final comment in just one minute. Each of those we have heard on this program, from the agreeor, to jerry rubin, on the value and importance of dissent. Each has his own idea of where the line should be drawn between what is permissible and what is not. At the risk of stealing one more opinion, let me tell you what i think. I think we should not only tolerate the voices of dissent. Much of the president ial outcry against the vietnam war come from the young core genuinely troubled between the demands of society andy dicks much of the president ial outcry against the vietnam war come from the young who are generally troubled between the demands of society and their own conscience. And when they refuse to be drafted, or block centers, they are not only violating the rights of others, they are challenging the existence of an orderly society. If you feel so strongly that you are ready to pay the penalty of the law imposes if convicted, you deserve some severity and respect. If you resort to violence and a acts, andand illegal to seek to escape consequences, you are saying society isnt worth saving and contribute to anarchy. Justice holmes said my right to waive my arm ends when your nose begins to wave my arm is where your nose begins. Say what you please, that doing it is Something Else entirely. But doing it is Something Else entirely. John scali in washington. Vietnam war how much dissent . Week, when we will present a program on the state of the republican party, 10 months before the election. This has been a present tension a presentation of abc news. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2017] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] it is a long story. I was barely able to get back in service. A bunch jumped in. I am sure you will show this picture of them pulling me out of the lake. My arm is broken. Once they pulled me out, they werent very happy. Because i had just finished bombing the place. It got pretty rough. Kneeoulder i hurt my again. Them. I dont blame we were in a war i didnt like it. At the same time, when you are in a war and captured by the enemy, you cant expect to have tea. 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