Our candidates are republican kim guadagno and our moderators at w. Pbi anchor jim gardner. Good evening and welcome to the debate between republican and Democratic Senate for governor of new jersey. Questions for our Media Partners univision wb geoand Rutgers University. Every poll shows property taxes are the number one issue for the people in the state of new jersey. At the end of the year 2 cap for raises for fireplace will expire. Local Officials Say letting it expire will lead to tax height. What will you do for tax city this is a great state that has been ravaged by the administration of the past eight years. The middle class has had the biggest price. Choices has been made to defend the Big Companies in the wealthiest among us in the middle class. Infrastructure has been ignored and were in an unfair state. If one looks at the property tax bill in addition to the 2 cap, the tax bill and average in this States Education funding. We will fully Fund Public Education in the state. It has been underfunded by over 9 billion over the past eight years. Theres a report coming out in december that will assess all sides of the 2 question. We want to make that based on facts, making sure we have all sides of the argument together. I too would like to welcome everybody thank you for having me. I want to directly answer the question that you put to phil murphy. One i have yet to hear him answer. That is, i would extend the arbitration cap because it saves the taxpayers of new jersey billions of dollars. Not billions, billions of dollars. As i look at the people listening here tonight i know the number one issue facing them today is Property Tax Relief and i know we have the highest property taxes in this country. An answer to the arbitration question is only one part of the answer. We also need to lower property taxes. My platform is to lower property taxes on the people who need the taxes lowered the most. The most vulnerable Senior Citizens, millennials, workingclass families. Is this based on the facts which will do, property taxes are up 17 . Incomes in the state are down 5 on average. We have among the weakest economy in the country. The cost to send kids to college is up 20, healthcare premiums are up over 40. Nj transit fares are up. So Property Tax Relief is urgently needed for seniors, the middle class, across the board. Lets make that decision based on the facts. The biggest move we can make is to fully Fund Public Education which has been underfunded by over 9 billion. The facts are in, over the fax eight years the 2 tax and arbitration clause have had control over property taxes. It has not lowered property taxes, its still an effort and means by which we can lower property taxes. People listening have a right to know where you stand on the arbitration clause. They know that if we goes back to to the days of tim mcgrady will see a property tax increase each year, every year. I want to follow up. Recently President Trump rolled out a tax plan and a calls for an overhaul of the u. S. Tax code and tax cut that eliminates 18 deductions. This would in the ability of taxpayers to deduct the income and property taxes they pay to state local governments. Whats your take on the plan . This is devastating for new jersey. The Republican Congress is pushing this every step of the way. As you point out, if the state local deduction is a limited, new jersey is victim state number one. If the healthcare bill would have become law, victim state number one wouldve been new jersey. We need our friends in the Republican Party to stand strong and make sure they stand up in our county. This would have a devastating impact. The impact on average in the three or 4000dollar per year, per family which is incredibly burdensome in the weak economy that we have today. I hope the Lieutenant Governor and governor christie and bolden there Republican Congress. Two voted with trump this last week to get everybody together to make sure it doesnt happen. The president s tax plan has to do with the national base. Relief needs to be have her property texted actions a mess because we have the highest property taxes in this country. So murphy has no plan. Murphy has said in the past that in order to lower property taxes people in new jersey need to make more money. Or phil murphy has said in order to lower property taxes we need to fully fund which in his own words tonight was 9 billion. I suggest to the listeners to look to their right and left because 9 billion is coming for you if phil murphy is elected governor. The people of new jersey are taxed enough. We need to provide tax relief and do it now. The 9 billion actually, choices have been made by governor christie in the Lieutenant Governor every step of the way. Theyve chosen to give out tax incentives to large corporations in our state for over a billion dollars. Theyve chosen to give the wealthiest among us tax breaks. All that at the expense of the middle class. I left the state bankrupt, state thats ravaged. The reason we dont have the money to fully fund higher education, education or infrastructure, is because this Administration May choices to favor the wealthy among us. We want to reverse that. The first thing we can do is to have a thriving middle class. The way we do that is to lower the property taxes. I dont how many times ill come back to it tonight. The number one problem facing new jersey todays property taxes. The murphy doesnt have a plan, i have a plan to help the middle class people. I call him property taxes intention. A generation of questionable tactics by governors and rulings by the courts but the new jersey system on a catastrophic path. According to metrics the worst funded pump Pension System in america. In the 2020s, we could see the funds for state employees and teachers to be depleted. Do take a quarter of the state budget to fend punch pensions on a yearly basis . Do you raise taxes . Or do you impoverish 800,000 people . These are intolerable choices. But the next governor will need to figure it out. It is a crisis. To fully fund the pension healthcare we would need 15 billion out of 34 billiondollar budget. We know thats not realistic. I know promises were made in the primary that he would fully fund the pension and health care, what i would do is talk about it honestly and openly and sit down not just with the First Responders the talk about it honestly. Right now were hiring 21 your kids to teach in our school of promising them a pension that we know they will not have. We need to talk about it thoughtfully and respectfully and realistically. On our commitment to the 800,000 people and also talk realistically to what happens to that 21yearold child who is going into the Pension System now and will not have a pension. We are state that people no longer trust. Things have been left at the altar, agencies have downgraded our ratings during the christie a good on a administration 11 times. If that werent enough, college seniors. We have to get back to being the state that folks trust and respect again. We can keep leaving the folks at the altar and then say ill meet my end of the application if you make more concessions. Thats not in the category. So we will fund our pension obligations because its the right smart thing to do. We cannot do the damage this administration has brought unless we can find the trust, respect and strength. Of the question is how will you fully fund that . We have a very credible plan to fund these as rapidly as possible. At least a whole lot faster than this administration. Forgive me, ms. Guadagno, your rebuttal. In the primary he said he would fully fund the pension. For gonna talk about trust us talk about what he said. He said he would fund those as soon as he could. Quite frankly, that sounds like the Chris Christie plan. I think we need to sit down and talk about what we can afford to do and how we can afford to talk about it. Tom burns has a good plan to make those pension solvent. But that has to be executed in a thoughtful and respectful way. This is an administration which has vilified publicsector employees. Educators should be up on a pedestal and they been vilified from a state years. So i ask where of you been . You been alongside governor christie for every step of the way. Theres a bit a new surrounding President Trump recently, i like each of you to take 30 seconds to answer this question. Your governor of new jersey, you have 30 or 40 seconds with the president and the oval office. Actually will go to miss guadagno first. Very quickly, i would say please fund the infrastructure you promised at the beginning. We need the gateway tunnel. We have trillions of dollars of reasons for getting along with this governor. I like what hes doing with regulatory reform. I love his idea funding apprentice programs because one of the probe problems we have is middle skills. I would tell the president to please fund the infrastructure is in we can do other necessary programs. I dont how phil murphy will make that argument since hes had a fight with the governor since the day he ran for office. Mr. Murphy. I would employ him every step of the way to fund infrastructure. I would say beaver dreamers alone. They were healthcare alone. Enough of the tax cuts. Of the wealthiest among us. This is the most wrongheaded president in the history of our country. For the tenth largest state in the nation. The most ever stayed in the nation. We have as much environmentally at risk as any other state. All the steps he has been taking our damaging lives. I hope his actions matches words on infrastructure. I think thats one area i could find common ground. We asked voters to submit questions by way of twitter. This what is your plan to prevent gun violence . Including mass shooting. We have a gun crisis in this country. We see it in big events like the tragedy in las vegas. Its also a daily drumbeat in our state in communities up and down the state. Im strongly of the opinion that i would sign all of the gun safety less vetoed by the christie administration, keeping guns out of the hands of those convicted of domestic violence, carjackings, making terrorist threats. My kids are here tonight and they have to go through a lot to learn how to drive a car. Folks should go through a Training Program to discharge again. We should tighten up the background checks. 80 of the crimes in the state come from outside. Last week when those 58 innocent people were killed i heard from the Lieutenant Governor that now was not the time, i would say is not the time for them to lose their lives either. I think we have to start with the following. That is that 50 people lost their lives last week. Another 500 or so are still in the hospital. We need to remember this is not a political problem. This is a heinous act of a madman. We need to respect that. Thats the reason why did make it a political issue last week, unlike my opponent. So talk about what we can do in new jersey to avoid these insane acts. First we have the third mostly restricted gun laws in the country. You cant buy a bb gun without firearms permit. When a greater penalties and enforce the law. Most of the crimes are done with handguns. We need Better Mental Health background checks. In the case of the the nevada shooting, i would recommend the death penalty. You just heard from someone who has a rating of a from an nra. Up for the first time in my life to have been given an f from the nra. I reject completely this business that now was not the time for politicizing this. My god, these are innocent people getting killed every day. Now is exactly the time. I would just say, the Lieutenant Governor only moved after the nra said they be willing to ban these bump stocks. We have to get the law on the books. Fifty caliber weapons law. Even if we save only one life it will have been worth it. Ive been a federal prosecutor, a state prosecutor, no one knows better how to protect people in the state than me. And i do not believe the answer is to take guns out of the hands of honest, lawabiding citizens. I believe phil murphy has to answer the following question. If guns are so bad i is Goldman Sachs invested in gun manufacturers over the years. And how much has he profited by that investment . [applause] if i had your track record i would try to change the subject as well. This is about savings peoples lives. Lets stop changing the subject. Are you denying that Goldman Sachs and you profited off of. The opportunity to talk about this later. Right now, we have more ground to cover. Please audience, the problem youre creating is it takes time for you to express yourself and creates a delay on part of the candidates away lose opportunity to cover more material. Our next question is to miss guadagno. The Trump Administration released a number of demands tight immigration policies. Among his priorities, funding the border wall in exchange for protecting immigrants were brought to the u. S. As children also known as dreamers. These young undocumented immigrants have been protected from deportation which is due to expire next march. But what you do to protect the 22000 dreamers who currently live in new jersey . A new jersey now theres 20000 dreamers and they would be impacted by the president s executive order. What we have asked and the president has asked is to fix the problem. Its a congressional issue. I would use the bully pulpit to use and encourage our leaders, most were democrats in new jersey anyway to fix the problem so we dont have a constant uncertainty going forward. The one thing we have to do is make it affordable for them to live here. The way to make that happen is to lower taxes. My opponent said he would raise taxes. And that will hurt everyone of those 20000 individuals, as well as their families. About what would you do if theres nothing reached in washington on march 5 next year . What would you do specifically if there is no Congress Agreement by march 5 next year . I would follow the law. Im a former federal prosecutor and a former sheriff. Its our obligation to follow the law. But i would not do is make it more dangerous for lawenforcement officers and for people to live in the state by declaring it a sanctuary state. We have 22000 and were every bit of american as my four kids. This is a moral test, black and white. This is mr. President not the state of new jersey. Will stand up to this president. Will be a sanctuary that just city, but state. This is america. The america i know is the poem at the base of the statue of liberty. We open up for all to come here. 91 of these dreamers are either in education or working. They contribute 67 million of tax revenue, 1 billion to the economy. I will have their back, we will stand up to the president , hopefully his wrongheaded rightwing immigration package she just came out with which is the price we have to pay is unamerican. Please said very carefully what phil murphy had. He was asked specifically whether he would defend as part of his sanctuary state a child rapist who had killed four students in a parking lot by shooting them in the back of the head, three died. One survive. He said he would have their back. I wonder if he would have the backs of the individual who climbed into a second floor window two weeks ago in a sanctuary city in new jersey and raped a sixyearold girl. I will have their back and i will keep them safe. Those axing crimes are heinous. Those people need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Both all due respect, lets not tell halftruths or untruths about this. What happened to that little girl, is awful. Heinous, lets call it out for what it is. Its a crime and the person should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. What youre doing is donald trump doing. You pit us against them. You can cast over entire communities of people. The next question we welcome man from new jersey, his question goes to mr. Murphy. This is a question about unrealistic promises. You may promises for spending a policies and programs that you would need substantially to fu fund. And miss guadagno, you promised to cut taxes by spending one and half billion dollars, money that would come by auditing the State Government which suggests your administrations has been sitting on hundred millions of dollars of waste over the past eight years. In short, why should voters believe you and why shouldnt they believe your opponent. I appreciate the question. All at the Lieutenant Governor speak for her plan. Our plan is credible. You have to remind yourselves of the state of the state. This is an economy that is wrecked. Its been bankrupt and ravaged over the past eight years. The only winners are the Big Companies in the very wealthy. All we want to do is build the bridge to get back to investing again in what we used to do naturally, the middle class. So thats funny public educati education, meeting our pension obligation so were state with trust again. As we grow our economy, we dont grow, by an average comparison of the past eight years weve lost billions in economic money on the table. I want to grow sophisticated, economy in the 21st century. Quite simply, phil murphy cant keep the promises he made. Its been reported anywhere from 5000000000 35000000000 worth of entitlements have been propose by the murphy campaign. Its unrealistic. What i will do as governor is address the number one problem facing the people in new jersey. You can ask anyone, the number one problem facing us his property taxes. A steel the problem that faces them. 1. 5 billion is what we estimate it will cost. It will save the average taxpayer it hundred dollars. That might not be a lot of money to phil murphy but the people of new jersey need that help now. Lets have a discussion based on facts and evidence and truth. So youre proving that you were trump before trump was trump. The numbers you referred to have no basis in reality. Number two, your plan is interesting. It been alongside governor christie every step of the way for 2821 days. If its such a good idea, where have you been . It the last time a Goldman Sachs governor ran the state of new jersey we had 9. 8 unemployment. When this governor asked me. Ill start over. Those are your folks. The last time we had a Goldman Sachs governor in charge, we had 9. 8 employment. He asked me to be in charge of lowering the on employment rate. Today, even though we are the highest tax statement country on employment went from 9. 8 to 4. 8 . We have more people working today ever. The problem is they can afford to live here. Our next question comes from records university student. He has a question for ms. Guadagno. Good evening. As a student graduating me many missed fellow students are concerned about employment opportunities. I cannot hear. I can hear the question. Im sorry. What i just walk right on up. Careful,. Im a student graduating in may a lot of my fellow students are concerned about employment opportunity. As governor, what do you say about what the opportunities are in the state . Thank you. Hes a good sport. The answer to question simple. We have to continue to grow the economy by making it more affordable for you to live here. Weve set money in terms of growth and building buildings, 1. 6 billion. Need to work harder to make sure school is more excessive and affordable for you. When you come out of school you need opportunities. The way to do that is to lower the cost of doing business in new jersey. Lower the cost of living in new jersey make sure people can afford to live here. My opponents idea of living in new jersey is to make more money. Thats not realistic. My opponents idea of lowering property taxes so you can stay here and find a job here is to put 9 billion into the School Funding program. We need to continue to address the problems of jobs in new jersey. We have to move on. Great question. Before i get to, the reason why Unemployment Rate is so low, everybodys the soloist kids were at a tenure low labor Market Participation. Talking about the last governor have to be in there were step of the way is like talking about something Grover Cleveland did. At some point you have to on the record. Sir, great question. We the nation lead in exporting High School Seniors and college seniors. We need a stronger economy that works for everybody. The two big economies we think we can grow of the infrastructure and innovation economy. Want talk about amazon and the Big Companies but also the smaller startup cultures. We were Silicon Valley before there was a Silicon Valley. With 15 incubators in new jersey. That doesnt happen by accident. Those are policy choices. Were going to do more. The most tax state in the country we have been able to cut the Unemployment Rate in half. There more people working here in average than anywhere in the state of new jersey. We need to pay more attention to Small Businesses. Were gonna have an innovative economy. Lets create a startup economy as i has proposed, chief innovation officer would bring together the resources to make sure that we can grow organically rather than stealing from new york and new jersey. Phil murphy would raise taxes make it impossible for businesses to work here. The labor Market Participation is that a tenure low. With all due respect, we have fewer Small Businesses in new jersey than the day that you and governor christie took over leadership in the state. Those are two pesky facts which are. Our debate will continue right after this commercial break. The new governor will be elected this year after governor christie served to full terms. We welcome you back to the new jersey territorial debate. Why from the New Jersey Performing Arts Center in newark, new jersey. Will start with a question for mr. Murphy. Lets talk about a topic thats making major headlines. Your opponent charged the for years you have worked with weinstein to raise money and that he has contributed to your campaign for governor. The press report he has been accused of sexually abusing a number of women over some years. Have you partnered with him to raise money for the Democratic Candidates including yourself . If so what you plan on doing with that money . I didnt ask for it and i didnt get one time from the sky. What he has done is outrageous and heinous. I call and anybody who has gone contributions from to send them to organizations that are focused on womens rights in our country. I do not take one dime from the sky. In fact, he was going to be part of something and when we heard it something happened we dropped him and then we canceled the entire event. I want to take this opportunity to say the Republican Governors Association which is run ads against me has gotten at least 60000 from her friends at the nra this year. I find that unconscionable particularly with what happened over the past nine days. I dont have one dime for this guy. He is a predator. I have to take a second to applaud any woman who stood up under the pressure of the public and called it for what it was, which was a predator. His an awful, awful man. And i think we should applaud the women were brave enough to do that. In any other woman who has been victimized by him or anybody else should stand up and say what is happened so we can bring it into the light. Second i want to call him a coward. Phil murphy did not talk about it until the tens of thousands of dollars he raised as part of his position as a finance chair for the dnc. Shame on him for not coming forward earlier and helping those poor women, hes a coward. Our next question comes from john of new jersey spotlight, it goes to this is a question about education. The fact that new jersey has more than 500 separate School Districts has been appointed debate for decades. Yet little has changed to try to consolidate them. Despite arguments it could reduce property taxes a potentially bridge inequities and racial segregation in our state. What if any, specific steps to address the multitude of districts to promote consolidation. The first things we need to do is deal of property tax problems and we also do by reevaluating School Funding program. The third thing is consolidate cases and then also in some places where its appropriate, the high School District. Will cost billions of dollars which, by the way could pay for my 5 plan. This would be two or three ways we could immediately address consolidation. If you do this, weve done in belmar in Washington Township and borough. You can force it or do it by agreements. With the 2 cap, from the government it will force consolidations. Im sure would save a lot of money. Im shocked you worked property tax into your answer. A marco rubio moment there for me. The sad reality is that we are among the most segregated states of the nation. There are many reasons for the two principal reasons are underfunded Public Education, i know folks dont want to hear that but its written out of the middle class, i grew up working poor. My dream in life was to be comfortably in the middle class. Underfunding Public Education and kicking the Affordable Housing can down the road to the courts over the past eight years. With all due respect, getting those two policy areas into the right place of funding our big weight to get out of the segregated state ring. I think you can in sent School District and communities to share services. I believe that could be done it will be done. We need to demand School Districts to it. In a public service, towns could consolidate, police departments, anytime we can streamline government we should do it and do it now. People in new jersey cannot afford to continue to pay the christie taxes. Under phil murphys plan he will not sign the arbitration clause. He has all the facts he needs to make that decision now. We should demand whether or not he will sign that arbitration clause. If he doesnt, you know taxes will go and rise. A 7 rise every year. Again on consolidation, this is a big opportunity, where have you been . 2821 days. Youre there, im trying to get there. Theres a real opportunity we put together a plan when we had shared services. We need to leave it there. The next question comes from twitter, this is from renaissance susan. How will either of you reform new jersey the Port Authority, what would you do to fix it, would you be willing to raise fares . Theres no reason to raise fares. Let me framing met with the following observation, you have to look at the hand youre dealt, you think if youre dealt the following hand the densest state in the nation i one of the largest in the country in philadelphia, one thing you get right if you screwed us up would be commuter rail. Apparently thats not true. This administration has made choices. If underfunded nj transit by 90 . We put folks in there who dont have a background. Fares are up 36 . Your experiences up 36 . We need real leadership. We need transparency at the Port Authority and a governor who will give our fair share in that organization. Thank you. As a working mother, i had to take the 546 train to get to court on time i got a judge mad at me. Then i had to get a train homework at the babysitter mad at me. I know what it means to make sure the trains run on time. If not we get in trouble. The number one problem the governor has to be responsible for us to make sure the train runs on time. Inconvenient truth refill this Chris Christie is [inaudible] the ballot in november, i am. [applause] what i would do as governor would be disruptive, tear it apart and put it back together. Audit everything that goes on in transit make sure people are getting their moneys worth. People dont believe that getting the moneys worth of theres no evidence they are. Lets go back and redo it altogether. Were running out of time. The next question comes from doug doyle of wb geo. When it comes to climate change, both of you have said if elected you would have new jersey rejoin the regional Greenhouse Gas initiative. I was fortunate to only be a renter when super storm sandy displacement 2012. However homeowners had many choice to rebuild or elevate their homes. With powerful hurricanes missing us for serving the strong reminders, at some point the cost of rebuilding and protection exceed the benefit it produces. We have to get away from an economy that we as build houses and encourages the buildings of houses in areas that are at risk. Having said all that i want to talk about the program you talked about. In new jersey what we need to do is focus on our renewables and the only way we will focus on our renewables is if we get together and Start Talking about the number one problem in new jersey and that is job creation and the cost of living in new jersey. We cant bring an ecosystem to develop those renewables to take the place of things like oyster creek when they leave and if you dont start making it less expensive to do business here. Mr. Murphy. Whether it is the last question, jim or tony and this is a good question on sandy and the environment. Chris christies record is your record, Lieutenant Governor. You have been beside him every step of the way. You cant deny that. On this particular issue on the environment this is an administration that pulled us out of reggie, that could have pressed the button and made us the leader in offshore wind in america, not just not to. We now have a Solar Industry that used to be a National Leader which has slipped. Weve got huge Environmental Justice issues right here in newark is an example with little kids who have four times the rate of asthma because this administration has turned their back on them. We need an administration and leadership that understands how you do good and do wellin how you embrace the environment, not just to have a stronger state from an environmental standpoint but a stronger economy and the fraud in the letting down of folks that ive sat with in ocean county and its unimaginable. Thank you. Our next question is from the new jersey advanced media. He returned to the question for mr. Murphy. What does the state look like in the next four years under your administration . And we talking about Recreational Marijuana shops up and down main street, in the states or are we talking about total decriminalization where police are no longer arresting for possession or can voters expect to see the state and climate of where we are right now in four years what can voters expect to see . Matt, the most important frame in which we have to talk about legalization of marijuana is the social justice. I say this is much as a former National Board member of the naacp. We have the whitest white, nonwhite gap of persons incarcerated in america. We need comprehensive criminal justice reform. It is not the only thing we should do or cant do but low and drug crimes is the biggest contributor to that disparity. That is the reason we want to legalize marijuana, not because we can make money off it which is the last reason. Secondly, i am very happy that we are not the first state to have done this. To answer your question we talked about this recently. Colorado, nevada, washington, oregon, soon california will have other models of states that have done something smart and done some things that arent so smart. How you regulated, do you take the liquor model as an example. We still have to work. But weve got to get it done right. Not only do we have to do it for social justice but it must be done right. Thank you, mr. And eight. There is a better way than legalizing drug dealers. I am wholly opposed to legalizing marijuana. Having said that having said that i do believe that we can decriminalize it. That would solve the social justice issue that was just raised and i also would expand the medical marijuana program. It is onerous and hard to work with and its not available to those who should be made available to but the one thing i would not do is legalize a controlled substance and enable drug dealers in a state where we have three times the National Average of overdoses as a result of drug overdoses. I would not legalize it just to raise revenue. May i just say we have another question. The Enrollment Period for aca begins november 1st. It was reported today in the New York Times that the Trump Administration is slashing funds for new jerseys enrollment counselor program, theyre called navigators, by 62 . That is one of the hardest hit states in america for this cut of this program. How would you replace the money that the Trump Administration is asking or is taking away how would you help 300,000 new jersey people who purchased the healthcare on the marketplace in the absence of many of these navigators and enrollment counselors . We have added 530,000 people to the roles and it is always been my position, under the waiver, its always been my position that we should work very hard, no matter what replaces it in the matter what we call it to be sure that those 530,000 people dont have the rug pulled out from under them. We need to make sure that they get to pick their doctors and we need to make sure it is affordable for them. Our congressional leaders have to go back to washington like i would go as governor and fight for what is entirely ours. We are a donor state. New mr. Murphy, he is a singlepayer advocate and he believes the government, in particular trenton, is in a better position to pick your doctors than you are. I dont know about you but i think that is disaster waiting to happen. Not only because i want to pick my own doctors and i believe the public that is listening today due to but also because it is so expensive. If i had your track record, id make stuff up to. That includes your comment about singlepayer. [crowd boos] you also mention medical marijuana. You have been there every step of the way. I visited a dispensary three weeks ago and you and governor christie have dumbed it up and made it hard for people who are really sick to get the medical marijuana they need to make your life better. That is part of your responsibility as it relates to the help that is not true. President trump has been wrong in the Republican Leadership with Congress Every step of the way. The Affordable Care act is highly imperfect, even barack obama would say that but it is made in huge impact in the state. 800,000 people with health insurance, many for the first time, three and a half million with preexisting conditions just to cite two populations. We have to do everything in our power to push back against this wrongheaded resident and leadership in congress, new jersey as i mentioned if that law were to go through we are the state with a new governor that needs a steel background. Our debate will continue after this partial murphy. Live coverage here on cspan2. They will wrap up briefly. Welcome back to the district governors debate. The minimum wage in new jersey is about to go to [inaudible] i want to know about 15 an hour, minimum wage, are you for, against and what is your story. I am four. It needs to be phased in over a period of years so we dont get sticker shock to our Small Businesses and restaurants but i am absolutely for it. Even at 15 an hour to Household Incomes with two dependents barely at the poverty line. You are way under. It is very easy. Its the first time i heard phil say that he will face it in during the primary he said he would roll right in right away. The other thing i would my view is 15 milliman dollar wage will take away the jobs they are intended to protect. At least 30000 may be more will close crushes source, restaurants and it will hurt the Senior Citizens the most because they will have to pay more for their food. That is the time we have for questions and answers. The candidates will now have one minute. Closing statement by random draw, kim guadagno goes first. I want to talk to the people of new jersey. I want to talk about that 58 yearold woman, my age who is working two jobs yet still shopping at the food bank twice a month in order to put food on the table. I want to tell her that the selection is about republicans and not about democrats its about affordability, its about making new jersey a place where we can afford to live again my plan has been is simply to make it affordable. By preset Household Income and also to audit and get rid of the waste. My opponent bill murphy is a Goldman Sachs millionaire who pays 200,000 a year in property taxes. He is completely out of touch with the world and that 58 yearold woman lives in. This campaign and the selection is really clearly about one thing and that is whether we can afford to raise our families here and whether we can afford to have our children here and whether we can afford to have our grandchildren live in the state that we love. Mr. Murphy. [applause] only in america could a guy who grew up as i did find himself on the stage like this tonight. I am humbled and honored. We have heard to start visions, different visions, for the future of our state tonight. On the one hand more of the Chris Christie playbook where the middleclass is hollowed out and ravaged, Public Education isnt funded, if a structure is ignored and we become more unfair by the day. Or we could turn the page and we could change leadership. Leadership that celebrates you rebuild the middleclass and the bridges into the middleclass. Leadership that funds Public Education and infrastructure. Leadership that is inclusive and makes our state fair again for everybody and again, status stands the right things like funding planned parenthood, signing common sense gun safety laws and doing something about climate change. If that is the same vision you have, i need you. I humbly ask for your support on november 7. [cheering and applause] that brings us to the end of our debate. We thank you for watching and we thank the candidates for taking part. Thank you as well to our partners, new jersey advanced media, univision, new jersey spotlight, Rutgers University into our host, New Jersey Performing Arts Center. Im tony from Channel Seven in new york. Im jim garner from abc philadelphia. We urge you to exercise your right to vote on tuesday, november 7. Good night