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The house will come back to order and we will resume the 5minute question and answer period. Chair now mr. Chairman, i would like to ask unanimous consent to enter into the record statement from secretary bilsack stating that the wic program which is federally funded program administered by the states will expire for 7 million moms and children if the Government Shutdowns. Without objection, so order. The chair now recognizes mr. Fallon from texas for 5 minutes. Thank you, mr. Chairman. Words mean thing or at least they should. Here is joe bidens words from august 28, 2019. First of all, i have never discussed with my son or my brother anything to do with their business from september the same year, i have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings. Same year, i dont discuss business with my son. Were joe bidens words true . No, they were false. Why did he lie repeatedly . In an interview with the new yorker even hunter admitted that he talked to his dad about business specifically barisma, many Business Associates have testified that joe biden met with him two of the ones closer to hunter were among them. They not only spoke to them they took a lot of the Business Associates took photos with them. They played golf with him. Joe biden gave him white house tours and wrote letters of recommendations for their children and shared fancy dinners as well. Lets talk about patterns, they are russian, they were married. Russian oligarch billionaires, michael, u. S. Ambassador to russia, elanna, wires 3. 5 million to hunter biden. Who does she have dinner with, then Vice President joe biden. Very next day hunter biden buys a porshe, who does he have dinner with, then Vice President joe biden. The ceo and cfo of barisma, u. S. Ambassador to ukraine, a poster child of corruption. Those two fellows paid hunter biden Shell Company total of 3. 3 million and who do you think that he had dinner with me. Sayu with me at all once, then Vice President joe biden. Here is a pattern. Crooked foreigners that delivered cash and had dinner with joe. Joe biden is hell of an expensive dinner date. If thats not selling political access, i dont know what is. My democrat colleagues report add nauseam theres no evidence linking to sons crime. Really . Used by the fbi when confidential informants give them information. 1023 is only as good as the source. It can be garbage and gold. The fbi describes this source as somebody that is highly reliable and trust worthy. They workd with them for over a decade. What hes given to them is checked out. Re this, ladies and gentlemen, is gold. Ivan is not his real name. Directly admitted to hem that they hired a not so smart hunter biden to protect us, quote, through his dad from all kinds of problems and ivan speaks to ceo and confides that hunter biden will take care of those corruption issues through his dad. Joe biden calls shulkins removal. This is direct evidencef naked rruption andribery. Admitted to ivan that both pushed them to pay and keep hunter biden on the brd keep in mind they are confid conversations. And i doubt he knows tony bobulinski. Shelkin sees two homes, land and rollsroyce. When he was fired ukrainian president admitted in a phone call to none other than joe biden that joking he didnt do anything wrong but on your behalf we fired him and billion dollars of aid was given to ukraine. Hunter biden andnd the other members of the barisma board wrote a letter to the new themessage was sent and the s dedelivered. Mr. Dabinsky, you follow the money. If you were investigating this and looking at 5 milliondollar payment from barisma to joe biden, what kind of patterns would you be looking for . I would want to know, who, when and why, whats the substance behind it and talk to people, look at documents and talk tod people. Thats what weit do in investigations. I would venture to say everybody in this chamber if they were the ceo of a company and they saw money moving like that within their own company, theyd want to get to the truth and why is somebody paying that money out. Those are the questions that need to be asked and get to the bottom of. Mr. Chairmann unanimousth consent request. I would like to enter into the record a july 9th, 2016 letter from 3barisma Board Members including hunter biden, expressing concern that he had initiated an investigation into barisma. Without objection, so ordered. Chair recognized mr. Salazar from texas. Mr. Chairman, i would like to begin with a quote, people of america elected 435 of us to do things they expect us to do. Real business, not theater. Try to have some Prescription Drug legislation reform this year but instead the Majority Party is conducting baseless impeachment hearings. Was it nancy pelosi, maybe Ranking Member jamie rafkin. You said this in 2019. You said it on the floor of the u. S. House saying impeaching donald trump was political theater. Trump was first impeached attempting to extort a foreign president in helping the trump president ial campaign and if you didnt consider that criminal how about when trump was impeached trying to overthrow the results of the president ial election and thenn incited insurrection. What would you call this . This is a disgrace and i hope that Top Republican officials will find some integrity and the case of trump because you fear his social media raft rightwing officials will deny all evidence against trump come hell or high water but in the case of President Joe Biden you decided to start the impeaching now and figure out the whole evidence thing later and you still havent figured it out. Your own republican Witnesses Today say theyy dont see the evidence to impeach President Joe Biden, bunch of stuff about hunter this, hunter that but they said they dont see the evidence to impeach joe biden. That is a disgraceful double standard, it damages our democracy and insults the toinstitution of congress and me than anything disgraces this body and the eyes of the american public. This inquiry is a cynical attempt, attempt to tar everyone, to make everyone look suspect, make everyone look corrupt so voters just give up and say, theres not much difference here. But we cannot give up on discerning truth from propaganda. We cannot give up on collective governance, congress is a place where historically people of enormous integrity have throughout history taken on big challenges,in inequalities, injustice, instability. We can and look at evidence before us and have equal justice under the law. And the evidence before us shows no wrongdoing by President Biden. We havent seen the evidence throughout the testimony today. Yourgd own republican call witnesses said they havent seen that kind of evidence. There is separate evidence that supports indictments unrelated indictments against his son hunter and multiple indictments spanning 91 criminalhu charges against former President Trump. I fornt one am grateful we Haven Independent judicial system where the president s son or former president like trump can be investigated and prosecuted if they violate the law. It is my firm belief that hunter and trump should both face trial and if guilty be held accountable for the crimes theyve been accused of. Can everyone on the Oversight Committee say the same thing . Will members of the Oversight Committee please raise your hand if you believe both hunter and trump should be held accountable for any of the indictments against them if convicted by a jury of theirir peers . We can take a minute. No, its serious. This is serious matter. If yall need to think about it, wenu can take a moment and think about it. It is serious. This is very serious. Think about it, should both hunter would the gentleman i want to see whether you raise your hand. Should hunter and trump both be held accountable if they are found guilty on any of their indictments . Raise your hand if you think that equal justice under the law applies and trump should be held accountable . I think it is worse than embarrassing that republicans wont raise their hand. They refuse to say that equal justice under the law should apply to everyonee and when you step back and think about and what about the january 6th defendants . This double standard insults the institutions of congress that people fought and died to stbuild. This impeachment hearing clearly is not about justice. We cannot say equal justice under law for everyone except for the guy who holds the leash. I will yield the rest of my time to Ranking Member rafkin. Thank you, i think you were interrupted by several colleagues. I heard one question from the distinguished lady. What about the january 6th defendants all of whom have lawyers, due process, the presumption of innocence and they were convicted of various things included assaulting federal officers and metropolitan police. What about point of order. If i can take my time back. Multiple members saying its wrong the january 6 rioters were convicted by a jury of their peers. Thats disturbing. The chair recognizes point of order. The chair recognizes mr. Fallon. Thank you, mr. Chairman, i ask for unanimous consent. So ordered. To the payroll of average citizens and the name senator for you after which hunter continued to benefit from his fathers public positions and in 2011 he was contacted by the chinese politician and businessman they wanted to form a joint Investment Firm that then became leveraging his family name and essentially it seems like it comes to him like swimming comes to a fish. If we could put up on the screen and email from between devon archer and the president s son. As you can see here, when asked why does the super chairman love me so much, and the answer is its easy. It has nothing to do with me and everything to do with my last name. Thats the president s son, and thats not me saying it, thats the president s son. He openly acknowledged it doesnt come from education or business acumen. It comes from his name. It is his name but its not his name garnering all the attention. Both were selling their name. Devon archer if you put that on the screen, please, he confirmed it. If i could get mr. Archers testimony onon the screen. Its fair to say joe biden was the brand and obviously brought most value to the brand. I make that case because the president s son was addicted to drugs and frequenting prostitutes so i suspect his value of the brand was pretty low compared to his father who was the Vice President of the United States. Companies brand their products whether it is a food company, car, shoe company. They brand it because it provides trust by their buyers, from their buyers. This Committee First relieved a memo march 16, 2023 that showed that less than two months after the Vice President left office, state energies and robertson walker, again, avery and business associate of the biden family 3 million. Shortly thereafter, literally the next day and within the next series of days, Robinson Walker sent 1 million to the biden family and associated businesses. And they were sent in suspect incremental payments. And it follows a pattern. I can give you other instances where the exact same thing occurred. One third for Robinson Walker, 130 year, one third of their. Thats how it worked out. Now the biden family provided no legitimate services, yet haley biden working as a school counselor, was provided to some of this money. For what . What was the product or service . Mr. Chairman, i ask unanimous consent to enter into the record the first memos dated march 16, 2023, new evidence resulting from the Oversight Committees investigation and the biden families influence, peddling and business scheme showing the biden family members and Biden Associated businesses received over 1 million from state energy hk limited, a chinese company. Without objection. Thank you. Mr. Turley, thank you for being here. What is influence peddling . Influence peddling is to sell access were influence to achieve some end. They are sometimes in a quid pro quo which is a specific act of if you want and sometimes aqu general pattern of corruption favoring someone. The United States also signed off on a convention on public corruption that also has definitions that are relevant they are being sent with no legitimate services. This is something that you would find interesting your self if charged to investigate on your own . Please answer the question. It would be a red flag and i would followup and see where it leads. I have a point of order. I didnt want to disrupt the gentleman from pennsylvania but he reverted to an email at the beginning of the testimony. We havent been provided a copy of that email and i dont know where it came from. What is the source of that material . We have a role in this we have to be provided all material entered into the record. Our colleagues keep relying on emails we obtain from Hunter Bidens laptop but we have no idea as you know youve not shared with us what you say is the hard drive to Hunter Bidens laptop. The email entered into the record. We dont know what the basis of that is. We will work on getting you that answer. The Computer Repair guy that disseminated that stuff says he cannot account for the chain of custody of the alleged hard drive of the laptop, so we have no idea where that comes from. We will get you thatyo information but i would like to remind the Ranking Member the president s son is now suing the repair guy for leaking his laptop. Remember, he denied it forever ride, no i agree that he cant account for the custody of it either. The chair recognizes ire would like to ask unanims consent to enter into the record our own transcribed interview with our committee where he the brandates, quote, in washington, d. C. , not President Biden. The brand was joe biden and mr. Archer responded. Without objection. Its in the record twice now. The chair recognizes mr. Crockett from texas. Thank you so much, mr. Chair. I want to remind everyone the information recorded in form 1023 that my republican colleagues keep fighting is not evidence of anything. The form reflects the years secondhand unverified information from an ukrainian oligarch as related to the fbi by a confidential human sores. Source. These unverified a second allegations havee been debunked and undermined by the confidential human source that relayed this information to the fbi. The tip reported in the form 1023 was thoroughly explored by the u. S. Attorney, handpicked by donald trump, which was attorney general william bar, and the assessment was closed. Finally, devon archer, hunter biden former Business Partner who worked with the ukrainian oligarch in question told the committee any transcribed interview in july he had no knowledge of any payments allegedly described in this form, repeating the same lies will not somehow turn them into truths, kind of like the election thatt trump lost. To say it with me, he lost it. Repeating the same lie that he won wasnt going to turn the election around. They keep pushing lies and lunacy on behalf of a multitime loser. So if we are going to talk about china lets go ahead and talk about china and the dealings and let me point out the fact that right now each of you has admitted that none of you are in fact witnesses. We walked in without facts and unfortunately because what we say isnt necessarily evidence, weve wasted the American Peoples time and we are going to walk out of this chamber and still have no facts that are leading to anything. T but let me give you all a little bit of tea while we are here. So i have a document that i will ask for unanimous consent to enter into the record. Its a fact sheet on the shady business dealings with the Chinese Government. What are you entering in, a record from who . The congressional integrity. The dog money packed . I object. I object to that too. Of course you will object that we are going to talk about it. Trump has extensive financial ties to the Chinese Government and collected millions from Chinese Government owned entities while in office. I have the best tenants in the world, President Trump was well aware of the multimillion dollar lease to chinese interests. President trump promised to donate Foreign Government profits while in office, but he donated less than a third of his proceeds from the Chinese Government. President trump maintains three Foreign Bank Accounts while in office including one in china. President trumps business with chinaen raised legal and ethical concerns. President trump, he loves the president of the country and is doing a very good job. Let me tell you something. I dont want to talk about what you all want to act like is some big mystery, because we keep sitting here and, professor gerhardt, just to be clear, as my colleagues have even tried to provide evidence which they are not the ones to provide a evidence have you ever heard them say since weve been sitting here for i dont know how long . Ive been taking a tally. Can you show us . More than 35 times the republican witnesses and republican members of the committee have used the word if. Honestly, if they would continue to say and we were playing a drinking game, i would be a drunk by now because i promise you they have not talked about the subject of this, which would be the president. But let me tell you something that was so disturbing as i walked into the chamber today. As i prepared, i said what is the crime. Because when youre talking about impeachment, youre talking about high crimes or misdemeanors. And i cant seem to find the crime, and honestly, no one has testified what crime they believe the president of the United States has committed. But when we Start Talking about things that look like evidence, they want to act like they are blind. These are our national secrets. It looks like [inaudible] to me. This looks like more evidence of our national secrets. When we are talking about somebody thats committing high crimes, it is what say 32 counts related to unauthorized National Security secrets, counts related to obstructing the investigation, statements, one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States, falsify, conspiracy to defraud the United States, two counts related to efforts to obstruct the boating certification proceedings, one count of conspiracy to violate civil rights, 23 counts related to forgery of the foreign documents, eight counts related to soliciting, and i could go on because hese got 91 pending right now but i will tell you what the president has been guilty of. Hes unfortunately been guilty of loving his child unconditionally and that is the only evidence that theyve brought forward. Honestly i hope and pray that my parents love me half as much as he loves his child. Until they find some evidence, we need to get back to the peoples work which means keeping this government open so that people dontgi go hungry in the streets of the United States. And i will yield. The chair recognizes mr. Timmons of south carolina. Thank you. Im going to try to simplify this for the American People. My colleagues across the aisle think this inquiry is improper, that this hearing is improper but that couldnt be further from the truth. We have an enormous amount of evidence that indicate hunter biden was engaged in nefarious andth illegal activities with foreign nationals from china, ukraine, kazakhstan, russia while making millions doing so. We dont know the full extent yet. Today we discovered a 25 million of payments and thats without having Hunter Bidens personal bank records. The question, this is why we are here, what did joe biden know and when. Due to the evidence we found today, Speaker Mccarthy appropriately initiated and appeasement inquiry to give additional tools to get the answer to that question. Based on the circumstantial evidence we have, the laptop, the whistleblowers, Shell Companies, testimony from devon archer this congress has a duty to further investigate whether Vice President joe biden was loving father taken advantage of by his delinquent son, or a knowing participant who was complicit in the scheme and financially compensated for his role. That is why we are here today, to answer that simple question, to determine if our current tipresident is compromised. Its complicated. All these countries into different roles people play. But themp point is simply and repeated often. The foreign client pays a biden, the Vice President leverages influence to force favorable outcomes for the client, the biden family earns their view. Thats the scheme. We see it played over and over. As we continue to investigate all this wrongdoing, ive put a lot of time trying to figure out how this got started. Int 2014 as he was vice presidt biden after four decades of public servicing thinking he would never hold Public Office again and started down a slippery slope. Perhaps he wanted to help his struggling son and never intendedes to sell policy decisions and for the biden family to get millions of dollars but there is mounting evidence that suggests that whas has happened it all began in the spring of 2014. Hunter biden gets his father to have dinner with foreign nationals and his Business Partner in georgetown. Hathe National Nationals attendg were the pre minister of kazakhstan, the calais tanning oligarch, a Russian Oligarch that happened to be the wife of the mayor of moscow. We know beginning in early 2014, there was a threepoint one milliondollar wire to the Shell Companies and 123,000 to another Shell Company for hunter biden to buy a porsche. We have in the bank records to prove this, so the logical question is what was this money for. What were the goals of those payments . Her motives were clear she knew russia was going to investigate crimea and as a response they thed inevitably sanction bands. Whos left off the list the Richest Woman in russia who wire to 3. 5 to stay there. The motive was to burisma. In december of the same year, the oil Shell Company joined the Chinese Communist Party Company and announced a deal. Everyone got rich. Again another amazing coincidence. These are only the first two of dozens of examples of the scheme. A foreign clientco has a proble. A foreign client pays the bidens. The Vice President leverages influence to force a favorable outcome, the biden family earns their be. I worked over the last nine months for additional scrutiny of the biden family members and Business Associates and require additional tools at our disposal to uncover whether he was complicit. Again the purpose of this investigation. The next steps are to subpoena additional documents that wille give context to the transactions to help determine the culpability. We are going to subpoena Hunter Bidens personal bank records. The various Business Records such as invoices and contracts to clarify with the payments were for. Secret service for Movement Patterns of them Vice President. The list goes on and on and again i want everybody to remember we are doing this becauseer the department of justice and irs refused toin do their job and we have evidence in the last week that they are actively concealing the possible crimes. If we discover that joe biden was taking half of Hunter Bidens income like hunter told his daughter inde a text messag, i hope that my democratic colleagues will put politics aside, do the right thing and join us inss impeaching a corrut president who sold out the American People. And with that, mr. Chairman, i yield back. The chair recognizes mr. Goldman from new york. Thank you, mr. Chairman. This hearing is entitled the basis for eon impeachment inquiry. You would think after eight months of an investigation we wouldnt need to have a hearing with no witness who has any direct knowledge of the evidence to determine that there is a basis for this impeachment inquiry. And this is an impeachment inquiry. Mr. Burisma and mr. Turley and mr. Gerhardt testified in the Judiciary Committee the inquiry was in the intelligence committee. And in the intelligence committee, there were 17 firsthand witnesses with direct knowledge of the allegations, and the public hearings had 12 witnesses all with firsthand. Here we are in our first hearing. No one has any actual knowledge or evidence. Theres nothing new here. So, why dont we have some of the fact witnesses here. Youve brought them in. Theyve come in already. What about devon archer . Mr. Donaldson, the chairman, now want to disavow stir archers testimony that mr. Biggs entirely relies upon. They dont want him to come sit here. Why . May be because he testified that joe biden never discussed business with hunter or other Business Associates. He got nothing from their businesses. And he never took any official acts related to the businesses. Or maybe the American People might hear that this 3. 5 million actually had nothing to do with hunter biden which is what devon archer testified. Orvo what about Hunter Bidens partner and accountant. He also performed a number of administrative and bookkeeping tasks for then Vice President biden and hunter biden. He saw Vice President bidens bank accounts. And he told the committee that he was not aware of any involvement by President Biden and the financial conduct of his relatives businesses, much less any transactions into or out of them Vice President s bank account related to business conducted by any family member. The end of the list goes on. Weve already talked about Rudy Giuliani. The reason is you bring in the fact witnesses and your case goes down the drain. So lets talk about what your allegations are. 15 million to nine biden family members from 20142019. Mr. Dubinsky, was joe biden president of the United States from 20142019 . No, he was not. And impact from 20172021 he was a private citizen, right . Thats my understanding. Am i correct the framers made clear that conduct of as private citizens are best left for the legal system, not the impeachment process; is that right . Yes sir. Even yesterday and releasing 700 pages of documents, chairman smith admitted that he is not an expert in the timeline which seems to encapsulate this investigation to the t. Because here we are seeing text and emails from 2017. We are seeing department of justice emails from 2020, when it was the donald trump Justice Department. And all we hear all day long,lo biden family, biden family, biden and family. Every time you hear that, you know that it doesnt include joe biden. If there were nine biden family members who got money from these business transactions, isnt it striking that joe biden was not one of them . Pretty remarkable. And what we hear is this is an exceedingly complex chain of transactions. Thatss what the House Republicans said. Pattern of incredible financial complexity. Ms. Mclean showed a chart. It had an investor. He had an Investment Company that invested money, that received money, and then itco wt to the investors. Mr. Dubinsky, that is in very complicated, is it . Thats not the question. The question is what was going on. Was there an investment . Im just asking about the structure, because what we have here and we hear so much about services and all of this, and you know, services are legitimate or product, its an Investment Company, private equity that invests capital and other corporations and companies. That is standard practice. Mr. Turley, you said in 2019 and impeachment requires a clear criminal act; is that right . And the trump impeachment i said repeatedly you can impeach someone for noncriminal conduct. I strongly encourage you to look at criminal records. I the testimony is there. I have ten seconds left. You have said that lying is a president is not impeachable. You have said that theres in influence peddling campaign, but we well acknowledge, will you not that in order to have a criminal act of public corruption or bribery, there must be an official act in connection to some sort of personal benefit, isnt that right . The time is expired but please answer the question. I can point you to my testimony. Its a little more complicated. And zero official act for a personal benefit. The gentlemans time is expired into the chair recognizes ms. Green from georgia. On july 25, 2023, chairman comer and i sent a letter requesting information related to victims of hunter biden. Specifically women he sexually exploited and then claimed as deductions on his taxes through hisn law firm. But he never paid rose taxes. Not surprisingly the department of justice did not respond. After the doj is sweetheart hunter biden deal fell apart, by the way, led by the special counsel, david weiss on september 8, 2023, chairman comer and i again sent a letter to the same doj official asking about victims rights issues related to hunter biden Sexual Exploitation. The doj once again failed to respond. Yesterday i found out why they dont want to talk with us. In a new email just released, by the way, from october 2020. Could you please display the email . The delaware u. S. Attorneys office doj fbi and irs described evidence they have related to act violations. By the way the subject of the email says man act. First, the title, man act, then its clear there are charges on the table. While the department of justice is in hiding from meeting with me. The department of justice and irs email, and david weiss delaware u. S. Attorneys office, the email states there are communications with trafficker number one and trafficker number two. Andd hunter biden has escorts that travel across state lines. These women are victims, and the department of justice is refusing to protect the rights. Not only that, david weiss, the special counsel in charge of supposedly investigating hunter biden, has been clearly covering of Hunter Bidens crimes since before the 2020 election, which is undoubtedly election interference. Davidec weiss is complicit and must be removed from the special counsel. We also have more information we subpoenaed. Let me give you an even better example based on an interview with one of Hunter Bidens victims with law enforcement. It says here the victim, Hunter Bidens victims stated that biden told her his father was the Vice President and asked to Google Search his name. Hunter bidens victims stated she told biden she was not interested in Google Searching his name and just wanted to be paid. Hunter bidens victims stated biden then showed her a picture of his father with president barack obama. Dont forget, his father was Vice President then. Hunter biden victims stated after she was shown the a for mentioned picture who was the Vice President of the United States with the president of the United States, barack obama, she becamevi afraid. After Hunter Bidens victim left the location, she arrived back at her apartment and told her friend who she was just with. Hunter bidens victims stated that her friend told her you have no idea who youre dealing with. These women were terrified, terrified. To use his father, hunter biden used his father, the Vice President of the United States, to threatener his victim who he had just trafficked for sex, and the department of justice refuses to speak to me . Hunterfu biden needs to be held accountable for his Sexual Exploitation of women, and weve seshown more evidence. Weve shown evidence. This is what it looks like. This is what man act violations look like mr. Chairman . I reclaim my time. [over talking] pretend to care about womens rights while allowing hunter biden to exploit women. This is a shame. A challenge before us. Pointis of order. We will stop the clock for you, ms. Greene. Our colleague from georgia has introduced before pornographic exhibits and displayed things that are really not suitable for children who might be watching. A bathing suit is and suitable, mr. Raskin . I would like the member to be instructed to not introduce any pornography today, at least without running a bathing suit is not pornography. We cant see them down there. You didnt make it available before you started. Its on the internet. Its everywhere. And you are submitting a naked womans body. This is a bathing suit. It hasnt been cleared before the committee. Do you have your glasses were not . I have contact us. Contacts. Oh, congratulations. I asked ms. Greene to proceed. Lets talk about more evidence the democrats have denied thats turned out to be true. We all know joe biden is the big guy and we confirm hunter biden was lobbying his father. Heres another example that was released yesterday. This is from a timeline from one of the irs whistleblowers with you an email between a serbian politician and hunter biden. Did you have a chance to talk with the big man . Hes receiving my Prime Minister on wednesday. Please let me know if you think that what we discussed back in dc can be mentioned in the meeting. My domestic strategy, how i proceed dealing with my government very much depends on whether itw happens or not. This is a conversation between hunter biden and vuc. This is how hunter biden was selling his fathers political powerfl and influence, and thiss a perfect example. This is evidence right here. I would like to remind everyone that this is the beginning of the impeachment inquiry, where we are passing a wide net and finding every single person, whether its the last administration, the administration before that, and whether its the Current Administration that has covered up the crime of the biden family, and we will continue pulling more evidence. I will let mr. Goldman go over by 30 seconds. So, we owe you 20 seconds. Mr. Moskowitz, its your lucky day. If you get five minutes at a 20 seconds. I think its your lucky day. What a day we are having. [laughter] wasnt it . I mean, as a former director of emergency management, i know a disaster when i see one. [laughter] by the way, dont, dont believe me, just ask steve bannon, your guy, went on and said perhaps who is guy is he . You know who steve bannon news. He just went on and said perhaps the republicans shouldnt have started with a witness. He was talking about professor turley who was going to say right off the bat that there wasnt an impeachable opens. Perhaps we should have put him on the media list from one of our witnesses. So your other witness gave a complete recitation of the last nine months, eight months of the hearings. She went through some of the greatest hits that have come out. Everything that has been presented. Both in the committee is that we have been having, on tv. All of the evidence that you have been presenting over the last eight months, all of that together, and what does professor turley say . It says everything we know at this juncture doesnt rise to the level of impeachment. Boy, that is awkward. Look, its like a political impeachment malpractice. But lets go back to some of the previous comments that my colleagues have given. So, the chairman and i have a slight a the chairman goes on hannity. You all know him, you appear with him on fox news all the time. He asks a softball question. This is a total softball do u believe that this is now officially the joe biden bribery allegation and do youelve you will be able to prove it . The chairman should have just said yes but he says hope so because he doesnt have any evidence,bu couldnt say yes. Next slide. Then we haveator grassley. Grassley says we all know out loud we are not interested in whether or not the accusations against Vice President biden are accurate. We know, we know youre not interested in the truth. Next slide, please. Tr and then donald tmp he is giving it all away. We knoheikes to show his cards. He says i think had they not done it to me, perhaps you wouldnt have it being done to them, and this is going to happen with indictments, to. Hes teaching the lesson will teach our kids. If they do it to you, do it back. So, you know, we are all appearing now in the world enacted tv drama thats been picked up for a second season. The real House Republicans of oversight. Perhaps the material is so bad due to the writers strike. I mean, how many republicans, members, part of the chaos caucus have said theres no evidence to impeach joeer biden . And of course we know its not about the evidence. Why . Here is ajo list of all of the articles of impeachment that have been filed by my colleagues, some that are on this committee. When was the first article filed . It was filed in january of 21, two weeks after january 6th. So, before we had a single hearing, before they went through this myriad of fishing theyfi were filing articles. Professor turley, you said this doesnt fall to the level of impeachment and you said they shouldnt prejudge. Heres a list right here of every single member, many on this committee, prejudging. Filing articles of impeachment. Covid, afghanistan, hunter biden. And they are all one upping each and the donald trump olympics to get invited to the sleepover. I filed articles against merrick meredith garland, no, i filed against harris. Its ridiculous but this is what its about. All other president s in the United States, 50 of the impeachments. A donald trump has half of the impeachment in american history. But you know what . Hes got 100 of the indictments. 100 of all indictments. A zero for the other president s. Let me do it another way. I want to channel my inner ten registered. Let me go to the board. I dont have florida, but the donald trump impeachment. Weve got to. How many indictments, four, how many for biden, zero, zero. The donald trump is right. Hes sick of winning. Hes just whining and running away with it and thats why we are here. We are here because of this. Thats what its about. They cant save donald trump. They cant take away the two impeachments andan of the four indictments but they can try to tsput some numbers on the board for joe biden. The problem is when you sling mud, youve got to have mode and theyyo dont have anything, mr. Chairman. So, we know why we are here, that is the biden family, biden, joe bidens commander, but not joe biden, never joe biden. So when, what are you scared of . Called the vote. If you all think theres so much evidence, we are here. Call the vote on impeachment. In phm right now, i dare you. Impeach him right now, i dare you. [inaudible] the cefc of china energy, who is the chairman . Before they had connections to the chinese military. Infuriate private company it had cleared the communist partys committees that are staples of the stateowned enterprises. The ccp affiliated was closely connected with the delta Road Initiative and as evidenced joe biden was in business with it. He was engaged closely with of the chairman of cefc that they shared office space in washington, d. C. Joe biden was considered a partner. September 201st, 2017 and yes we will talk about that in a minute, hunter biden emailed a building in washington, d. C. To request keys be made available for office mates joe biden, joe biden, gongwen dong. Not only did they Share Office Space with of the affiliated leadership and his son, hunter biden asked the signage be listed as, quote, the Biden Foundation cefc, u. S. In case it isnt clear joe biden wasnt a partner in the dealings with the ccp affiliated entity with a key to Share Office Space, email on display shows he specifically reference to joe biden and his partner. He then showed a personal phone number for President Biden whom he refers to as his partner along with gongwen dong, the nrc ray and jim biden. The manager was called to call him if he chose. He gifted hunter biden a diamond with 80,000 during the business relationship. Chairman ye jianming was detained by chinese authorities as reported by the media and the detention in china was ordered directly by the chinese president. Mr. Chairman, i ask unanimous consent to enter the email dated september 21, 2017 showing the sharing of office space with the Business Partner, chairman ye jianming. Without objection so ordered. Let me ask a question. Who do you think im referring to . Who has a family of highranking government officials receiving tons of money, cars and luxury items from a Foreign Government . You might have said senator menendez, and youn would be right. But hunter biden p would also receive the same things. Mr. Turley, in your experience is that concerning a public official such as joe biden is involved with the cefc, Chinese Energy company with ties to ccp and chairman ye jianming leader detained for fraud . Its certainly a concern that some of these individuals have been either accused of or have been convicted of fraud including one by the United States government. The question is whetherve that conduct extended to the Vice President or the president today, and whether that is part of a continuum of conduct. Mr. Dubinsky, when you see a pattern of problems particularly in production, doesnt that pattern usually continue . Its a coverup. Do you agree with that statement . I do. We call it a pattern of evidence and that is what we look for when we are doing investigations to continue in that regard. If you started prior as a president would you continue through this is a private citizen, you would see the president. So those are the assets you would follow through . Absolutely. For all three of you real quick. Its said over and over again youve given no information, but isnt it true we should be looking to you for the establishment . Im not an attorney and neither are these folks here. Should we be utilizing your expertise to go get that information to make sure its valid . Mr. Turley, would you agree . I agree. My testimony tried to lay out the historical baseline for the inquiry. This is the beginning of that inquiry. Ms. Oconnor . To aid in understanding of with the whistleblower was brought forward. Mr. Dubinsky. My testimony conducting an unbiased investigation getting to the truth. Unbelievable. I think this is so perfectly set up. Its the very basis and we wanted to make sure its done appropriately. It overwhelms me when we start to see the rhetoric that comes out on the other side and especially the show that we saw. That belongs on saturday night live. Mr. Chairman, i yield back. Unanimous consent motion. Request rather. I would like to enter six different instances of the devon archer transcript its been entered twice but if you want to enter it again, go ahead. Theres six where he said all he discussed was the weather we will entere in the total entire transcript for the third time. Thank you. Without objection, so ordered. [inaudible] i would like to ask for consent to enter october 23, 2020 wall street journal article that states Text Messages and emails provided to the journal by mr. Bobulinski dont show even hunter biden or james biden discussing the role for joe biden and the venture. Without objection. The chair recognizes mr. Lee i would like to enter into the record on behalf of congressman crockett all of Donald Trumps indictments and also into the record. Without objection, so ordered. Mr. Lee ms. Lee. R thank you, chair comer and the Ranking Member mr. Raskin. Its great to be on the committee. When i first came and i looked up on the wall and it is all the incredible former chair of the house Oversight Committee Elijah Cummings into reminds me of the first meeting, the Committee Meeting in the chamber. I can tell you it was incredibly powerful. I dont know mr. Turley if you know, do you know what the subject matter of the hearing was . I dont. It was around insulin, price gouging of insulin and the first witness was a mother of twins who had to ration her insulin between two children. It was incredible because at that moment i thought this is exactly the committee i i want o ber on, here doing what is need for the American People and fighting back against greed and a number of broken systems and processes that i think again leave many families behind. Here we are though, doing the bidding of a twice impeached indicted former president instead of working for the people of our country. Mr. Oconnor ms. Oconnor, do you know this number . I dont know what number youre referring to. That is the number of active duty reserve men and women servingg in kentucky who is goig to be forced to go without pay because of the shutdown. And i should know that because . Because you have nothing to say about any of this because you dont have any facts. You werere not there. Ms. Oconnor, dont take it personally that you are here being used for somebody out there being invited. This is not helping the American People. Mr. Gerhardt, what does this say . One thing i learned in this hearing is i need new glasses. But that is the countdown to the a couple days . Two days, eight hours. So, mr. Dubinsky, do you know who saidno the following we hae thousands of members across the country who returned holiday president s because they needed cash, missed a mortgage payment, took out a shortterm loan and ran up their Credit Card Debt because they had no paycheck for the month. Point of order, mr. Chairman. State your point and stop the clock. Thank you. I appreciate that. All Government Employees are goingat to get paid at the end f this month, and also the Democratic Party [inaudible] that is not a point. Of order. The chair recognizes ms. Tlaib we all know. I was here, i was here in 2019 when the shutdown was there for 35 days because you know what, you do know who said this . I lost track. Greenwald, a member of the National Treasures employees unions he said hundred 50,000 workers in 35 agencies. She said this is then irresponsible 20182019 republican shutdown from the previous administration. Do you know what she also went to say, because this is important. Ecause this is this is what the committee should be used for. She went on to say they stood in lines at food banks, pulled thr children from child care, were unable to put gas in their cars and begged creditors for grace. This is not how the United States of america should treat its own employees. That is verbatim from a federal employee that did not get paid in the last shutdown so lets not apply to the American People. Right now the department of agriculture willbl be forced to stop processing Housing Loans which provided over 675,003,431 families in rural north carolina. Thats all going to stop. The department of agriculture will be forced to processing a loan in wisconsin about 181 million loans impacting rural wisconsin. A Small Business administration would stop processing Small Business firms helping over 284 million in funding Small Businesses in alabama. This is just one state. The federal Government Shutdown has consequences. I would like to submit for the record the funding would be impacted if the government shuts down. This is with regards to the impact in florida specifically if the government shuts down and impacts the many humanitarian aid at that have to go to many homeowners that were impacted. Without objection, so ordered. In my district, 56,000. Do you know what that is . Thats the number of children that will lose their child care spot to receive child care. Countrywide, 3. 5 million children impacted. This iss how many children, again, the caucus, again, republicans are literally putting aside a saying we are going to do this instead. We are going to go and bring the campaign, the ugliest toxicity ourr families dont need into te chamber instead of doing what we need to do which is making sure we have a functional government that provides for our families committee. Why stop at destroying child care across the country . Devastating public health, education, social safety net and ms. Oconnor, you are part of it now because you came, here. That time is expired. The chair recognizes mr. Burchett of tennessee. President biden sent over 110 billion of taxpayers hard earned moneyat and wants to send even more yet his son failed to pay any taxes on the millions received from ukraine companies. Many folks cant afford to buy groceries let alonear a home or automobile come about all over the country they still pay their taxes. The fact is if their last name is biden, you dont have to play by the same rules. Whos going to write the check for the money he didnt pay now that its too dark to bring charges. Whos paying taxes on the 250,000 china sent to President Bidens delaware address . I will tell you who, the hardworking americans that have to get up every morning that dont come into work at 10 00 and take two hours for lunch and walk out of here with their jackets thrown over their shoulder claiming that they worked hard because they know they didnt work hard. Past july they testified in the committee they painted agree disturbing picture. Worst one of the paintings by the way of misconduct and obstruction in the department of justice criminal investigation saved by the decision to change the departments longstanding policy to charge the serious offense that can be proven into the path to plead guilty for to tax related misdemeanors rather than the six felonies recommended by theou departments tax division. Moreover, the decision doesnt align with chapter ten of the tax manual. Elements can be proven. David should have followed the Department Policy and charged hunter biden with tax colonies. The department should have ensured that hunter paid his back taxes like any other person in his position. Hardworking tennesseans shouldnt have to subsidize the families crime spree. I would like to know if they paidco any of their taxes. I yield the remainder of my time to my friend jim jordan. To what you said in your written statement about the abuse of power model that weve seen in other administrations that you think may exist in this administration. Some of the things we learn from the whistleblowers as they were prevented from taking certain steps. They couldnt look at political figure one which we know is the big guy is joe biden. They couldnt investigate 2014 and 2015 because they couldnt charge the statute of limitations to expire. Is it an abuse of power when the Justice Department stops investigative steps that potentially lead to to joe biden . It can be if there is a linkage to the president. If you lookut back i think artie two of the nixon impeachment was an abuse of a power that dealt with that type of nexus. Article one, i think of the trump impeachment dealt with that type of nexus. You just have to establish those linkages as you go forward in an inquiry to make sense of the article of substantiating articles of impeachment. Something you said earlier, you said confirmed corrupt peddling operations can you elaborate on what you think that is . On a salable of acknowledge recently this was an influence peddling effort whether it is an illusion are not as part of the task for the inquiry but it seems to be abundantly clear from these emails andac statements and now sworn testimony that hunter biden and the associates were sellingbi access to joe biden and the question is whether any of that resulted in decisions and changes being made by joe biden and the degree to which he knew of it, directed it, encouraged it. Thats all the subject ofno an inquiry that has to be determined. It can be disproven or proven but thats where it plays ahead of you. I will yield back. The chair recognizes ms. Porter from california. Thank you very much. Do you believe that this impeachment inquiry has merit . I am not a legal scholar, i am an accountant and from what ive seen there is merit for the inquiry to look for other information. So you believe the impeachment inquiry has merit. You believe that this impeachment inquiry is legitimate . I dont know enough about the house rules and how things are supposed to work to know whether it is or not. Mr. Burisma, do you agree, do you think this impeachment inquiry has merit or is legitimate . I do. I think that they passed the house has passed the house for the inquiry separate from the articles impeachment. Thank you very much. A veteran of several impeachments said that and impeachment inquiry without a floor vote by the congress would, quote, create a process completely devoid of any merit or legitimacy . Mr. Dubinsky, who said that . I dont know. No clue. Mr. Turley, who said this . I made an objection along those lines tot. The earlier decision from the speaker to go forward without a houseboat and i made at the same objection today that i think the best practice is to do that and what i said in my testimony is that its not required. Reclaiming my time, i agree with you we are not talking about whether its required legally im just asking can you say again for the committee do you know who made this statement and if so, who . I made an objection along those lines. This quote is a statement from now speaker kevin mccarthy. Do you know the date of the house floor vote on this impeachment inquiry . Do you remember any houseboat . I have not been following that. Was there a houseboat on this impeachment inquiry . Not that i know of. So the houseboat didnt happen. There has not beenn a houseboat to move forward with this impeachment inquiry. The process that we should be following so that and impeachment inquiry would have merit or legitimacy which is something that i think all americans on both sides of the aisle should expect investigation to inquiries like this to have. I think that they should be able to expect the things we do in this body have merit or legitimacy. Today, by having this hearing republicans have changed their tune. I think i know i Speaker Mccarthy is going back on his conviction. His members are demanding and impeachment, but there are months of investigating our president that have not revealed get any evidence that he himself has committed crimes. A Speaker Mccarthy wants to keep this job so he set the impeachment inquiry whether or not there is any evidence and even if in his own words that. Impeachment inquiry would be devoid of any merit or legitimacy. I have one final question. What is the title of this hearing . The title was a basis for an impeachment inquiry. According to Speaker Mccarthy, there isnt a legitimate basis yet for this hearing. No amount of noise on the other side of the aisle is going to changese this. As Speaker Mccarthy said in his words, this impeachment inquiry is devoid of any merit or legitimacy. I just did it at the very end of an extremely contentious hearing. I found something Speaker Mccarthy was correct about. I yield back. Theba gentlelady yields back, and i believe i have a unanimous consent request. Thank you. I request to submit a Washington Post fact check that the committee failed to support the claim about Shell Companies. Thank you. Point without objection. I want to submit for the record if i may articlet says Government Shutdown, georgia military serviceou membs will see no hay. Without objection, so ordered. The chair recognizes ms. Gohmert for five minutes. Joe biden had to dinner with hunter and his Business Associates including a russian tech and energy oligarch who was the mayor of moscow at the time. F moscow hunter then received 3. 5 million in payouts. She was not sanctioned after the invasion of crimea. Joe biden has maintained for years that he was not involved in hisd. Sons business dealing. Yet we have proof joe biden attended business dinners with his son while he was Vice President of the United States of america. Here you have an excerpt from the transcribed interview on the screen if we could get that up there duringg his interview he testified to the fact on multiple occasions then Vice President joe biden attended functions with Business Associates of his and Hunter Bidens. One such example is laid out on the screen for us. Mr. Archer is explaining here that in the spring of 2014 if we could get the slide up devon and hunter had dinner at cafe milano with several associates. One of the attendees was ms. Baturina. Ms. Baturina was at the time the Richest Woman in russia, and she wass married to the former mayor of moscow, as previously stated. Interestingly, february 14, 2014, ms. Baturina wired hunter biden and devon archer 3. 5 million. It is still uncertain what is legitimate service hunter biden provided to ms. Baturina in exchange for this large sum of money if any at all. Furthermore, it is concerning how hunter biden and devon archer moved this money from bank account to bank account. And it is also convenient that the u. S. Government never placed ms. Baturina on their public sanctions list after russia invaded crimea. Joe bidens attendance shows joe bidens involvement in the hunter madea was more than just the illusion ofba access. It was access. There were direct benefits leading to hunter and his Business Partner after joes attendance at this cafe dinner for this paytoplay type of engagement selling direct access to joe biden and the office of the Vice President of the United States. Mr. Chairman isp announcing incentedat into the third memorandum produced by this committee on oversight and accountability in august night, 2023. Without objection, so ordered. Mr. Turley as an expert on constitutional issues what is selling access to an executive office well in terms of what justifies an impeachment and what is deemed anth Impeachable Offense . Its two separate questions and what ive suggested is for the poor areas of articles of impeachment you can look at the criminal code and that includes things like briberyy under 201 and the hobbs act cases and those have different standards that i think are relevant in terms of the impeachable standard itself there has been obviously decades of debate about that. I would hope they would be general agreement of the corruption at thehe present engage. If they engage in public crew corruption. An action such as influence peddling and paytoplay deemed as offensive to the conscience of the American People in such a way to warrant an investigation. I think theres certainly a basis for this inquiry to go forward. My position is this is early on in inquiry in terms of linking these still allegations of the presidency. Thank you mr. Turley but its parttime for joe biden to stop to the American People about his deals. Intensely used complex maneuvers to pocket millions of dollars from our adversaries. Wa he when he was Vice President and he as a candidate to gain the office of president of the United States and now this committee has uncovered the truth and it is time to impeach this compromisepr commanderinchief them at the demo on yields back. A point of order if i could. I didnt want to interrupt the gentlelady from colorado. You cannot engage in personalities against the president of the United States. You cannot say joe biden light. First of all he did not lie. You cant say it mr. Chairman. I can provide you all the cases. The timing order the chairan recognizes mr. Burchett. I like to ring to it is once again the devin archer can transcript and pointing to when he said without objection we have reentered the transcript for that this time. Now the chair recognizes mr. Ivy from maryland. Thank you mr. Chairman. I appreciate it. Because its such an important hearing mr. Turley its good to see you again i think you should get office space on the hill. This is their third Fourth Committee hearing together. I do want to say this impeachment is one of the greatest powers that the constitution gives to the house of representatives and i think its important to make sure that we treat it with that level of esteem i think whats going on or have gone on in the house for severall months now is that powr has been abused and kicking off this hearing today and i appreciate we probably used today as if because allowed at these statements were made an allegation but with respect to connecting them toy the presidt that hasnt happened. If this is true, then that and i dont think thats efficient to move forward at this point. I appreciate mr. Turleys comments and i think you are saying before ms. Boebert cut you off it was early that mr. Bidene hadnt been linked t this point. I think thatspr true and he hasnt been linked to any of these allegations. I want to talk about a couple of them specifically. With respect to the prosecutor issue, the removal of prosecutor general shogan a couple of points i want to makee on that front. A key one i think is at the removal wasnt detrimental to hunter biden because it was pretty clear based on statements in the testament thats been given here in the house before this committee in other instances that he was not doing a great job to say the least. He was sitting on the investigation and he wasnt movingor it forward and i think the statement could have been made with respect to the imf, pressuring to remove by threatening to withhold 40 billion in International Assistance because he was removed. Ea President Bidens request to have them removed along those lines was consistent not only with what he pushed for at the imf pushed for but where others are pushing for so including senator johnson i believe on that front. What we have gotem here is an effort to argue by our republican colleagues that the removal of this prosecutor and President Biden asking are pressing to have them removed was in some way an effort to undermine the investigation of burisma but its clear based on the sentiment we perceive and has been presented in congress before and published in some of our documents that thats the exact opposite. Things were moving forward, not moving forward and they were more likely to move forward without him. So theres really no linkage there between the president in derailing any kind of investigation. With respect to the devin archer statements devin archer said you confronted him over his decades long business relationship with hunter biden and he never heard hunter biden discuss business with his father either on phonecalls or in person and i do want to add this as well. Mr. Bidens bookkeeper eric should wear in from 2009 to 2018 he was a bookkeeper and had access too his bank account and had no knowledge of President Biden having any involvement in Hunter Bidens financial activities. With respect to the weiss issue and i know thats been an issue thats been pushed to let that argument is that weise was derailing the investigation into hunter biden and slowing it down. The key points on the beasley or the fact that weise was reported by President Trump and he said in judiciarync committee hearins ife the president had removed twice when he first came into Office Republicans would haveat argued that that was an effort to derail the investigation against hunter biden. In fact when the attorney general testified he noted he had Senate Republicans who exclusively wanted him and press forr him in a personal meeting that he chose not to remove weise or replace him and we have had other testimony with respect to the fbi supervisor special agent who was in the sack for the investigation working with mr. Weiss. A question had the renowned u. S. Attorney whitesnake prosecutorial questions based on influence, the answer is no and have you ever known in the u. S. Attorneys office where the office of delaware who let their prosecutorial questions be guided by that . The answer is no. I apologize for running over. Mr. Chairman and like to enter into the record a bipartisan letter signed by senators portman johnson and kirk urging ukraine to remove mr. Shogan because of his own corruption. Without objection so ordered. Thank you mr. Chairman. Professor eno and a trial theres exchange of evidence back and forth and what we have seen here today we presented evidence. The other side has a lot of bluster and theatrics and also the trial you have a defense in the only affirmative defense coming from the other side is the ultimate affirmative defense that you can say his name and all wrongdoing is gone away. Lisa mcclain talked about this earlier. He is living in their head and k would submit its all they talk about the second affirmative defense according to the democrats is the magical shutdown but would it surprise you that every single appropriations bill that has come before the feel they have voted, they dont want a debate on government funding. They want to shut down the government. This is the kind of stuff they are doing and the defense is to attack the witnesses. You dont have the facts and dont have the lie you have theatrics and you just go after the witness. Its like a constant amnesia previous statements from the Ranking Member about you dont need a book on the floor. For the past nine months we have worked tirelessly to analyze all the evidence, every single week theres more evidence that drops and this is despite the fbi despite the doj. Witness it interviews and accounts of human sources and whistleblower testimony. They have disputed that and bank records and Text Messages. Its endless and despite what my friends on the other aisle side of the aisle may say they have follow proper procedure and done it the right way. We though know the biden family benefited and his evidence begins to amount we uncover more and more about joe biden cybill pics they want to focus on s. B. 1023 document shows the conversation between a confidential human source in the ukrainian business executive. If you key point is the source asked but just be about the investigation into burisma and he replied dont worry hunter will take care of all these issues with his dad. To couple the hunter biden is ablele to say the guys dog dog was smarter than hunter the sources told in 2016 that Hunter Barton was brought on to burisma to protect them entry hunter and joe biden both told him he should keep hunter biden on the board. If corsi received a Million Dollars a year. 4 after the elections he said it cost 5 million to pay biden in 5 million to another meaning joe biden and. 5 and 2019 with chesky said he didnt send funs directly to the big guy. We talked about that a lot today. According to a chesky would take investigators 10 years to find a record of payments for joe biden. These allegations are true theres a reason why it was so hard to put together but but ths wasce done clipper land on purpose. We are here month later and we finally get the documents released to the public. Mr. Turley whats the most serious allegation outlined . First of all im not someone that puts a great deal of emphasis on field reports from sources that but but this was nt just anyn source. This was a source that was not just trusted and received the considerablelo amount of money from the fbi and had a long track recordd so it does come with that degree of support raid what i think an inquiry has to do is to drill down on the 1023. There may be nothing there when you drill it down but there may be bribery and thats the second defense sets mentioned for impeachment but what makesfi a 1023 concerning the overall context and what its one of the reasons when representative goldman was asking about bribery is a low more complex because you have section to sara sarah one and you have all these cases that suggest his public corruption in a lot of different forms. So really you are at the waters edge. Another thing that is gone so far for my confused tracking moneyd from banks often transnational transactions and a hard to write for the United States. What we havent seen as the back end of those transfers. To what extent can you track that money with regard to biden and that i suppose well come out in the inquiry. Still you have those interstitial relationships and you dont quite know what you have. How can we use this and maybe other documents that we have expand the case and how difficult do you think this document is to the case . I think the inquiry with someone who is trusted by the fbi suggests there was actual bribery involving the president you need to contact everyone involved including the source for the 1023 but also the secondhand information so you had to pursue the reference made by that source and you do it a good faith. This appears to be a bear, bear. Thank you mr. Chairman and i back. Id like to make a notion a motion. For what . U mr. . Mr. Chairman i ask unanimous consent to enter into the record a Washington Post article titled the republican case against biden from fox news because they failed to show any and their evidence is too far down the path to admit that they are wrong. Without objection the chair recognizes mr. Edwards. Thank you mr. Chair. Id like to start out by commenting while this is not directly affecting the impeachment inquiry i am so excited to have heard so many times from that side of the room how concerned folks are over keeping the government running because you will all get a chance and just to few hours to put your money where your is and vote on some bills that will keep the governmente funded. I hope its as important to you when you go to cast those votes is what you said that it is this afternoon. We have heard today that how manyli times joe biden has. Hes about his role and his familys business dealings and we have heard how when the white house he has struggled to keep up with new evidence about consistently shifting his messaging on on President Bidens involvement in Hunter Bidens foreign business affairs. The summer white house spokesperson sams shifted the white house is messaging to now claiming President Biden was never in business with his son. This is dramatically different than what we heard from the white house in their previous claims. We were told President Biden had no knowledge of Hunter Bidens business doings in the committee has revealed evidence that then Vice President biden had direct knowledge of and involvement in Hunter Bidens foreign business dealings. Is an oligarch who was the director at kazakhstanan stateowned company. Importantly he maintained ties to the kareem who became Prime Minister of kazakhstan on april 2, 2014. On april 22 of tony 14 p. Fired 142,030 to an account associated with hunter biden. Rosemount the next day that same amount was sent to a car dealership in new jersey for an expensive sports car for hunter biden. Around the same time as the payment for hunter biden sports car then Vice President biden attended a dinner with kenneth kareem, alina baturina and devon archer cafe milano in washington d. C. I believe we have a photo of them here. There they are. And here on another screen we see a photograph with him on the right, standing with joe biden and hunter biden along with mr. On the left. I dont know that picture came up or not. Additionally in april of 2015 then Vice President biden attended another dinner in washington d. C. With Prime Minister masks moth. Clearly hunter biden was selling the Biden Brandon all the access of political favors that came along with it. This transcript i believe we will see it come up on the screen is takenph from the committees interview of devon archer earlier this summer. This excerpt archer reveals that ben Vice President biden posted Hunter Biden Archer and mark holds land who was then the chairman of kazakhstans largest bank with breakfast at the naval observatory where holtzman discussed who was going to be the next u. N. Secretarygeneral with Vice President biden. Mr. Holtzman was the lobbying to receive the position. That meeting occurred on july 7, 2015 shortly after Vice President had dined again with masamov at cafe milano in washington d. C. Was masamov trying to cash in . The meeting with the Vice President United States to become u. N. Secretary just might be worth it. Around thatka same time hunter biden and devon archer were pursuing Energy Projects in kazakhstan on the half of the ukrainian Energy Company or recent months which was trying to expand its business to the country. This is another clear example of hunter biden peddling access to his father and joe biden participating in thetl influence peddling scheme. Hunter seeks Business Opportunities with Foreign Countries and provides access and political favors to his fathers office. I see them out of time so i will give backs them in the jones time has expired. Ms. Explaining how the testimony of irs agents [inaudible]ic thank you mr. Chairman. For years we have heard shifting denials and afflictions from prison by the relating to his sons foreign visitors deals and ventures. We know President Biden is why thee American People talk 16 times about his business dealings. Ce told reporters first of all i never discussed with my son or my brother orwi anyone else anythig having to do with their business periodr and quote. Joe biden continues to doubled down statement to the president ial race but in september 219 joe biden stated ive never spoken to my son about his overseas dealings. These lies have continued throughout the 2020 president ial race. It wasfl only recently the buyig of frustration. Gradually began to shift their answer on what joe biden new about his sons foreign business dealings. In june of this or white house changes its decision16 by claimg the president was not in business with the sun. Moreover members across the aisle continue to run cover for President Biden repeatedly shifting the goalposts and repeatedly peddling the notion that hunter biden was selling the quote allusion of it. Evans discovered by this committee in its investigation intot the biden brand however repealed hunters product went well beyond illusion of access. On display isal an example of actual access to the then Vice President. During a transcribed interview devon archer was questioned about how many times hunter biden had put his father on speakerphone while in business dealings. Archer made it clear during this whole 10 Year Partnership that joe biden was on speakerphone maybe 20 times while archer was present and later interviewed by Tucker Carlson archer went onedo say if you are sitting sitting with a foreign business person and you hear the voice of the Vice President that is an impactful stuff. Archer later stated in the rearview its an abuse of soft power. President present by its involvement in hunters business deals to joe biden did not email hunter asking for business reports. S all it took was biden crafting and implementing policybased on from his son and receiving payment in return. Mr. Turley haveer you ever had your parents call during an official business meeting . No. Members across the aisle they were distinguished as casual conversations about the weather whats going on and during a businessss meeting have you ever answered ano call from a parentr put them on speaker proceeded to discuss the weather . Not in my case, no. Would you say such actions are generally out of the ordinary . In business . Spint it strikes me as no. Looking at the evidence of this testimony and other evidence discussed at todays hearing can you contrast the level of thoroughness of this committees investigation compared with the democrats impeachment inquiry and 2019 . I was highly critical of obviously the impeachment the first impeachment which i felt they did not develop the sufficient record. They hadnt establish the basis of the article and the second impeachmentt what i call the snp impeachment there was no hearing at all which did do damage to impeachment process. Looking at this transcript and devon archers foreign testimony which agreed they bear are inconsistent with President Biden statement that he never discussed business with this on her later he was not in business with this on . My understanding is devon archer himself said that it was patently false. To suggest President Biden was not aware of his sons business dealings. Very good. Mr. Chairman i would yield back any time. Mr. Chairman . Overer here. I ask unanimous consent to entr into the record this article by the New York Post dated september 14, 2023 house gop probing then Vice President bidens breakfast meeting with cause expanding official at official residence showing Vice President joe biden taking meetings at the Vice President s residence with his sonspa Business Partners. Ms. Oconnor i assume you have had time to review the bank memorandums and the evidence that we derive from a suspicious activity report about the various bank reports that alleged receiving wires from the stateowned entities in things like that. What kind of crimes are we talking about their and how often do you run across people even the most criminal people who have 170 suspicious activity reports . There were about 700 pages worth of documents that you released yesterday and i havent looked at the mall carefully but one factor that continues to be overlooked is the fact that in tax law theres the concept of constructive receipt for the fire you wonder when the dollars that i dont want to pay it directly and i dont want any trace but i know representative gordon pays your bills you have constructive receipt of that money for me and if the special agents were able to follow the leads that they wanted to develop they would develop a lot of information to you be interested in. Ms. Chairman nye have unanimous consent request to clarify because mr. Langworthy said it was the democrats who saidco joe biden in hunter biden talked about the weather. Ibe would just like going to voter. Point of order. You talked about the weather six times. My point of order is that is not the point of order. The jarmond from arizona is correct. The chair will now do you have unanimous consent . And to reintroduce the six pages of testimony from devon archer. Without objection. It chair recognizes. The chair recognizes mr. Biggs. You have a point of order . The chair recognizes the gentleman from missouri. Thank you. Could you tell me what it be illegal or unethical for elected officials to utilize their resources in her office and utilize their staff to financially benefit their family members business . Part of the problem with the allusion defense is if the president was involved in influence peddling scheme it would involve using his office is a commodity for corruption. If you didnt follow forward, i think that itself would become an issue of public corruption. In fact on multiple occasions he claimed that he was not involved in this Family Business dealings however the work of this committee, the reports we have had from the treasury the irs testimony all tell a different story. All from different sources and even his own staff didnt get the memo that they were supposed ryto communicate with this business. This email dated december 4, 2013 shows Vice President biden threw his Communications Staff director Kate Beckinsale coordinated a response to reporters when they questioned the complex of this involvement with ukraine and his son involved with burisma. She ported with not just hunter. Hunter bidens business associate haircut wearing. Why is the staff of the present device is communicating with a businessss associate or the presence on . Mr. Scheuer in was intimately involved in corrupt business dealings. He visited joe bidensmm residee 36 times when he was Vice President. In this email exchange he says to her what will you call me when you get a chance . Im in the office or on my cell and 47 minutes later this email that was sent like you see on the screenen was sent as the email clearly coordination of talking between the president s office and thee business. In fact whats really striking is that this interaction occurred on the same day. The other thing to note is not only did they have interaction but in the email it says he signed off on this. The vp signed off on the shared communication. The timeline of this is that this occurred on the same day in the order of regents have requested hunter to alleviate pressure that he was facing from the prosecutors investigation. And lets go to another email. We have a from Vice President bidens office emailing joe biden about the scheduled call with ukrainian president poroshenko. Not only was email sent which sounds strange to we would think that would be strained but the more strange thing about this is to have received in the email hunter biden and not just his personal email but his business email account. So you have again a staff person coordinating a meeting with the president and using resources to coordinate that. So if our president , when he said he wasnt above with his sons Business Ventures why is his son copping on his email . The ask before you forget that these emails be added to the record. Without objection so ordered. But the people you need to be asking is this questioned why in the world with the Vice President coordinate this associate of hunter biden . Why would he direct his staff to coordinate with Business Associates and why he does hunter biden need his fathers approval to sign off on a business doing and why was President Biden about his involvement in this professional business dealings . About hunter using his fathers card when he got a speeding ticket and more accurate one would be if joe biden threatened the job of the prosecutor for the officer who was issuing a speeding ticket toe his son. With that i yield back. The chair metz back in our last questioner. We could spend all day talking about evidence and different definitions and all those things we the day talking about. Addiction of these different issues but we missed a point. This was going on for years and this is going on for years with various Different Companies during the course of joe bidens vice presidency and after his vice presidency and during his candidacy for president. One example of many. In 2015 hunter biden started working with cfc which is a chinese company, Energy Company by the Chinese Communist party Chinese Communist party. There is evidence they delay payment after joe biden was no longer Vice President so no appearance ofal impropriety. In 2017 after joe biden left Office Hunter wants to get paid by the Chinese Communist party in a july 4 of 2017 theres a meeting in moscow between Vladimir Putin and the present for the chairman of the cfc which is a Chinese Energy party was present in talking about a largescale purchase of a company by the Chinese Communist party. On july 30wi of 2017 there is a text with hunter biden and the members of cfc and that tax rates if i get a call or text from anyone involved other than you saying you are the chairman will make certain between a man sitting next to me and every person he knows and ability to forever hold a grudge that you regreter that he could have been killed and he is not since 2018. Thaten is true in august 30, august 3 theres another text. I can make 5 million in salary of any law firm in america. If you think this is about money its not. The bidens are the best i know that doing exactly what the chairman wants. We talked about influence peddling but but this is a shakedown. You can use whatever term you want but but this is a threat ad they believed it because the next day they have 100,000. I think we should find out. And it matters because on 917 of the senior theres a deal done before the Chinese Communist party in russia of the 17 sale which contained to go through the finally in december of 2018 over a year later theres anotherr that text so we are talking about a speeding ticket. We are just not. You are right i find myself because ive chosen to alienate all my friends and family employees into in the kids are very alone in dealing with rebuilding of income and dealing with the aftermath of the abduction and likely assassination, thats what the New York Times reports as of my Business Partner the richest man in the world. The arrest and conviction of my clients chief of intelligence of the peoples republic of china by the u. S. Government, the retaliation of the chinese and the rest of the operative inside china my suspected involvement in brokering a deal with Vladimir Putin directly to the largest sale of oil and gas inside russia to china with that hanging over my head in oh by the way my dad is running for president. Mr. Turley giving the evidence we have [inaudible] i do when the committee that wantst to proceed along an impeachment the constitution is on you to put the calendar is not. You have two quickly determine the information be withheld so you can seek r judicial review d thats one of the things i encourage you to do. You should not carry an impeachment inquiry. Do you agree with that . Completely. Mr. Dubinsky would you like to see the bank records . Absolutely. Viceli president neuwirth hes engage in any conduct that in any way will he knew his son was involved that would move forward the interest of russia and china china he is the former Vice President were doing the same thing or knew his son was doing it or helped him in any meaningful way the American People need to know if it were presents a candidate for the Democratic Partyty in 2019 knew about and it does things the American People deserve to know and with that i yield back. The gentleman yields back and i now feel to Ranking Member raskin for brief closing statement. Thank you mr. Chairman. Making fun of the seinfeld impeachment an impeachment hearing about nothing apparently two days before the government is about to shut down but i want to sail for these witnessesve he done a Great Service for us not just the republicans for the democrats to when i want to thankan them for their patience and understand their surprising consensus on the key questions today. Thist process might not be suca whipping post to be heard from actual fact witnesses which iss why it and so dismayed by the Party Line Vote to call Rudy Giuliani or ascii to testify. If the majority is abandoning ukraines burisma. Which is to be the heart of the investigation is interested clearly we dont need them. If you are not not the completef fact witnesses that troubles us so much is the complete absence of facts. When iab started out as a young assistant attorney general my first day of work i said council you have forgotten the very first rule of being a which is when you go to court dont forget to bring the evidence withco you. Im worth. Thei majority forgot to bring e evidence with them today. Her gop colleagues are frustrated and i knowtoin why. Their own witnesses dont agree with them. A dozen gop members on that side of the aisle on the committee called for impeachment of and yet these three expert witnesses have all agreed there is not a sufficient quantum of evidence that would justify impeachment of President Biden. It is not professor turleys fall. I dont know if they looked across the country for other law professors i dont thank you could find what you say theres a quantum bit of evidence and maybe john eastman but i think he is detained these days. The fact is that this hearing has been dominated by the word if, as many people have said. Filled with hypotheticals and im a law professor so im not it imagine a word without hypotheticals but you dont impeach a president based on hypotheticalsic and obsolete conspiracy theories. Finally we have talked aloud about ukraine today kind of elusively and directly. We talked about the burisma theory and we talked about Rudy Giuliani and less burnout than their travels and we have talked about the ukraine shakedown. While we were debating all of this and mentioning ukraine there is an important debate going on on the house floor. The republican majority in the House Rules Committee has advanced an amendment to delete 300 million from the defense appropriations act which will go to provide military and Security Assistance to the people of ukraine who are struggling to defend themselves against Vladimir Putins body in the invasion and careless attack on their National Sovereignty and the rule of law there. That war has involved mass kidnappings of children and i would love to hear from some of our friends on the other side of the aisle the qanon talk about the actual kidnapping of children is taking place in ukrainech today and thats rapef women and girls en masse civilian atrocities, the bombing of civilian residences, schools and hospitals and so on. Yet the protrump pro putin elements ino the and i know that doesnt apply to everybody in the other side of the aisle thank god and i appreciated everything ken buck has been doing these people are trying to cut funding for a democratic allies in ukraine. The assault that began on your cream whichs ukraine shakedown holding up security and strategic assistance to them until he about joe biden and continues to this day in their efforts to cut off military and economic assistance to the people of ukraine. Well be fighting that and i hope we be able to get separate legislation and then they wont have the vote for but in any event the question of ukraine is a very serious one and everybody stands up for democracy freedom and the rule of law should be on the side of ukraine. In one thing i didnt hear from my friends across the aisle in their neverending defense of the bidens is what exactly the biden family did to receive 20 million . Not one thing. Todays hearing title is the basis for an impeachment inquiry of president joseph r. Biden. We are here to talk about impeachment not inquiry. Articles of impeachment. We are talking about impeachment today and they know that. In and the democrats Investigations Committee and of my leadership does not launch investigationt based on predetermined conclusions. We have entered an impeachment and great because her witnesses testified by the evidence justifies that. This is how investigation is supposed to work. I know some are confused about the investigation because democratic investigations are aboutt conclusion first and cherrypicking evidence to do that narrative. The bottom line is the Committee Show the bidens alone have broughtei in 15 million in over 24 million if you count this schemes. If established in the first phase of the investigation with mice come from ukraine romania russia kazakhstan and china. Didnt come from selling anything legitimate. It largely went unreported and reported to the irs. It was funneled through third parties to hide the biden fingerprints. This deserves investigation. This deserves accountability. The American People expect this committee to investigate public corruption. Ve we know much of the money goes to Hunter Biden James Bidens sarah biden and other family members. What we need to understand his work is next but thats a question the Committee Seeks to answer and evidence supports that next step. Joe biden showed up andid met wh and had meetings with including the white house the foreign individuals who sold access to him but but this was no illusiof access. They got access. My democratic colleagues want to spend this hearing defending the present against an impeachment thatt was not announced. They predetermined the present level of participation but two days ago the committee revealed a wire of 40 million was sent to joe bidens home address. As of yesterday joe biden obtained a search warrant that was quashed by the department of justice employees. For my college to say theres no evidence of joe bidens evolvement is not only wrong. Acknowledges investigators are being shut down when they attempt to asks forever has led to the present. Witnesses today have identified the evidence the committee has been covered and deserve further inquiry. That is what this committee will do. No matter where that evidence leads and i want to thank the witnesses further testament today. It converts the evidence involved in the investigation of joe bidens willens Families International byzantines and justifies the next step of this investigation but one of the steps is gaining insight to where the biden foreign money ended up and for what purposes . Therefore today i will proceed to bank records and Hunter Biden James Biden and their affiliated companies and with that i their major flight time to chairman jordan. I thank the gentleman for yielding. In his deposition Hunter Bidens Business Partner was asked this fundamental question. This is a request from burisma. The request was held from the United States government to deal with the pressure they were under from their prosecutor to mr. Archers response, correct. Later question the few minutes later with his hunter biden to after he was given this request . Mr. Archers response, he called his dad. Someone important in the United States government. Which begs the obvious question, what did his dad to . He gets the request from burisma and he calledd his dad and what does his dad to . Five days later he gets on the plane and flies to ukraine and he starts the process of firing that prosecutor. That is why mr. Turley said earlier that this is a confirmed corrupt influence peddling effort. He thinks thats what joe biden gave him and by the way that all happened even though the obama frustration had just written the prosecutor general few months early and said we are impressed with the ambitious performance of anticorruption agenda of your government. Do you know what he did . Decided on the plane. Read the Washington Post. September 15, on the plane joe biden called and an audible. It was time for bigger punch in the loan guarantee. He used the money of the people i represent in the 4th district of ohio to help his family and anyone with a brain can see that. That was the point of lead leverage. Poroshenko was told that alone would not be forthcoming until shogan was gone and they didnt stop there. They made sure the next prosecutor asked the charges against the very guy who requested this hot tap in the first place. The head of burisma. That is the case. Thats why the chairman wants the bank records but thats way through doing an impeachment inquiry. They cant get simpler than that and it all happened. It all happened in five days. He gets the request because his dad and his dad calls the audible to leverage the change. Again i think anyone with common sense can see that and i yield back. Is a housekeeping measure from last. Weeks markup of h. R. 4428, 4984, 5527, 55 and 20 not on plot postal package house rule that up in Committee Members have erased to file additional and additionally the staff is authorized to make technical and conforming changes to the bill subject to the approvalau of minority without objection, so ordered. In closing i want to thank our panelists once again for their import insightful testimony today and with data without objection all members have five legislative days within which to submit materials and submit extra wooden questions is for the witnesses which will be forward to the witnesses further response. If there is no further business without objection the committee stands adjourned. 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