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Weekends on cspan2 are in intellectual feast. Every saturday amerin history tv documents america story and on sunday, book tv brings you the latest of nonfiction books and authors. Funding for cspan2 comes from these Television Companies and more including buckeye broadband buckey broadband along with these Television Companies supports cspan2 is a public service. I am happy to now introduce our final panel today which brings together a highly Impressive Group of scholars and practitioners dedicated to the preservation of the white house. Something that is very near and dear to us here. Doctor Matthew Costello Vice President of the National Center for white house history and Senior Historian at the White House Historical association will moderate the conversation. Our first panelist is leslie president of the Thomas Jefferson foundation which owns and operates monticello. In addition to this work, she is served by president ial appointment on the committee for the preservation of the white house under president s joe biden , donald trump, barack obama, george w. Bush and bill clinton. President of the White House Historical association bleeding the associations nonprofit, nonpartisan mission to support conservation and preservation at the white house with private funding. John standve which serves as the National Park liaison to the white house overseeing the National Park services for the care of the white house and its grounds. As well as the park areas immediately surrounding the white house. Finally, we are joined by the curator of the white house. She has been part of the territorial staff since 1979. Lectured and published articles on the white house collection and specializes in historical photographs of the executive mansion. Please join me in welcoming our panelists to the stage for our final panel today. [applause] put me in the middle here. Thank you for s that. For me to get into the conversation, i figured i would share a little bit about the history behind these efforts at the white house and some of the challenges that we face. In addition to the americans head of state they must serve as a ceremonial stage and as a museum all while continuing to function on a daily basis as a home for the first family. The white house is not frozen in time rather a Historic Place where they are constantly unfolding. This makes the task even more challenging when the Historic Site is used for large events, press conferences, state dinners , holiday parties those can be especially treacherous. In johns case easter egg rolls, concerts, picnics and tree lighting. All of these things i would imagine can do a number, also marine one landings, just your ordinary things you have to deal with at a Historic Site in. [inaudible] yes, exactly. They bring a different perspective on these issues. I would like to summarize a brief history of preservation at the white house. For nearly a c century, holmes occupants struggle by the American Public and press. Congress appropriated funds studying with john adams for 14,000. 20,000 during Andrew Jacksons presidency and stated that amount until the presidency of calvin coolidge. As you can imagine, the money went quickly. It was not evenly distributed across the room. Since these funds did not go very far, broken items, shifting items between rooms to address different concerns andnd when necessary filling outdated or worn out items at public auction and using the proceeds to buy new items for the house. Congress passed legislation that mandated all furniture purchase for the white house should be as faram as practicable american or domestic manufacturer. All off this was included as pat of the appropriations bill. There were ways around this as we heard for example the china services. French maidte and brought to the United States and purchase from american firms. The white house was after all an office in a home and an extremely acceptable one at best this impacted the house, the appearance and its furnishings. 1842, author Charles Dickens wrote of his experiences in the white house. He noticed a multitude of people asserting more thanse anything else as they had no particular business at the white house sort that anybody knew of while waiting for president john tyler , dickens made note of the gentleman waiting with him. They bestow their favors so abundantly upon them that i take for granted the president ial housemates have high wages. No one saw these carpets as artifacts worthy of preserving rather they were seen more as household necessities. Some people were just not polite enough to put their spit into a bucket. Only later in the 19th century did citizens begin to see these places and objects differently. Historical significance and relevancy, much like we heard earlier today. The movement inn the wider cultural awakening behind Historical Preservation was propelled by women. Journalists, photographers, researchers and eventuallyin curatorsde. Caroline harris attempt to catalog white house china to create a display for the public to see china and the executive mansion transpired shortly after the centennial celebration of the constitution and the constitution of the first presidency George Washington. This was not a coincidence. As we heard earlier, this idea of commemorations and centennial s veryef much connected to this wider idea of what is American History. Who defines it, who tells the story . It would take some time to solidify asti the first ladys responsibilities. There are some examples worth mentioning. We heard a bit of this earlier. Edith roosevelt overseeing a major white house renovation but also suggestingrr the first lady become on the first floor corridor. We had edith wilson who created and designated the china room on the ground floor. Grace coolidge who worked with them and lou hoover who oversaw the first systematic study of white house artifacts, origins and even permitted documentary photographs be taken of the private quarters. All of these women, and we heard this in the late Morning Panel contributed these women and others to the evolving idea of preservation at the white house. After the truman renovation, first lady spearheaded a restoration of the executive mansion. Her hiring ofse the first curatr as well as the support of congress through publicc law 87286 and act concerning the white house providing for the care preservation of this historic and historic content specifying the need to preserve and interpret the museum character of the ground floor corridor in the public rooms on the state floor. It also codify the furniture fixtures and decorative items are in alienable and considered the property of the white house. Missus kennedy supported the preservation of the association as a cooperating organization with the National Park service. We are proud to maintain that 60 years later. While missus kennedys time at the white house was tragically cut short, her successor lady bird johnsonso and her husband, president Lyndon Johnson further institutionalized these roles and our ongoing relationship. President johnson issued executive order 11145 which officially created the position of white house curator and the committee for the preservation of the white house. We will talk a little bit more about what that is. The coalescence of these ideas and practices and in collaboration between government private advisory, practitioner, all taking place in the 1960s and set the new standard for the white house. Today we will learn more about these roles, these organizations wand how we collaborate to cary out this critical work. So, i would like to begin with the big question that i will post to all of the panelists. You will approach preservation from different perspectives in different capacities. What would you say is your overarching philosophy when it comes to preserving the white house . Anybody that wants to begin. [inaudible] sure. Preservation of the white house. It is not just material culture. You so eloquently stated all the different roles it has. Preservation has each of those roles. You look at that executive order and it talks about this, a place of democracy. I think preservation at the white house is much more than the typical understanding. This is also preservation of power. This is a place of preservation s of ideas. Ideas that actually define us as americans. The only thing that defines americans is ideas. We are i not a tribe, we are noa religion. This is the nuclei of those idea has. For us on the committee and the Curators Office and john and all of the wonderful people we have been able to Work Together on preservation, all of it comes together in a preservation standpoint. But then they also hit the spractical. The press at the White House Christmas parties. All of these things that make us a living breathing museum. Most off us in preservation woud not think about. Thank you very much. That was a really eloquent start we have been involved with the white house since 1933. The collections since 1961. I r feel, you know, it really speaks to what the National Park service is about. Telling the story of this nation for future generations. I feel like that is what we do every day working here at the white house. I feel like, you know, all of those things that we see are important for people we sometimes takeom it for granted. People really see each one of those things as meaning something to them. Waiting their whole life to see. It is very important that we all bear together making sure that that place is very special for people when they come to visit. As we said, it is an ever dynamic environment. It is changing every moment. Changing with every administration. We have to be there to adjust and be nimble and work with it. At the same time, understand trust has been given to us from presidency and first families before. Both areas are there and it is sacred to them and it will be sacred to future generations of our leaders and families as well to come in the future. It is really important that we collectively share and Work Together collaboratively. Ere not a traditional museum. Were first and foremost the home of the president of the United States and then a Historic House museum with an important collection of fine and decorative arts. So our objects are used people do sit on our 19th century chairs and sofas. We do have regular tours. There are a number of events that take place in state four rooms as weve been hearing food and drinks are served in these rooms. So the question for us is what can we do to help preserve this collection and the white house for the future and for a few future first families, and we do this in a number of ways, a number of ways, we have the Training Session to training on how best to handle the collection. Also they are actually on hand and we give a new presentation to new employees as part of an orientation session to tell them about white house history and about our collection which numbers about 60000 objects. We amplified to them important objects can be found in all public spaces that they may see on a daytoday basis so we ask them, unless you are a guest, please not sit there, please dont walk through the flow rooms with their coffee cups. Invitinges them to help us preserve. The collection. We monitor anything at risk and hopefully will be identified and access modifications to protect it. I turned monitors to condition all of our objects and arrange them to examine the collection and work to establish priorities for objects in need of treatment and arrange for that conservation. There have been times when fragility of a piece retires it. If this happens, it doesnt mean its going to be sent off to storage but we now have an opportunity place it on display at the Visitor Center for the smithsonian. Thank you for this and i think you for putting this date together, it been a marvelous day. Im starting my ninth year here of the association and i dont think it had four perspectives of f voices in the white house securing or park service and our voice, it is an interesting fundamental look at how the continuity of care foror the place, president something well and i have been 46 presidencies and 45 men and they are different as they can be, all of them but they have one thing in common and that one thing they have in common is that little white house about 200 yards from where we are sitting right now so we exist, the White House Historical association as a living legacy of missus kennedy outlined what she did miraculously, shes 31 years old when her husband becomes president. First lady for less than three years during the assassination of her husband. She could have thought she haddi four or eight years to put something in place but she frontloaded that, thank goodness and 11 president s and mercedes kennedys have been able too benefit from and take advantage of things like the curators care. The committee for the preservation white house to be the sound of voices of counsel and first ladies. In our case, the non taxpayerfunded to make this possible. If you look at homes and heads of state around the world, even Buckingham Palace and number ten, sorry any british friends watching but number ten in the furniture is great, you cant go to parliament and say it would be a screaming headline in the newspapers but missus kennedy, a short period of timee put in place procedures including us so over this time they make possible the things lydia and had to be done in the preservation of the white house advises the first lady should be donee or how they should be undertaken and its an amazing privilege this country has in our organization has to do that on behalf of the american people. Think of it like a tech writer to make that possible but we are more deeply invested in the care of the house and all three of these t aspects and being their biggest fans and cheerleaders is what they do to make it possible what they do it is a brilliant system in our country is fortunate to have this structure in place. That is a greate transition because we are talking about collaboration and different entities and organizations Work Together. You have distinct roles related to the white house and work collaboratively on acquisition efforts so in terms of process, i was wondering if you could enlighten us as a channel from a how does this work . How do these relationships work or sometimes they dont work as well, how do acquisitions work . Pull back the curtain and tell us more about the relationships. Ill take that one. Obviously a lot of got here in different ways. I studied the law diplomacy at the university and i was anticipating working for the state Department Going overseas and working from a study american diplomatic history and my concentration was on special relation and brought me to the National Historical park with john quincy adamse home so i wet there for research and they interest me and jobs of the park service but i looked back at my training at diplomacy and everyday we has never used it as much. [laughter] everyday matter what to t do, yu need to be a diplomatic, remind yourself of your mission what you are trying to accomplish, what that goal is but you have to cooperate and appreciate everyone elses mission at the same time. Thirteen other federal agencies working on the complex and we also have great partners like the White House Historical association will have in this unsurmountable amount of tasks to preserve and protect. We couldnt do it without collaboration and cooperation, a lot needs to be done and sometimes partners have totally different visions and we have an im sure all of you know weve been working the last twohe yeas replacing the white house so that project is a huge project with the u. S. Secret service on so sometimes theirpr mission to protect the first family and the complex c but we collectively he to make them aware that fund, historical object needs to be reserved in his own story told, so lydia and her team Work Together, we work with secret service to let them know how important it was cataloged it and make sure it is protected and taking care of so we got a slide there so you can see historical event here inside the white house and we are in the process of replacing back with about 6foot 2inch ends with a 12footu fence and you can see the project on the south side going on and here on the pennsylvania avenue side. Along the way you can imagine the fabric we touched, we had to make sure secret service was to be respectful in the process we had to go through to put that fence in and all the work that needed to go on to do that there was one real symbol of success we had in this collaborative objective on the Southeast Side of the white house complex along east street and we believe hader been there probably before George Washington and we told the secret service of all things we need to make sure we preserve, think about where the white house is an special place and they are hesitant at first because it costs a lot more money and time that needed to go in and it prevailed so when yall have time, i invite you to go along east street and look at thato large tree there and say e collaboratively workea togethern important things we enjoy and hopefully a lot of future generations can enjoy as well. Did you want to but how does the process work with acquisition or how the projects are processed and moved . We need to work collaboratively to add an object to the collection f but somethig part of theav permanent white house collections, there is a process would have to follow. We have what is called collectio policy approved by the committee for preservation of the white house first passed in 1992 is been revised twice since then. It outlines the criteria we need to follow to acquire something from the white house and describes the collection. Fourth president sc and first country american ones in the white house, its something we want to acquire in the collection, things that have a strong white house. With the exception of Commission President and first lady, we do not. The artist has to be the work of at least 25 years old. Often objects have brought to our attention donation and this happens, we will compile images and note information about that object including conditions, exhibition and put this together as a packet and present information to the committee of which leslie has been a long time member of in hopes it will get that approval and there are times when we do not. As i said, the policy has been a few times since this past in 1992 and working with future committees changes to the policy are possible no caps to the future. I should mention priorities on what we acquire sometimes determines by the administration and first family. During the Obama Administration for example, there was a desire to collect more modern work in the collection and the committee we acquire wonderful paintings by artist such as joseph albert, lori lichtenstein, all during the administration, family dining room was refurbished. It is a showcase modern design. You have a photograph of that, dont you . We are going too segue in. I can be really quick. It usually starts with the curator. They are not only caring for the collection but you understate your incredibled role and find those things and try to stay under the radar while you try to find those because depending on how much is known, it is going to change the price so there is an incredible role they have and the committee is meant to do two things, protect the first family from having to t make decisions thatha would have favor so there is a political role the committee is to play to protect the first family as well as political game and then if we havet expertise. I love the fact that we had windy cooper and richard, such deep experience in material culture so we might advise on price, condition or i think theres one of those generally they may have already got that so it is wonderful and a great joy. It does begin with the curators and what is needed and wanted whether something first lady has identified and go to for advice and counsel and cover need be and the association to do Research Time to time to fund this project for this acquisition and because the white house has proceeded and it is w one other is to this will t only bought at an auction or opportunity but we have two ways, there are with annual experience will see something that may be taken care of in terms of one of the most interesting examples when the first lady and doors in the whitee house scratches for years and years and it is a major project but to take the time and way and it was disturbing to the family and everything that was something that had begun going through the white house could say these beautiful doors butsat was necessary to have someone caring about those things and having a first lady comes to greatly. My next question will is to educate the public and also plays a role in supporting his efforts, you tell us more about our role that you mentioned as now for presidencies to acquire, roughly 111 million invested much time was was the green room. Million dollars and it was about 300,000 so we are fortunate to have the resources accumulated and support individuals, we have no government funding whatsoever and it comes from the private philanthropy all of this close together to make these Resources Available when you and it is a wonderful example the types of things required in the collection. Some of the most recent projects dining room either, a significant amount, since the first africanamerican female artist in the white house collection, this is for work title resurrection and we can take that through our education program, amplify the message of the story and history of facing a wall and people artist this will select for in the room and the contrast is fascinating which is dark and Board Members are considering support for this project federal appearance and the direction the further we get into the 21st century the great artist of the mid and late 20th century are eligible to hold their works in the collection and here they are. They have the opportunity to showcase as well from the house early in the 20th century and agrees a whole different mention and go along and change that and that is prerogative of specific Capital Project with first lady and her team and we recognize and discuss we finish this part of the project but the most extreme part and those of you who happened to be in the western wall in the state dining room and coming through those windows that faded almost to a color, it was bad. This is not wallpaper or paint it was fully upholstered and that was during the term presidency. This was a wonderful project, this is the rug on the floor, the room the president goes to the helicopters so. From the path and down the hallway the south lawn so wheres and it is a lot of where so this was replaced with this program which is significant is beautiful, the previous rug had this seal around the perimeter of the is replaced with a beautiful addition and it is beautiful. The copula photograph, extraordinary image an amazing work. This is the furniture in which is much including returns to the White House Team 17 and resist abfurniture and it is a fair in the white house and the red color. Overtime is one and i think its whittled down to one piece and tragic from the collection and the next president to calm it requires that change but at this time, this dutiful furniture comes in and is also gonna cancel one piece. We work with her on that and others since tuesday, i believe there is now in the white house collection, 11. Eleven pieces including festival and the screen you see is the most recent grade if you had seen that when it was acquired, he wouldnt look at it twice. It had been in the trash somewhat extraordinary and this entire suite thanks to the leadership, the entire team put together to restore it is spectacular an investment of 700,000 to do the table and duplicate pieces created over time but our privilege, you would think this is beautiful but if you look at refurbished hes next to hes not refurbished, its like night and day to amazing accomplishment crediting in the support of the americanan people. A stunning example and another great thing presidency started under missus obama continues under missus trump, really amazing. The blue room is in transition and the white house, you tell us the project that resonated and wife . It was 1993 and this is clintons request. I and in 1991. How much it has changed this is anything that didnt last long as i think it was the lasti major so we are looking ahead to the future and when thece governors conferences. Going back, it is potentially lying. For me on the committee, we are looking at how to take this on and there was a sense of making it was local. Everything done in the furniture which i think it was actually a question and why you knew look like a monarchs so there was some politics even from the beginningg you cant see where e is [laughter] and these pieces of it and does the whites house and everything has to be paid in. Pendants remove the centerpiece of the struggle. To work with. De this is well documented and produced slightly deeper blue and we have them planning and we need the declaration and it can go fast. And this is amazing chair, so far the rug, the first family separated, i think it was kathy and what do we do about the rug . There is a presumption we didnt have any rug so we would have to find something that lookedel lie it. I t think windy cooper and i, we scratch their heads and got i guess it was historical, cant lisa find something that is nott like that piece . Then we discovered these paint papers in these rugs that were sent through so we were able to find paper. And its a huge struggle and it would be letting pretty accurate. I was wondering about the effort where are these things cap . A much larger facility that maintains the National Park this but one project want to tell you involves the territorial onsite longtime storage having been renovated since the 80s so just imagine this space. This shows you how. It looked prior to the renovation. In 2019 to make some changes, this was to be pleasing and the researcher and what started out as a refresh and a complete renovatione, we were fortunate for the White House Historical association. It would not have been possible, all the work that needed to be done in the space and it would not have been possible. To begin designing this space, make better use of the Space Available to us and we were able plan open shelving, painting rocks and a new lighting system and a new hvac system to improve the wireless data logging so that the project was we definitely wanted to take. Everybody in the Curators Office had able. The one person i wanted to bring attention is our associate curator, she youre headed this project. Reaccreditation is to occur next year so we knew this would be rough. This three week period, this was in place and transported to the facility and the longterm storage. This included 156 frameworks, 287 pieces of glassware, numerous sculpture pieces and documentation photographs and even our collection of 18th century. We use this opportunity to assess which objects should be stored in the room. Each object expands the photograph and the determination and it should remain onsite in the facility there is one section i want you to see the before picture. [laughter] this is one section and if you go to the next picture, you will see what it looks like the. We added a shelving unit, one device helped increase storage capacity. Next slide. We also found storage cabinets to be saved including ones that have these figures. Next slide. Probably the most dramatic occurred. Fortunately i dont have a before picture to show you but there was an old piece, larger rather large piece that used to be in the room. By replacing it, we were able to add additional racks. Here you see the old room today, this refrigerator is located behind the screen and it has the painting on it. Now in addition to the object space, we can display works for researchers, lighting in the room we can mimic daylight if we need to. Photographers and conservators to work on projects. Much like home kitchen renovation project, there were things including covid and president ial transition so while it was completed by the end of 2020, the cabinets and objects involved until early last year so to see the images and think the association. One of the last things i wanted to talk about another good example and involved all of us as partners andrg organizatis and i wanted to start by showing you a few slides of what looked like us to answer the first question, it was not complete h there, it was his office and cabinet room and harry truman renovation, truman ordered the lincoln era items and these items removed in this particular space so this is from the Eisenhower Administration and periodically were different changes but for the most part it was the bedroom and Herbert Hoover called the lincoln study, fdr called the lincoln study and the lincoln bedroom aftert hearing truman but there was this interest about what to do with this from restore, you call into bedroom so the troop lincoln era and used space so i wanted to ask panelists to talk us through the project, what all went into it and how it came about and how it was executed. I will open up the floor to whoever would like to start off. During lincolns time, that is not the bedroom, it was the office. They were not placed in the lincoln bedroom under president truman. Until the early 2000s, the rooms are not mentioned. You are seeing in the early photos, it was installed in that room in 1852 so you can imagine early 2000 it was time to replace. Laura bush decided to take the project on. It would have been to create this study for the lincoln furniture and the room should be restored as much as possible so january 2002, she approached the committee for the preservation of the white house and asked they would bring their expertise to participate in this endeavor. In this official room, it achieved this over the years and it was important they be involved. There would be a lot of interest in anything done to the room erthat we were fortunate the committee agreed to take this on a special subcommittee expert was appointed to work on the project. An example of how financial in the room originally, it was in a room down the hall and you have furniture among that furnishing and there is this little whichto is trying to take this back so you have furniture in it bedroom to try to get that in your head. And the best way of putting it, we have a photo determined with the print of the cabinet, an incredible moment so windy cooper we went through how we put it together and maybe we move, it is Outstanding Center stage of it and this is how it looked and there were balances and lincoln is using this as a cabinet it could find that. We found i think the order for the carpet and they describe the colors and i think we put a little purple, we had to was that the original . We got some purple in there and with wallpaper took the design and made it neutral so the furniture could aesthetically have what they needed. Whichever way you want to go so surviving into the 20thnt century it disappeared so some little girl has the original. [laughter] then if we go to the next one, you can see the mere, im not being easy to follow here but this has the shield and dialogue the windows of the canopy, the carved from a so they are accurate to the room. The center table was in the collection and it was part of that but what was lacking was the same level was the original in the room, it was a little simple and they had this collection of furniture and it was more than we could ever display so by then we put our Heads Together and the marble was re carved because of the photographs but that had not survived either o left is detailed from this to help the carver determine what they look like and thats how it appears noww. Talk about the soldiers home. I think it was fun step use it in the 1930s that it is part of the collection. It had a book case attached. But i think it is a great photo to see how we integrate as the emancipation proclamation and the cabinet of the room. They do have reproduction of the and he spent a quarter of hiss presidency so this was whee he contemplated the ideas and he drafted the eliminate so they wanted that so they had it brought to the white house and it is a fitting way to end. Before we do that, any questions for our panelists . I think mine is a park service ocean. Im wondering when the community went up in front of the white house i think during the Clinton Administration and thats one pennsylvania avenue was open to the public. Its really unusual, i talked about partnering between different agencies so it is jurisdictional and they had maintenance jurisdiction so we take care of pennsylvania avenue but also have the legal and core Lafayette Park on the other side so obviously for security reasons for that ever happening anytime soon, obviously the white house is all about continuity and change. Those things exchange, hopefully maybe in the future security such that we might not have these but security might not be in a different way, to happen so we are working with secret serviceer and officer. For that to happen after. Think of. I have a question about looking forward, future repair and renovation priorities from the jurisdiction of White House Historical association and john from the 18 acres outside, what do you foresee the next priorities will work on with the next five years . One of my dreams is to find appropriate entrance for visitors to the white house so we have talked about how to restore the white house and restore character. The approach is so beneath what we should be doing that its getting people to bring attention to that situation and work to affect the way in that i think we could be proud of and they are learning about the significantt rather than going through makeshifthe tents, it detracts from peoples ability in the area so it is something we want to make you all aware of and we would t try to advocate r a vision to creatett that. In addition, a more holistic experience from the Visitors Center and maybe come up with ways oft modernizing the things we offered to the public. Image of both of youou on th. [laughter] this is our message including how close you can get to the white house and the only defense of the city bombing but also when it was put up on the north side of the park and we were feel for, is this the new normal . S and they come into the house and experience knowing what you are about to see and tours are selfguided so unless you know what youre looking at, you dont know what you are looking at. So many times people have been waiting in line in the coming that door and there is a secret Service Agent and 90 was a, is this the white house . Are we in . [laughter] yes, you are in. Comeme on in. There is a real need, we will talk about this and have plans for this but amen, this is something that really needs to be done for visitors experience. I want to say, thank you for working an act that keeps people in access even though we are dancing unfortunate circumstances, it gives people access to be able to understand the events going on and helps people be over. I would love see a more inclusive story of the white house so staffing and resources and this is about features of families and their stories they wish to china light on and it is track of being m honest and we have been tackling this, to. We can tell you that conversations are underway and we are actively engaged but there is a scenario where there making unknown. Any others . With now got new bicycle lanes going all the way down 15th street and electric scooters on the sidewalk and people waiting to get into thes white house to her and there is so much going on in front of the sherman monument that needs to be addressed for citizens who waited so long to get in and how to consummate you mature, lovely seeing the multicolored flowers and roses. The issue you are raising is not an ideal situation of all. We have worked to bring as many jorgensen so that they dont provide a target for the but obviously theres only so muchd room and it is more challenging. It is definitely something we are aware of and hopefully we can work on that. When i first came here, i couldnt believe literally just go in and look at the white house grounds and you live there and they would come back and haunt me, it was incredible so these enjoy the. Hopefully that will continue. Any of the questions . Join me in a round of applause for our panelists. [applause] this brings us to close our entire day and i want to thank our panelists and everyone who participated all day long, it is extraordinary occasion. Ex our shop is open if any with like to take advantage of our shop. I hope h you all follow the missions we all undertake in our locations and various social media program. One thing i love about an occasion together that brings together various perspectives if we are not competitors of one another, we are supporters and inspiration to each other. Even when there is a particular donor we know in the might get a generous gift time to time, giving it to you or you because it puts it for all of us. History is of vital critical timportant thing for us to know more about than to teach until and as i said earlier today, 45 United States, they have one thing in common and it is this white house. So much American History even times and technology with Thomas Edison and all that has happened in the building we call the white house. Thank you for your support and generosity to all of us and to those who putut this on again. Is there anything else . The book signing, thats right. We have ahi wonderful book, onef our more recent publications, publishing books was the first, kennedy in 1961 whod been to the white house as a team with her mom and now we publish four to six books a year, quarterly magazine and one of the authors on this beautiful book and she will be doing a book signing here. It. Nary issue. So thank you all for coming. Have a safe travel home