Transcripts For CSPAN2 History 20240704

Weekends on cspan2 are an intellectual feast. Every saturday, american histo tv documents america story and on sunday, book tv brings you the latest nonfiction books and authors. Funding for cspan2 comes from these Television Companies and more including charter communications. Proud to be recognized as one of the best internet providers. We are just Getting Started building 100,000 mil of new infrastructure to reach those who need it most. Charter communications along with these Television Companies of sport support cspan2 is a public service. Hello everyone and welcome to tonights program. Thank you so much for being here i come to you from the center of brooklyn history out Brooklyn Public Library which is the librarys arts and culture arm that brings you so many programs and conversations like tonight as well as musical performances, family and children events, literary and t philosophical discussions and so much more. Tonights program, the history is one part of a much larger and far ranging initiative honored to be presenting partnership with the leadership of the center appeared this Initiative Includes the of the cultural art which is now on view at the library and environmentalpr Education Center appeared many future programs and topics like the purchase of manhattan seeing the meaning in an upcoming history. I am humbled to represent my colleagues who have led the ambitious effort. It is truly my honor to introduce tonights discussionn on their behalf. In a few moments, you will hear three perspectives on a history that has too long been overlooked, misrepresented and lied about. For 10,000 years lived in an area that includes stool the base of pennsylvania, connecticut, new york and delaware. Ways are often brutal forced migration forced removal this first nation to its first locations oklahoma to wisconsin departing further north and west before i introduce tonight speakers, i have two quick notes for you. Hope my computer you have the option to use closed captioning tonight. That button isnt at the bottom f your screen. Second, i want to invite you to share your questions tonight. Use the q a box which is also at the bottom of your screen. Now, it is my honor to introduce our speakers and turn it over to them. Curtis is a member of the delaware tribe of indians and cofinder and codirector of the center based in new york city which promotes the history and culture of the people through the arts, social identity and environmental activism. This multimedia experience includes writing, producing, directing, acting, narrating efforts. Joe baker is an artist educator, curator and activist who has worked for the native arts for the past 30 years. He is an enrolled member of the delaware cried in oklahoma and cofounder and executive director of the center appeared he is also a professor at Columbia University school of social work and was recently visiting professor at Colorado College and joke curated the exhibition i mentioned earlier. A citizen of wisconsin and first line descendent. In addition to her many speaking engagements, she has become the accidental activists speaking to different groups about racism and trauma and helping to build awareness of our environment, cyber clean water and others in the community. She isw a former director of Cultural Affairs and now at the director of education for the project. Our moderator tonight has been the executive director of the osco its Institute Since 2006. Born and raised in romania, previously working as an associateel researcher at the parliament. You take position on the un special advisor on the prevention of genocide. Welcome. Welcome to you all. I will now turn this over to curtis for word. Welcome on behalf. [speaking in native tongue] good evening, everyone. Welcome to this amazing webinar. I am a codirector of the lineup a center appeared stool the arts and cultural organization, manhattanbased in the beginning , but now we cover the integrity. Extending into the foothills of the cap hills mountains. Including eastern pennsylvania and new jersey and entering into the delaware bay. It is amazing that we are part of the webinar this evening and on behalf of the lynn abe center and speaking as a lineup a man i welcome you to this place and we are very glad that you are here with us this evening from wherever you are joining us. Thank you. Thank you appeared i would like to welcome everyone. Recognizing that i am talking to you today from the land of the original people. I would like to start by recognizing that the organization with joyce to lead the institute is in the land and i would also like to recognize the deep connection to the homeland. An organization dedicated to intervention. The institute believes in the importance of the colonial genocide. The community and the resilience still today continuing to resist inviting all of us to listen to this very important discussion. To open our hearts to learning about the history of our land and the history of the people of our land. I wouldu like to invite curtis o start us off in this discussion. Thank you. All right. I was asked to write an essay aboutt what was called the migration of the lynn abe and i ended up writing a lengthy essay but myy approach was to get away from the term of my egret migration. The more i reviewed and i remembered our story forced to relocation. Heand writing about our people e are the ones that encountered the europeans. Originally it began with the italian explorer settling for the front one pair he was sailing for the India Company trying to explore road routes for the for trade. Countering the lynn abe people. There are numerous stories and accounts written by explorers, military leaders, missionaries and other colonial settlers that talked about the lynn abe people as a strong and ancient people. With a culture and a belief system that in some ways actually were much akin to some of the british above all we have and still have a deep and spiritual relationship with the land. When we talk about being removed from the homeland, the homeland of the original people, to me and by extension to so many of our people it is like being an orphan. Someone who has been taken away from the arms of our mother and taken away far away to where we cannot see our mother anymore. There is a long history that goes all the way from original contact in the early 16th century to the late 19th century and today the lynn abe people are broken up into various groups and to date there are names that include the name delaware. D again, i am a member of the delaware tribe. That is our colonial name. Actually came from a British Columbia sir tom thomas west. A lot of people became known as the delaware throughout this historic period of time. As we encountered more and more of the europeans the dutch followed by the british and then ultimately the americans, as the hunger for more land and opportunity to have a free and independent land to live on, they displace the original people that were already free and independent People Living on that land. Our stories and much of what you will see in this exhibit will tell our story of how we were forced out of our land and an environment through war after a whilee we became war refugees. If you listen to the news or watch the news and you see about other countries and people in their own country in the theater of war, that is what they do lynn abe went through. Just exhibit will not only tell that story and there is my essay that i wrote through that trail forced removal where today the lynn not pay, todays modern descendents known as the delaware and i am an enrolled member of the delaware tribe northeastern oklahoma and we have been here since 1867. There are also other communities while they are in oklahoma, to southern ontario and one in wisconsin t. We are the descendents of the original lynn abe. We are like different branches from the same tree trunk. But that is rooted early in the home life. I have been over 10 years now. I feel like that orphan child who has come back, back to new york, back to connect with my mother. The motherland. The homeland. The original land. It is that deep Spiritual Connection with the land, the waters, the ancestors. It has never gone away. Thanks to the center for friendships and partnerships that we have made with such institutions as the Brooklyn Library and the center for brooklyn history. People are making a way for them to return to our homeland. In doing so and by telling this story, people learn that we still exist. There was so much eraser of our history and culture and language at least you are done by centuries of people who took over the land. Most often by force. Basically, out of the history. But the center and i were friends with the Brooklyn Library, we are here to tell you that we never died out. We are still here and we are grateful that we can come back to the homeland now and connect with the spirit of our homeland. In doing so, we continue the generational connection after all of these centuries back with the homeland. And that is extremely gratifying it exists more in our culture and language and we paid honor to the sacrifices of our ancestors. And the gift of the creator which we still have and that is passed down to us and we will continue in the cert and assert a claim to our homeland that we never willingly gave up. I hope you will learn about the center. We do have a website and you will find a lot of incredible information about the growth and development of our organization. All of the work that we have done. We are in arts and culture organization. We are very much engaged in environmental protection. Again, that land has the spirits i share with you this sense of the lynn not pay people are no longer. We have returned to our mother. And welcoming us back. We also are working with various organizations. We are taking our place back at the table of valor and we bring traditional knowledge and an incredible culture and language that only and richins the entire fabric of that. Which as you know works new york city. In all of the wonderful people that were have gathered together withth. With that, there are some other folks here representing. I want to share this time with them to provide additional perspectives. I encourage you to look throughout all of the activities that is going on here with the Greenpoint Library of brooklyn. The center for brooklyn history and you will only see much more bigger and better of the center in the years to come. So, with that, i say. [speaking in native tongue] thank you. Now we will turn to heather and joe and after that, we will open the discussion based on the questions that you are sending as we are starting the conversation. Now, i would like to invite heather to join the discussion. Hi. Thank you so much. My name is sunflower. I had my naming ceremony in september of 2020. I am honored to be part of this panel this evening. Thank you for the continued learning. I am honored to be here. In this community making sure the government lies in wisconsin i am very honored to be here from the homeland. I moved here in october of last year from wisconsin. In the council in southeastern michigan. I worked for a a number of years and now i am here and upstate new york. Technically i guess i am in the middle. I was wrong the whole time, but thatsl. Okay. I was just in the homelands here and im so honored to be part of this panel. I want to start with this. This is one of my favorites. It was from one of the activists we are not indians and we are not native americans. We are the people. We arel the human beings. You have to be really powerful to stop and think about that. We are that human beings. When i hear that i think about how we are the original. Weea are the ogs. Hiwe are the people here from te beginning. The beautiful turtle island. We were here first. This is our homeland. Through forced removal time andt time again. We were forced into different areas. I am a personal located in the land that was seated from the nation. Other nations gave up pieces of their home so that my ancestors, including this as well but other nations gave up their homeland. So that we could have a place to call home. The reason we needed that place to call home we were forced out from the start. The nation first encountered in 1609. Henry hudson as was mentioned earlier. From that moment on, from the moment that we collided with the indigenous lives of this land, we changed forever. We know it was changed forever. Now that i am in the homeland, now that i have the opportunity to come home, i cannot help when i am out in the land to stop and think about what my ancestors went through so that i could sit shere and talk to you about them today. Famine, disease, loss of land, forced removal, wars, gas, christianity, loss of self. Loss of tradition, loss of language. They didw all of that so they n now tell you their story. And contrary to popular belief the nation is older than colonization and we are older than the tales told. He got it very wrong. It is a very beautiful movement. Cinematography is great. It is not accurate. The people that are never still. The river that flows both ways. The hudson river. I dont call it that river. Because that is its name. So remember the homeland from new york to settling in the hearts of massachusetts. Part of our homeland. A great conversion happened there. That felt with christianity. Ind had the opportunity last summer to come to the homelands for the last time and walk the grounds in massachusetts. And think about the history. Everything that happened to them in that place. The Mission House which is located in stockbridge. Knowing what happened there, it was set up so that John Sergeant who was a missionary at the time could help convert people to christianity. You had all of these nations kind of coming together. What happened there is not only is there a loss of that traditional ceremony and religion, but what happens as it slipped away from us. We are no longer any of these things. Because, for some reason, it is too hard to remember all of those names. So they start by taking away their lands. So, from that moment on, you become indian. That kind of stuck with us. We consider ourselves smoky get in. Mohegan nation. Youni know we brought that colun is name with us. And whaten happens next is the american evolution starts. Independence. I will not lie to you. I love early colonial history. I find it very fascinating. What we dont talk about is that the nation and other indigenous nation including those which would have been we fell under George Washingtons banner. We were there. And what happens when we come back for more is when we are forced out of our homeland again when we were all fighting for the freedom for the United States. We were helping everyone. We come back in our land has been taken. This time were here. The land that we were supposed to help settle on for brothers and sisters, they have been forced into selling. We had no place to stay. So this time even further from our homeland. Moving to wisconsin. The southern part of the state where we settled in wisconsin. A place for us to be. Along the river. In that we really hit a major waterway. More transportation moving parks around. And settlement. Athey are coming into this are. We had to move again. And, so it was because of the nation giving up their homeland we finally moved further north and had a place to call home. It was also spread spread and that is where we are making most of this in the community. We embraced both of those. Four example, you know, we learned both languages. You can learn this and you can also learnd months he appeared y name captain in muncie. So, i am in mohican payments peapack here the position where we been getting a lot of land. Where we will be moving the livelihood. The community who fought very hard to stuck to their guns and were able to reclaim some of that during the passage of the indian reorganization act of 1934. The tribal government again. Able to have our leadership. The tradition puncture in recent years language. It is very important. And what we also started doing a started making the trips home. Back to the homeland. Back to the eastern parts of new york. Massachusetts, connecticut, vermont, new jersey, pennsylvania, people started coming home and it is such an amazing feeling when you step on these lands. Imb come again, made my first tp out herei last summer. The one that i hate bridges, i dont like bridges, their too hi, i dont like them, and i never looked down. As we were crossing over for the first time, i looked down. I looked down and i was nervous and i was not scared. I looked down and i saw, i saw my ancestors. I saw the villages and i saw the communityam. There is justice feeling that came over me. It was unbelievably amazing. And the happiness when away and the anger started to set in. The anger of knowing what happened here understanding the history of it from historic first. And i let that anger get a hold of me for a little while. Why . All for this land for progress. And itt is something that we hae to celebrate. We have two understand that. I feel so honored and so excited that thiss exhibit is up because it will be truth. It is spaces where truth was not always in. And that is really important. I feel so lucky that im able to be a part of this and talk about our history. Let me just finish with a quote from one of the greatest diplomat that the nation had. A speech in new york 1954 and the fourth of july. A lot of times to the federal government. What does it mean to an indigenous person. I want to leave you with this. I want you to think on it and meditate on it. The holy book in the bible. An individual offense punished in existence and time shall be no more. They are equally instructive for in this world to each existence of that stuff. These events for a wide purpose. Four myself and for my time i ask for justice. I believe that it will sooner or later occur and it will enable you to die and hope. Thank you very much for including me. I look forward to your questions thank you very much. It is a great pleasure for me to join this conversation this eveningy. I want to express my gratitude to the Public Library. Brooklyns history and the tribal members criticism. You know, my story and my thoughts tonight are really informed by the idea of both past and present and the organization while it has a historical thread and trajectory it is still very much alive and present in todays experience. Asas a tribal elder in the veten , i have made a conscious choice to return to the lynn abe homeland to do the work of buildingo the platform with the return of our people to this incredible place that is our home. Growing up in oklahoma i was inspired by the stories when you describe to return trips to the homeland back in the 1970s. That instilled in me a curiosity to know more about this place. What i want to share with you tonight is how the past also informs the president and how esome of these historical momes pein time have found expression and real Life Experiences of my life today at manhattan. My story begins with my family who gets first begins to appear in publications in the mid 1800s from the last Federal Reserve off the people in and around lawrence kansas. Prominent in the successful quantrills raid. It was a mentioned in that publication. That was in 1863. As they have mentioned, these places we were removed to that were going to become our permanent home were shortlived. With the events of the railroad into kansas, we, once again were forced to relocate to indian territory in 1867. At that time, the main body, by that definition, i mean those people who had stayed together throughout alles of the removals and found themselves once again the removed to indian territory. Remember 2530 families, they were on wagon trains moving into indianne territory. One person, grandma mahoney who was in the care of our family, by strictly family which is a traditional ceremony that ensures the help and wellbeing of the community. The community health. That was 1867. And 2021 through the efforts of the lynn abe center, the descendents of grandma mahoney family reunited again with the white turkey family. He lives in the phoenix area. Again joining with us here in new york for the lynn abe center and doing the good work of returning our presence here. From that place in oklahoma are, before the arrival into indian territory in 1867, we have to think about that Creative Time tbecause it was a result of the indian removal d act of 1830. And it forced over 60 different tribal nations into one area, indian territory. People coming into indian territory from different regions with different cultures and different beliefs and all living in close proximity to one another. And living with the purposeful goal of surviving speared how do we survive this place in time. And then along comes 1887. I want to share with you a moment two weeks ago when i was and it is actually i was learning more about the history of that particular place. And the history, it was established by a family in the 1870s and the resort began in 1870. In 18831916, the family decided to open their doors and invite conversations about Indian Affairs and both the house and senate ofsi the indian commissin to that resort about the policies that would affect indian communities across this country. It was created. It is a very personal thing to be standing in the exact place where laws and policies were created and envisioned that would remove acres. Opening up the surplus land settlement. It impacted my family then and it impacts my family today. These acts w of colonization tht we like to think of in the past, i think we have to really understand that they are active today. My family was awarded just under 700 acres. 160 acres for the individual and 80 acres. That impacted my grandmother and her allotment was consistent of 80. 95 acres in Washington County all of that soon became, with the discovery of oil it became ssan asset, another, a landmass that was open to development for the extracting industries. So, indian families by entrepreneurs and the oil industry and all sorts of legal maneuverings were occurring within that area of oklahoma to gain access to those lands. In 1924, my grandmother died suddenly of poisoning. In 1934, my uncle wilbur testify in as forgery case was murdere. Thee 1960s through that particular allotment was flooded with water. To refresh the oil supply at that time. It was a great environmental advantage. So, there were attempts to mitigate that damage through Environmental Resources in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970 the tanks had been removed and there seem to be a certain level of peace that fell over that land. But, by 19, by 28, 2004, the allamerican Pipeline Company suddenly appears. There is a movement underfoot to bring a pipeline diagonally across the allotment which at this time in history is being farmed. My mother was in the courts protesting and fighting this pipeline access just before her death. Of course, the courts decided in favor of the Pipeline Company based on the 1904 access to a pipeline, historic pipeline by the prairie Pipeline Company. So, so often we think of these acts of colonialism for acts of historical past when actually they play off in our daily life today. Offering the indian, many stories. Continuing within our communities. And then we are worthy of a greater disability that are worthy of a public dairy that we desperately need in terms of our society and progress into the future. It is interesting that this time that we find ourselves in, and lets speak directly of the experience in new york city that before the creation of the center some 13 years ago, it was an almost complete erasure of our history here. No institution has stepped forward to make available an exhibition of the culture that would celebrate our existence and our homeland, our participation and vital participation in the art and culture of this region. And, so, you know, we continuously fight against that and we do that through opportunities, partnership and collaboration for the organization making their assets and their Resources Available to us so that we can tell the story here, our experiences. You know helping to help support the more truthful telling of a more complex history. Making it out for the center. Reaching out with other partners and participate in an open discussion about better ways of living which is for all people regardless of where you are coming from. I would pass this back. Thank you very much. Sharing stories of removal and the essays for suffering to the communities. My organization they were trying to steer a populations when people speak about the trustees they focus on the killing. The stories of removal and continuing crime. Because of the community and the relationship with the modern land for it being removable. How does that play in continuing crime committed against the communities. Do you have any thoughts on this . It did not just stop when we moved offlo into land. Continuously slow genocide continued to this day. It will not be an eloquent or happy answer. Removing this onto reservations. Reservations were supposed to be temporary. They were supposed to be holding us. Es for why . Because in 2022, we should not exist according to what the plan was going to be. As long as they are Indigenous People around, there are sovereign nations around entreaties still have to be upheld which means a government, the federal government is responsible for their into the treaty and they will also note that there is never been a treaty made between the United States and the nation that has been 100 upheld. They are never never upholding their into the bargain. And so because of that, they donton want to get rid of the population and one of the things introduced. They have to have documented how much blood that we have. The only other groups that i can think of that has to do that are dogs and horses. And Indigenous People. We are the only people that have to do that. The minute that that dips below whatever the requirement is, the time start to disappear. They dont have the federal government, they dont have to uphold the treaty rights anymore reservations are supposed to be temporary. Because we are not supposed to be here. That genocide for that removal perpetuating today 2022. They are still trying to find ways to solve the indian problem. It started with the removal of the land. So many other things were added on top of that. Another aspect of that is the ongoing psychological trauma that is inflicted as a result of colonialism. You know, i am speaking to the spirits that exist just outside the parking lots and the darkness of indian bars. I am speaking about the Domestic Violence that plagues our communities. I am speaking about the atrocities, the secrets that are held within families. The violence, still part of our communities, these are all results of a people, a so society that has been removed from their original place through trauma after trauma after trauma. I think that the challenge today is defined as a positive way of responding to this verbal and often times violent history that we continue to get held within our beings. Joe, there is generational trauma, historic trauma that is often times acting out in todays people. Todays indian communities. They are feeling the residual effects of colonialism which began, and this is the tough part that the center is presenting. That colonialism is based on the doctrine of discovery. And the concept of manifest destiny. The christian europeans were sent to this land to take dominion over it. In all of the language, whether it was written in latin or other languages that the indians were not referred to as the savages and the directive was to convert them into christians who would become the working class to extract the b resources from the aland and send that back to the kings and queens and popes and everybody back in europe and then also all of that land then would be made available to this wave and wave of people coming to this new land. There is this idea that the indians were savages so you either convert them or you kill them and it is all right to kill them because the royalty and the pope said in the name of christ it is okay if you do that. Dont feel guilty about it, and they did. Scalp bounties to kill, to remove them from their homeland. The introduction of smallpox infected blankets given to the indianscs, these kinds of old tactics pushed them away and then slowly we became erased from the history books, from the conscience of the people and it is part of the reason why the center is combating and telling the truth. In a way, it helps people wake up and realize that we are still here. We are still a living thriving people with the culture and language. We deserve to be welcomed back to the homeland and allow to connect with the homeland in the spirit and take our place rightfully at the table of all power whether its political, religious, economic, artistic, cwhatever it may be, the people collectively and our efforts as the directors of the center and our other friends, we want to issues forward and find ways of changing and effecting Public Policy today so that we are not still dealing with the messages of colonial and historical trauma. One of which were actively involved in and that is the issue of missing and murdered Indigenous Women and children and how it is all Indigenous People. In 2022, many people still look at indian people much like they did 500 years ago. Much like they did in 1776 when thomas jeffersonra called us merciless savages when he wrote the declaration of independence. Future so that when the take our place back in our homeland. We can bring traditional knowledge. Practices and traditions that will only strengthen. And they will only strengthen the existing Community Today and we are ever so grateful for peoa Brooklyn Library at other institutions that are welcoming us back and giving us a place at the table. That is what we are hoping will be an important infosys that are mission in the years to come to my think you very much for responding to my question. Many would like to speak to her experience at the institute, we mark the help of essence are in Development Lending living land acknowledgment, to engage with the history and to engage with presence of the history of neverland is add crimes committed our lives. I cannot tell you in the audience, how grateful we are to your office and center for the groton guidance provided to us to understand it is an institution working with the help and contribute to engaging with the consequences of history related to contributed to this land. And we hope with a legacy that wewe live today about colonial genocide pretty. I encourage everybody the audienceen will reflect individuallyly and how you can develop their own approach to engage in with the consequences of the genocide and develop their own living acknowledgment practices that will make us better society. Now i would like to work questions weve a Group Questions and some of them are more information requiring an answer and some are asking for speakers tor reflect printed the question first question comes from an anonymous person asking me by this is opposed to just being in office and the second question comes from lauren asking when efforts are in place including the history and to the new york state curriculum and the primary and secondary schools. Okay now happy to share with you regarding the state curriculum, and an outrage efforts made by individual teachers, to requesting the more truthful and honest and thorough history though not be present in the moment other than that of conformity the site curriculum and so there seems to be openers for the expansion and it is being driven, not by the new York State Department of education so much in the courageous efforts of individual teachers. If not may, looking at the chopper of your there are so many questions i think we only have a limited amount of time look on this webinar i would encourage people to take a questions and email them, either to the library, or give you the email address percent of the simply, not a center gmail. Com all one word, and many of these questions are great ones we just do not have enough time to cover it all and perhaps if you send those in and we can write more essays and we can create more exhibits and we can address these things in the months and actually years to come for the lenape, because they are the same questions that we asked ourselves, as we can to return back to the homeland. Thank you. An excellent the questions that it would be not to be able to engage with them and given the energy of the discussion, i would suggest that the audience is still hoping to offer us to attempt to answer a few more questions you y dont mind and e you okay with that. The questionfr comes from bui would like to know what is the best way for black people who are separate for supporting the lenape peoples efforts for their land and reparations in them. [inaudible]. And for the liberation in my practices an event to land and for the lenape the next question, jerry, how are they related to lenape people. Edward would you like to mention differentiating between what is known as muncie and also what is known as lenape, language in the community identity. Hi them sometimes correct me if im wrong, but okay, and so muncie iss part of the lenape bt he said language dialect and within that there are the dialects. I forget that but there are other dialect so when im referring to muncie refer to the language of the people i say lenape and so is my clear understanding and if you very much for his father but affect into the person mentioning and thank you so much i would encourage you to reach out which is a farm here in the Hudson Valley and there indigenous farm and they do amazing work we have done about making sure that their team homage reflexively and ends literally solve fire. Com. And if you google them you will find them but i think thats really cool they also trying to save you know that i see you and think you so much for that. I acknowledge opacity and sensor friendship and thank you for honoring mind as well. Thank you very much let me just say that we also at the Lenape Center are looking unleaded partnership up on the hudson river valley. To return ancestral thieves to the ancestral land and theres upcoming programming that will be part of the solution, lenape will be very specific to address those topics. Of lane informing. In the foodways not only lenape but other people Indigenous People of the area. Sue meghan for the Africanamerican Community, and the origins of your story and colonialist is the similar to the lenape into the Indigenous People in the homeland. Because, that inoperative discovery, also extended to the african net. Many of the native or Indigenous People of the african continent, were taken into this slavery brought to the marcus i am talking about within south and central america, to become again, a working slave of people class of people and a so i think the Africanamerican Community the native american community, and collectively cannot only short stories the effects of colonialism, but we we are doing today, to revive our identity and address racism, and colonialism this still exists in Public Policy, we cannot deny that is still going on. And therefore, we can work collectively to change of thinking and institutions in the decades to come. And try to overcome, what is happening in the past, that is an ongoing effort. Thank you, and a final two if you dont mind. The following on the first one from rosemary, would you speak a little bit about the reformation process of the lenape languages what you feel are the prospects for these languages to become large languages that are spoken daily in communities and us question comes from jason who is asking, what history would you recommend. Well, i can address that best question regardingdi what books and theres a lot of information available, not all of it is accurate or can be recommended the would be recommended for every one of this audience, to be sure and watch for the publication of this anthology which should be published during the month of june which will become a very Rich Resource for the public and for educators is really one of the first publications that includes Community Voices voices directly from the community, not the scholars for the Community Voices so that will become an important new resource that we can recommend at the Lenape Center. With regards to the language, living just say this, boat language is the foundation of all things culture. Many people believe that the lenape or modern developers, they have lost their culture, they have lost their language we have lost a lot of traditional knowledge but weve lost our language and thanks to the efforts of so many people, some of who are still living today, for instance, the drover tribe of the indians a we actually hae a website called top lenape. Org and on that is language stories, the voices of deceased tribal elders, announcing boards and telling stories and we have classes going on, the dell work and in tribe right now in oklahoma and we are learning from well like a trope of breadcrumbs ancestors many of our elders have left for us to go back and follow that thread back to the culture language we now have a group of young people right here in my community, called the trend with leaders are using boat language website and bringing back some of her social cultural gatherings and language so as long as we ever language, thats the foundation of promoting our culture and very robust efforts to keep it going and the muncie language dialect, which is more in the tribes there in wisconsin and in canada and they also have traditional speakers and elders but they have a group of young people. They are taken without as a cultural leaders is all based in speaking their language. They dont everything the used to have over on this path of reclaiming it, to strengthen our identity and strengthen our commitment to returning to the homeland, and growing the return of our identity and speaking very passionately about it now because it is a sacred endeavor, that we do as a gift of appreciation, and expression of appreciation, the sacrifices of our ancestors pretty give us to us in spite of the worst additions ever in our history and without, you can learn more about it, and again, and this anthology the joe spoken about but also in visiting places like in the center and see our on going efforts. Let me say that there is nothing like to be able to speak the land those language come is powerful and is very powerful sue meghan connects the generations for the coolest things going onn with me right now in regards to this lenape language, im texting my 16 yearold granddaughter, and lenape and she replies, and lenape. That is so awesome. What i would like to think of wonderful speakers. For sharing the knowledge and histories concerning the passion withth us today i would like to think the audience for your being so engaged and i apologize for us not having the opportunity, to answer all of your questions what i hope that will be the seed of your reaching for the phone and for your emails to the Lenape Center and to continue this conversation. I would also like to thank our generous hosts in the Public Library and the center for the history for hosting us today and also other. I just want to echo tv and think all of you for such a spectacular way to brief beginning conversation i never really seen so much engagement in the questions the commences we really started with the virtual programs since we began from a heart an enormous thank you i want to tell everybody, because the number of question become a in about anthology that is been mentioned to come about anthology, is in process now. So the best way to know when will be published in a commuter hands on it, is to visit the website pages, the lenape website pages on the Public Library website which will go into the chat. And even updates there will also be able to explore all of the upcoming programs and some of them came up already in this conversation and there will be a program about this in order to be Indigenous Women, the program about that manhattan and some of the questions i thought you are all asking as was mentioned her mothers conversation coming in the pipe about this administration and performances many other conversations please look for those and join us for those but most importantly thank you, thank you all for being in our audience and engaging in thank you, heather joe curtis, tv for you know, such a moving in a a powerful first launch ths series and i wish everybody wonderful light. 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