The latest chapter on anomalies. These are problems that to be found reveal the consequences. To help illustrate the challenges took 2020 census accuracy i start with Research Conducted by diana elliott, steve and i to explore it 2020 census outcomes. This was precovid. We chose three risk scenarios and use Census Bureau research to simulate 2020 counts. The most optimistic scenario in the performance of the 2010 census which came in within 100th of a of its independent total population. When we overlay that performance onto a 2020 population projection we discovered there was an undercount of the population of 0. 3 . Stated differently had the pandemic never happened and the census went as well as it did in 2010 and undercount would occur. People of color historically edundercounted in our wonderful nation would become more racially b and ethnically divere in the past 10 years. While the 2010 census was accurate for the total u. S. Population became at the expense of fairness. In 2010 whites were over counted by 0. 8 conveniently making up for undercounted people of color for instance nonhispanic blacks undercounted at 0. 8 , and 1. 5 . Unfair to overcount one sector while undercounting another to achieve overall accuracy. It reinforces inequities in political representation, federal funding and economic and Public Health opportunities for the next three years. Why does this matter now . Consider the ongoing pandemic. We see high racial ethnic disparities in rates of job loss, hunger, housing instability and health. Daily life for people of color often focuses on just Meeting Basic Needs not completing census forms. That rings us to the basic quality, the self Response Response rate for that the self response occurs when you complete your own census form. Research shows that lower self Response Rates increase the risk of annette undercount. Our national 2020 self Response Rate was 66 , higher than that of 2010 but in innercity neighborhoods where blacks and other self Response Rates were drastically lower. 50 to 60 are under while in less than diverse urban areas they were altar high at the 70 to 80 rate. These disparities were more in 2020 than in 2010. People of color at highrisk of undercount. This is just one of minty many risk. Besides the overarching pandemic others included citizens to question, massive population movements scheduling disruptions, natural disasters and of course the shortened Data Processing pyramid. It each exposes each poses their own threat to census counting for the collection is done so what is next . We need transparency. The Census Bureau should release dated data to assess the quality of the counts by adopting the recommendations of the American Statistical Association and the Census Bureaus own Scientific Advisory committee. In closing i commend the Census Bureau career staff for their dedication scientific integrity to uphold the constitution. They are as steamed and should al allowed to do their jobs unfettered with all due diligence. Thank you again and i look forward to your questions. Thank you. Mr. Salvo you are now recognized, mr. Salvo. Good morning chair when chairwoman maloney members the committee. On behalf of the. 5 Million People in the city of new york i thank you for having me here today. Asas new york citys chief demographer my message today is twofold. One schedule the census must provide the sense of professional staff with enough time to dodo their jobs well and in accordance with the rigorous statistical standards we assess for the Census Bureau must be transparent by releasing key indicators and giving americans confident in the census. The census is then presented with challenges in the past. Fewer than those posed by the 2020 census. Of all the challenges we face the most pressing among many immigrants and their families. Combined with the devastating stpandemic. The challenge of overcoming since its hampered by the absence of physical on the ground outreach shown to encourage his spots especially especially in an effort to cope with these extraordinary ofcumstances secretary commerce and the Census Bureau leadership gave the schedule for the 2020 census last april but has provided more time for nonresponse followup ores demographers refer to it as the when census workers knock on doors in order to enumerate those who did not respond on their own. Unfortunately this provides a schedule this past summer abbreviating the time the bureau had in the field and the time to process the data on the backend. Why should we be concerned . First the very definition of residence was likely abandoned for many because of moves to the pandemic. Many persons who are not enumerated at the usual residents as of april of 2020 but in other locations for example in temporary locations with family members or friends were in second homes. For those whose usual residence was in new york city the Census Bureau needs time on the back and to adjust their residence as defined by the Census Bureau. It was supposed to be enumerated and pandemic is a virtual guarantee that largescale evocations of responses would occur. Using data on forms that sometimes lack important basic information such as a persons name was substantial time required for successful completion of the process. Second to increase response it allows respond and to write in their dresses without census idea. This is fine for those who ever it where none addresses linked to the Census Bureaus master address file but not for those who have interests or apartment numbers not formerly existing. The department of city planning work for more than two years identifying assigning them designators and giving them on the bureaus address but without a census i. D. They conducted additional work to match these irregular addresses to their master address file with less time in the field as a result of the schedule and its very likely many of these cases believed to be resolved by the bureau is part of that process in which as we all know has been truncated. Third, there is a serious concern about how the census in the midst of the pandemic achieved and 99 plus in new york city were self response over period of five months was less than 50 . The answer is that it does not necessarily mean it was enumerated by a household member but it could mean the enumerated determinate did not exist including the unit was deemed to be vacant or the case was resolved with the proxy c respondent Word Ministry of records such as where the final determination could be an outright rebuke or no determination was made before was an occupied land. [inaudible] moreover metrics need to be. How the census was completed for example the level of implications and how many needed to be reassigned. The census must provide Census Bureau professional process to a guyua with incorrect will be an increased volume of problems during the pandemic and second the Census Bureau must be transparent by releasing key indicators endorsed by the Census Quality indicators of the americanti statistical associatn for all of these metrics have to be provided for small geographic areas. Census tracts need the Building Blocks of new york citys neighborhoods but this will not only provide data use for the quality of the data but will allow the bureau to maintain its credibility as the nations premier statistical agency. Thank you and i look forward to questions. Thank you. Mr. Landry you are now recognized, mr. Landry. Senate thank you chairwoman maloney the Ranking Member komer and members of the oversight and reform committee. We would be productive today what for every member of the committee to stipulate that they are in full support of Legal Immigration. It would be a great place to start. If we could start frome that premise that all of the support Legal Immigration so we could proceed to deal with immigrants for whatever the circumstance are in this country illegally. From there we would move to what the definition of the citizen is because to have a nation we must have citizens. To be a citizen means to be pursued with all of the rights privileges and protections of that sovereignty like being eligible for the draft, serving in the military, standing on a jury, voting, contributing to Social Security and other safety net programs. Having the allegiance to our country. As the attorney general and citizen of this countryun i think i take special interest in this issue to this committee is aware that the constitution requires count of persons living in the states every 10 years for the purpose of representative reapportionment. It places the responsibility on congress by law. To that end Congress Gave the secretary of commerce broad discretion to determine the contents of each census. Similarly charged with reporting those results of the apportionment determinations to congress. An example of the secretarys broad discretion could be seen in apportionment of overseen servicemembers. Depending on several characteristics of their service they are counted either at their place of residence or their military installation. Foreign nationals, tourists and corporate entities are excluded from the count in apportionment even though they are technically persons under the law. These alterations come from policy directions of the secretary. They are consistent with the language of the constitution and the goal of promoting equality. They ensure an accurate census and if they are apportionment is allow requires. This was President Trump goal when interviewing his memorandum to the commerce secretary. The presence memorandum relies on the powers granted to the executive branch and by you all, by congress and the constitution. Its aims are simple, to restore equality in voting by excluding Illegal Immigrants from the reapportionment base. This is not difficult fix, certainly not as drastic as having another state. The receipts does not up upend the balance of power. We should always seek to ensure the balance of power and recognize and Illegal Immigrants present should not give wednesday power over voters in another state. Accounting legal immigrants in their apportionmentnt days incentivize the states to work against that system. And against each other. It Undermines Community safety in the rule of law. Those states and cities implementing these policies have seen increased power on the federal stage. Disenfranchising other states. Illegal immigrants are projected to grow in states like california, texas and new york while states like ohio, alabama and minnesota would lose congressional representation. To reiterate people unlawfully in this country are causing longstanding changes inlo our democracy by simply being counted. As the Supreme Court has recognized its more vital to the state and its representation in theta house. Allowing ilLegal Immigration to distort congressional apportionment works is that not just to those bound to lose states. Immigrants excluded from the apportionment otherwise they disenfranchise other states by unfairly distorting the apportionment in favor of states with higher concentrations of Illegal Immigrants. The t constitution demands that all votes he given equal weight. We cannot achieve that size balance until we adopt policies laid out by the president but i think they committee for your time and im t happy to answer y questions. [inaudible] [audio difficulties] thank you. We are having some connection issues with mr. Landrys presentation. He is wrapping up his presentation so i feel i now recognize myself for fivee minutes. I would like to begin by asking about the new internal document obtained by the committee. These documents describe 15 different problems career professionals at the Census Bureau have identified in nevada. Theyey also show the career staf of war and the Trump Administration that complete an acrid data will not be ready until late january or early february. As i explained earlier the Top Administration did not want us to see these documents but we were able to obtain them nevertheless. I understand that her witnesses have now had an opportunity to review these documents so id like to start with a simple question which i hope you can answer with a yes or no. If the administration disregards these data problems and rushes to submit data before these problems are fixed we do have a high level of confidence that the dock them as complete an acrid as required by the constitution. Mr. Salvo, yes or no . I cant hear him. No. C mr. Santos, yes or no . No. Not until they are fixed, no maam. Mr. Santos id like to ask about specific problem described in document one. Number one. Does this describthe data air that could result in skipping records are people who are counted in groups of orders such as College Dorms nursing facilities and military barracks . Career staff warned that this impacts more than 16,000 records and if not corrected quote m result in undercounted psons and quote. Mr. Sanchos wayzata probl to undercount people in group order what is this about . Group quarters represent individuals in situations like nursing homes, College Dorms, homeless shelters and the sort. Its important to count them because they are residents of Th United States and the constitution requires the Census Bureau to count individuals who are residents and with that its not surprising that the Census Bureau has encountered a problem with her were quarters since those enumeration was disrupted during the pandemic. I am not surprised at all that perhaps half of the list of problems that have been revealed thus far are related to reporters. Undercounting results in underrepresentation. It results in fewer federal fund allocation. It results in an inability to properly plan in urban and rural areas so we simply cant let that happen and i encouraged that the Census Bureau asth i sd be allowed to sort all of this out and to do the best job they can to come up with the most taccurate count. Nos jars salvo career officials identified another error affecting about 46,000 records from people who filled00 out paper questionnaires in nine states. The career staff wrote in a quote if this error is in corrected Demographic Data for persons will be missed and may impact the final calculation counts and quote. Mr. Salvo what could the impact be if the final Demographic Data are not accurate . My main point would be. Mr. Salvo. The Census Bureau in those documents talk about how maybe the problems they were discussing affected 7 10 of a of the population. The point you made is that is not evenly distributed over the geographic areas of the country. There are some areas that would be more greatly affected than others. Anything that compromises the content of the census will be felt more in some areas than in other areas and its important to note that. If i may chairwoman maloney can i comment on thatle please . The Census Bureau because of the schedule with an external review would be included in the census. They have truncated it greatly. The second is there some in this country with large numbers of gqs that define who they are and the distribution affects some areas much more than others. Its a question on content. We are very concerned that the truncation of schedule lets try to get those answers to a point where frankly we compromise the data itself and thats what the metrics the American Statistical Association tahas promoted. Thats what he gets that and thats not in the memo. Thats not in the memo. We need to go beyond the memo. The quality of the data is important. Thank you. Thank you. Melet me ask about the last page of document number one where it lists considerations and risks. The final bullet the career staff set forth a t stark warni. They explained they are working on a comprehensive patch is more than a dozen individual census to address all of these problems. But then they say this. The sequencing of past deployment isnt executed properly and it may result in other data anomalies and quote. In other words if they try to rush this it could aggravate the process and result in even more problems. Is that right . There are two different that we have and i think that are shared by the Census Bureau. One is the rushing as you meioned. These patches have duty put in placand they have to be tested and you have to see whetr or not they all works together. We are still talking about the first stage of the Data Processing. Their other stages that have to come before the apportionment data comes out. The borough is certainly going to be looking at that. Wenowwoo from history that they can expect there will be at additional anomalies that will show up there and expectation based on history is that they will be fewer and less significant but we are not certain off that. If theres something thats keeping the bureau up at night its the what is the second round if any of anomalies and will there be more than historically expected . E. A could certainly lead to more delays. It could certainly lead to more delays. The important thing, as a number of people have pointed out, we are dealing with relatively small numbers in a country of 330 million, 340 Million People. The small numbers is what turns the last congressional seat in 2000 for example, was determined are population differences of less than 1000 people per unit in 2010, it was less than 16000 people. Anyone apply that all these problems are concentrated, that they will turn one seat. Rather its a small numbers, they do have a big impact at this point in the census. Thank you and clearly the internal documents are significant and widespread. Affecting all citizens. They must be fully addressed by career experts in or committee must be given the documents we requested in order to verify these errors have been fully dressed. I think all of the witnesses and i would now like to call on the next person. Mihm thank you madame chairwoman. I would like to ask the attorney general if he could go through again with how they counting the extensive counting of Illegal Immigrants unfairly unrepresented here in congress. He could explain to us how that will affect proportionate is coming up in the next cycle. Jeff landry. Landry if you think of states that with large populations of africanamericans are for states,ge those states should be proportioned equally. They are all citizens. Those states such as california that embraces sanctuary city policies and particularly attract Illegal Immigrants to the cities, are then unevenly weighted and so those citizens in other states and therefore print disenfranchised with the seeds in congress so thats exactly what the president has recognize. He wanted to make sure thatre al citizens were represented equally in the country and in the u. S. House of representatives. If california gets an extra seat or two extra seats, and counting illegal aliens in california,heyre only 435 people in congress. That meanshat some states a going to lose representation as a crutch. That is correct. So right now. Landry based upon whatt we are saying, you would think that what we are saying is minnesota, ohio and alabama may be losing and congressional seat so therefore, africanamericans in minnesota, alabama and in ohio, and those particular states are therefore good to be disenfranchised at the expense of illegal aliens inia californ. And then if they want to get another rep. In congress to incentivize ilLegal Immigration into the states doesntat. Landry thats crect it is going to created basically a competition between the state to try to attra into it in the state rather than the way the Ronald Reagan always said, that peoplean vote with their feet by basicallyoing and moving from one state to another based upon states. Economic, or opportunities and it is interesting that we heard one of the witnesses when he talked about the amount of resources that could be restricted in the minority communities for the Senior Citizens and again, counting illegals and that basically again takes resources away from minority communities in other states like minnesota, alabama and ohio. Massie thank you attorney general. We had a chance to discuss this issue in this hearing because a lot of my constituents are incredulous when they find out that they actually count the illegal aliens who are in this country and portion ofpp that is therefore has been based on that. Then we do believe its happening but it is happening. Im glad that we had this hearing for that reason but there are other hearings we should be having that were not having. For instance the stimulus bill that we pass, the 1200dollar check, billion of those, billy dollars worth of those, im sorry. Over a billion dollars with of the stimulus checks went to deceased individuals. And the checks is deceased on it. Like to have a hearing on why are we sending 1200 checks to the deceased people. It just came out, and an article from npr, the drs admits there spinning 1200 stimulus checks overseas to nonamericans. Why are we sending when we have americans need, why are we sending these 1200 stimulus checks to nonamericans overseas. I had a a norwegian is him a coy of his fathers checkpoint in the manan has learned there sine 1970. His norwegian citizen parties not a dual citizen paredes received a 1200 check. He does not file u. S. Tax returns. Can we please have a hearing on this. Im disgusted with what is been going on with the stimulus program. Know hundreds of my constituents, millie and for an, in the military still not received the 1200 check. Thini know its hard to get peoe to respond to the senses sometimes. And we are sending checks to different places overseas. I think this is a problem. I will yelled back. I think you gentlemen for his questions. And during reported checks going to the deceased persons and point out ways to stophat. There is legislation in congress right now that was nothe process from Going Forward and we will have a hearing on it. I will follow up on it. And now recognize missus norton. Congresswoman norton. Thank you very much manager and i think you for this hearing. Its very impornt that this hearing is doing that. I have a particular question because i was a professor of law georgetown. And even continue to serve and to teach at the law school and coming in after coming to congress on particularly interested in the studts. And because i recognize that they are challenged. After all, they often have what amounts to different addresses. The live at home and they off so live off cams. Theyre supposed to beappy in their offcampus dorm housing. So course covid19ow complicates matters. And any of them have been forced to back home. I am concerned about having these students particularly since even before the virus with the problems of the Inspector General found that the census bure has been under count been hefcampus students households. Before we got into this present complication,hey said that the bureaus eorts to collect information on offcampus students at the college and administrators and here im courting them. That will not mitigat the role as an accurate count. Because the bureau has not have a final plan in place to use offcampus student data. This adds tod the complication f the virus that really concerns me. Are you concerned the college stents who live offcampus will be undercounted and we think we should be doing it especially about even with the Census Bureau with what they have to say about this matter. Mihm your concern is very wellfounded. And what is is that historically, College Students living in schools with amongst the over counted population. But there count above that the universities should be because that is their residence and they also find that the family also count them at home. So its typically been in the other direction. The Census Bureau is working very hard the university to try and get an accurate count of the students in both their dorms, that would be easier to try to work with the Census Bureau. And much more difficult one is your point now is for students that were livingn in the offcampus areas, and the university has an information and share it. In any cases they didnt have the complaint information as to living off of campus. In some cases theyre wanting to share that information with the Census Bureau. The basic procedures that the Census Bureau would use in the circumstances are consistent to enumerate any other proxy data and other administrative data when they could and in the end of the have to do this for your concern is very wellfounded. Yes, any students aording to this information that i have, i would say that any of the universities provided data to the Census Bureau in the housing and we dont understand it is health they have operated with them to helphe students offcampus. Mihm yes in cases where they didnt have that data and they shared it with the Census Bureau, quite frankly is not clear why. Earliest i dont have a good explanation for you onon that. They would be at the perfect or best interest and share that information. [inaudible]. Im going to ask the chair to look into the matter of what we can do to make sure that the universities do in fact cooperate. Because i dont see any reason for that not to happen. I think you for that is my time expired. Yes it has think you for raising it we will look io it. And i recognize the next person you now recognize for your questions. Youre still muted. Youre still muted. You are stillmuted. Can you coming out. Yes now we can hear you. And how any times i can say it. This groundhog day once again. How any times can we raise the tax payer dollars on these conspiracy theories. So here we go again. The majority are all too happy keep that in mind in the senses very up the market people to score cheap legal points only to turn around and critique those colleagues requesting the hearings regarding integrity on the election because of preelection censorship and irregularities in the vote count. Apparently the integrity and the peoples and government has been come part of this. [inaudible]. Thank you again preparing before this committee and ill report that your team in september i asked you about this unprecedented and how technology and fieldwork license workers overcame the challenges posed be covid19. In your teams december ga report, is it true that you confirmed the senses bureau in canada for 99. 98 percent of all households in america. Mihm yes. It is a pleasure to see you again sir. Yes, other households, they done very well. [inaudible]. Im sure it would help if the sensor bureau allow the Data Collection phase on septembe september 30th like it was supposed to vitamin instead strategy in federal court was supposed be answered within 15 days. It seems to be excuses whether it is covid19 or other reasons for his even weather. On the concerns the final count to be done past inauguration also in the hands of the Trump Administration. [inaudible]. Thank you again for f your work. In the Technical Support which is allowed for an unprecedented responseed rate and tabulation. Which means to ensure that the americans people are counted accurately and in a timely fashion. An attorney general jeff landry, in a democratic society,ts a fundamental notion one person equals one vote. The inclusion of t la gold aliens in the council and this principle. However because it sys marcys in the body, we have legal voters. This election, please notice counted and recorded properly, is there something we must eure the stars with allamericans and equal equal votes into congress. The vote dilution, one step further. In the sense of accuracy. We tried free previously mentioned brain hundred hundreds of markedly states like new york illinois california and other states. [inaudible]. [inaudible]. [background noise]. I cannot hear anything. Were having some connection issues. We are having connection issues. We are going to go to our rep. With questions and back to him if he needs more time to complete his question. Your now recognize rated. Thank you chairwoman and can you hear me. Yes we can. Thank you and the me 31 of all thank you. You really matter a great deal of that salute you and i think you. The behalf of my constituents. Accurate and careful senses and thank you madame chairwoman for that the internal documents explains that the bureau will in fact not finish fixing the 15 anomalies that is identified in verifying the finances count tuntil late january or even possibly early february. How important is this that these corrections be performed and going onto the the next step in the Data Processing and completely instances count. The bureau believes that is absolutely vital that they be corrected before the god. These 15 are the bureau is referred to as the critical anomalies. In critical is not just a funcon of size, is a way that direly consider on these counts. The quitearge. The knee be fixed before we move on to the second stages. So in essence that the bureaus view and obviously weve shared that with the bureau. The time needed to correct this anomalies, which you say its essential divine proceedis including the need for Preparation Development testing and the fixes. Would you agree that theres no plausible way to shortcut that collection process without further compromising the data itself. Certainly sir, rushing or shortcutting it, would be an enormously risky situation. We have asked them to do quite a bit of documentation we not received it yet. Spring reviewed by the department of congress. In the general counsel over there. Its a week one see what is the critical path. Its actually, this time like this going to get them to delivering those counts. Weve heard as any as they have, they dont have a strong days. And looking to get it at january at some point. I thank you so important to remember that this is really life or death for any communities. One state, loses a rep. For could gain one. Over the lack of accurate data does not party let alone the allegations of the resources. So the stakes are very high for communities out of the country. That would take the time to make sure we gett it right. It an organization seeks to promote and practice the professional of statistics say, i really engaging process. Do you believe outside experts should have the opportunity to review this data before account is finalized and if so, why. Absolutely. Im actually a big believer in Community Engaged g7. Often times, folks and programmers are running diagnostics to find errors. They dont realize they missed something that is crucial. The only way that can be uncovered is by becomingy transparent and allowing researchers outside of the Census Bureau access to those data so they can see basically passes the test in their local communities. Ive heard instances where prisons ended up having a zero population because they were allocated by the state to the county next door. The small changes may not affect a state count but they certainly will affect federal funding and planning and so forth with businesses. Im very concerned about this within the state population next year and. Accuracy. The final question and there are states that a statewide elections next to it. Any of usha focus on the other 0 onmething states that have elections coming up in 2022 but frankly, this census standard traditionally is been available early to virginia and new jersey and consecutively, certainly new jersey and virginia prided we have elections, next year. So we have got to have the reports data to be able to move on. In time for elections next november. Less than 12 months away. How might the documents weve uncovered with respect to taxes and internal senses liberations and the possible delay of that data until january or february. How would that affect the states that have a elections and that are desperately in need of early census data in order to do their enforcement for the other states. Is a fellow virginia resident, im well aware of what youre referring to there. The biggest risk would probably be w the data. That comes a few months after other data. And of the Census Bureau runs into challenges with other challenges the delay the data andhen had a knockdown effect for t data. My understanding is from all the wasting od put pressure on the states that need to redistrict. Gentlemens time has expired. And were having difficults connecting. So the next person please. Can you hear me . Can you hear me. Yes we can. Okay and thank you very much. Just going back and looking out some stats from the past in 2000 census under the republican control from two years before the 2000 census. The rating hearings. The tenth 2010 census, two years prior before the 22 out of the 2010 census for 11 hearings. In years four and three prior to this census under republican control, we had nine hearings regarding the census and other two years prior to this one, we have only had only five hearings. And i must admit, the biggest bulk h of the five hearings that weve had over the last couple of years have been simply hearings to bash the president and the administration. Not that there were some legitimate questions on the hearings for the census. There were by and large, protecting citizenship questions and attacking the secretary and so forth. But we dont have five hearings and today we going have representatives from this census with us again. Did this instance, the accounting every person in the country as they required to do. But the president is right by insisting that only those who are here legally, beos includedn the process by which we as a nation determine our government. And yet here again, the democrats are intent on ensuring that the tire this process in order to get a desired outcome which in essence is to make sure that the statesla with the largt number of Illegal Immigrants are actually rewarded with extra representation that they dont deserve. So mr. Landry, thank you for being here. I would ask you to get started here, regarding the temporary restraining order and in the preliminary injunction from the judge. The secretaries obligation to nothing more by law. The december 3031 deadline to meet to get the final report to the president. Do you agree with that. Aspirated and was that in essence, compelling the secretary to ignore or perhaps en break the law. Yes. Yes it was. All topic is in california was basically hoarding resources anr Census Bureau when his resources were needed in other states in order to complete the census count on time. So just in your experience, for judges to order illegal actions, the common practice. In federal courts, yes it is unfortunately. But soontobe. The judges should be mailed to apply the lawac on facts. See desibed to different briefings on how the residence of your state stand to have their rights, equal representation diminished by these really perverse legal differences. One compelling the law to be broken and the other counting illegal aliens and the apportionment. Which actually rewards breaking e law. Is that correct. That is correct. Yes. A with all these two cases and intervention in california. In one case in the new york case, which may have been talking about earlier was where are trying to ensure that we did not count illegals or reapportionment in order to have the house district. Right. Both of those ten have a negative impact on your state. I go back and just think of the democrats in this committee. Go back to april. In this committee, with covid19 as it was at that time and of course april was very insecure time. No one knew it was going on. But in this committee, the senses stated in april theyre going to need a four month delay. But i would also remind everyone that it was also in april that the Postal Service announced they were going to be insolvent by september. Of course that did not happen. There is a lot of uncertainty going on in april. And as it was brought up here a little while ago, the census met with us in august of this year saying they were going to be able to make the december deadline. So things were predicted that just simply never happened. What was the enumeration raised in the 2010 census. Im sorry sir. Do you mea the undercount from the 2010en census. The quality of the senses, did the 2010 census had a pattern improvement over prior. There is an over count about. 01 , as was mentioned earlier by mr. Santos that one bite demographic groups wasnt under count of nonhispanic black and American Indians living on reservations. The overall was 01 of the over count. Subject to jonathans time has expired up the gentlemans of the question. Tsubakiid answer the question maam. I just like to conclude by saying i would love to be able to ask these questionsf censusly by cant because they were not even invited to beer today. Hopefully well be able to speak to them in person i yield back. I do it is that some of my colleagues have complained from the official Census Bureau Commerce Department are not here today. Nothing is off the table Going Forward but we can invite them. Mishearing was called because a Trump Administration refused repeatedly to share information the Oversight Committee requested. Over and over with our committee. We had to learn about major problems, not from the Census Bureau but from the press. And then finally be got more information from alternative sources that brought the information to us. Should have it. I must say that we asked for information from secretary im from director billingham. They refused to give us the information. That is why we are now discussing the information through an alternative source. We can certainly bring them back to another hearing next week if you would like toou request it. Will certain grant that to you. Excuse me current status is we wrote to secretary roth s yesterday. We gave him one week to complete an amount of documents that were unredacted, a set of documents we requested last month. And if he does not, and he could very well face a subpoena. I would also consider whether we need to hold a nether hearing to hear directly from him and sec. Roth. If you request we certainly will do it. I hope he cooperates voluntaril voluntarily. We have to announce that we have to take a very brief recess because we have a vote. The caucus meeting right now dont give all of our members the opportunity to vote. The committee stands in recess for five minutes. The cir now recognizes
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