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Wall street journal calls this book superb, the New York Times said it was a terrific resource and before we start i will tell you my own personal connection with Eleanor Roosevelt which is when my mom was in junior high in the late 40s mrs. Roosevelt came to visit her school in the bronx and my mother was the student chosen to escort her through the auditorium to the stage, and experience my mother talked about for the rest of her life. Without further a do please join me in welcoming margaret, beth and dave. Thank you. You just actually proved the point i want to make to start this wonderful evening and thank you for having me. Everybody, turns out, has some connection to Eleanor Roosevelt. I grew up in cambridge, you were aware that George Washington had been on a common and George Washington slept here you go around the country and George Washington slept here, always the joke of the 30s, not just eleanor slept here but eleanor registered deeply on every Single Person she met, those memories just as your mothers was were lifelong and stayed with people. I grew up in a household in which i thought eleanor was related to me. I thought it i thought she was a relative, there was such a sense of her presence. The reason was because my mother worked for Eleanor Roosevelt at wgbh which was then in its infancy, Public Television was in its infancy, National Education and television was the primitive version where in this story one half generation away or for 5 years from another tall, powerful woman arising in pioneer fashion on Educational Television named julia child from cambridge, massachusetts but right now, 1959, Eleanor Roosevelt decided she would have a one hour per month seminar like show that would be filled at brandeis which she cared about, she was on the board, was a perfect studio and there were cables and plywood, platforms running all the way through the theater part of the auditorium and the show, my mothers job was to prepare the script, to pick from her closet one of five identical broadway like dresses, more like washday addresses. She was simple in her presentation on the show and picking which address would be this month to go over the script she had prepared with paul noble, the other producer and in this period, four years old when i went one day to the studio and remember it is among my earliest memories. The impression i had was of in motion, walking down a court or and all i remember was somehow i was able to set my foot in one spot and another and another spot and move towards this figure and say two words, juicy fruit. Looked down at me and clearly had no stick of chewing gum but she had for me what i think she had 4 people she met in this way. Her eyes beamed out light as if there was light from within. Her smile was brought and she was full of sardonic mirth at a child asking her for a stick of gum and expecting it, that was the main thing and she kindly told me she didnt have gum. I dont remember what else she said. The memory is of a sense that i was very close to goodness, that goodness was pouring out of a human being in the form of light. This happened to me one or 2 other times in my life, once very movingly when Nelson Mandela came up broadway soon after his release from roman island and his release from the United States, by chance found myself downtown and as i walked toward broadway realizing something was happening just as i arrived at broadway there was mandela in a bubble car in the parade and his glance fell to the left of me and i felt i could see there was the same phenomenon of goodness appearing as light. I saw it once in an artist when he was looking at something, the same attention when it was given, pure attention, pure love of the subject the same thing happen and strangely, what connected me to mrs. Roosevelt and began this book for me was an odd coincidence, in 2001 i was given access to a basement on madison avenue. And go down is that basement under Office Building to look for records from 1950 of the beginning of the peanuts character and strip with Charles Shultz, a young cartoonist from minnesota had been trying for a number of years to get this cartoon started at United Feature Syndicate was the International Syndicate that shultz was accepted by and his papers were down there and as i found shultz at the s part of the bankers box to the right where they are alphabetical, the first one i saw to my left was roosevelt my day. I picked up the lid and magical dust flew into the air as i lifted out a long galley and i remember the first description, i had an impression that Eleanor Roosevelt had written a column, didnt know anything about it at that moment and so as i began reading a description of starlight from a sleeping porch in a fall morning, early fall morning and the great hopefulness that this site of the morningstar from mrs. Roosevelt brought into this first paragraph of this daily column myself the same sense of wonder and attention and joy and love, why dont i keep reading this . I had a lot to do right there and discovered shultz. I have very strong feeling that this was something that needed to be continued and i needed to look more carefully there and that was the beginning, strangely, on the same spot, i later learned as i began my research into eleanor and franklin and franklins mother, 200 madison avenue, the basement where i was had been franklins mothers house in new york city, the house she had moved from, when commercial when the commercial things began to arrive further uptown and that was her moment of escape from 200 madison up to 47, 49 e. 60 fifth where she lived with franklin, thats another story. Back to cambridge i wanted to say before i turn it over to margaret and beth, give a shout out to everybody, david, thank you, shout out to one of your neighbors, digital and otherwise. Eleanor parker, i wanted to shout out my train commuting buddy who i grew up in cambridge, she and i used to run for the train that ran to concorde and back, always a bit odd, there were very few people landed certified our oddball, we were taking it to concorde and no one else was doing that. It remains outer limit to me strangely enough, that was very far away from life as i knew it early on and then in my teenage years it is always a very romantic and highly literary locus that im proud to be at tonight. That was fascinating and i love your connection to boston. You are very much a new york person now i understand. The cambridge dies hard in all of us. Fascinating to hear. I havent appreciated your thorough connection to wgbh, a partner in the series we do. As i said, we do have a lot of partners, it is really a thrill to be with them at the state library. As many of you know we at american ancestors run the series american inspiration and i cant think of a better person to be part of this series then Eleanor Roosevelt. They are such looming the large figures in American History and eleanor particularly is such an inspiration particularly at this time for inclusion, diverse city for our great country such a role model and truly inspiring. One particularly big fan is beth carol from the university of massachusetts, tell us about your fandom and the first question. Let me apologize for being late to join you. My computer shuts down. I am head of special collections at the state library at the Massachusetts State House in Downtown Boston and we are depository of massachusetts back into publication and many other things in massachusetts history. We are glad to be part of this group tonight so margaret and i have written some questions for david and also compiled questions that came from people when they registered and we will be watching for questions that come in during the talk tonight so i will start with one question that is mostly mine because i am a huge fan of eleanors and it includes questions from other people. Here is my first question. My favorite line in the book, there were many favorite lines, was right after the dedication page but before the table of contents and it is a quote from eleanor that says i felt obliged to notice everything and to me that sentence can apply to every thing that happens to her in the book, everything but shaped her life. I wonder if you could give some context for that quote and tell us if you agree with my thoughts about it . Im so touched by your thoughts about it because that as an epigraph what i hoped that would sound, almost a as an overture to her life. Aaron copeland, appalachian springs, i began work, i thought of eleanors great expansion from her own life to the life of the country as being the whole country. Her ability to notice began when she was very young, something of a survival mechanism, it became something i was almost shocked how many people left records of her almost staring at them. When she didnt think someone was noticing her she would look carefully at them. I dont think she missed the thing. In one of democracys great principles which was reciprocity, that everybody counts, everybodys life and feelings and rights are to be equally judged and taken into account eleanors noticing was extremely democratic and equal opportunity and far reaching and farseeing. One thing that everybody who did meet her or came into contact with her felt about her, they felt seen and being seen by someone who comes from the center of the government or the center of democracy or washington dc was a very unusual experience in those days. It would be more unusual now to feel that seen in our mass world. To be glimpsed by someone like a letter roosevelt at the time is to feel as if youre very humanity had been taken into account and that was one of her gifts, that was automatic and natural, you couldnt fake it. It was authentic, and authentic wish to understand others. She felt after a certain point that there wasnt anybody she couldnt learn from. Everybody she met was somebody who if she understood them carefully and on their own terms, began to get a sense what they were about she would learn something and take it back, sometimes back to the president , the government, back to some agency that might help, sometimes back to her own column which she used to reflect those thoughts which she had seen in others. I have an entire file called simply noticing. Part of the Job Description where she changed what being first lady was and what being a human being was. Her job was to notice people what they were going through. The phrase, the quote meant more to me after i finished the book than when i first started so thank you for that. Part of that sentence is the word obliged. I was very struck by how obligated she felt to so many people through her life starting with her father, she developed a capacity to oblige, live subject to other peoples controlling teen years, she looked after the grant the girls who were there. And then she looked after fdr and she had a hard to please mother in law and stepping back and obliging what she did, was she born for this type of service . In someone, i used to think of Eleanor Roosevelt, there was a dogooder quality about her, they began to appear more subtly, beginning research and beginning to understand her. The wish to do good had a great deal to do with ideas about her father who died in such disgrace, absolutely drag through the mud, in his own world that may come across. Something that translated into a need to be useful. To take the care she had given them and give back to her. It became a mission to become a person whose usefulness was illuminating or enlightening or would open somebody up or create a sense of awakening. That never stopped her. It became her transaction, the way she connected. Why she risked uncertain things, was she an introspective store, did she have feelings . In the service you are talking about, the capacity, to purveyor. Something she first worked on to understand the parts of herself she knew she could not fulfill in others, allowing them to be tolerant, that she conquered, she had to conquer one of her feelings she understood in herself. She didnt have a broad range wasnt allowed to express anger. If she had a resentment, only a mild peak let alone the right to be fullblown angry, was told to go into a background, hang her head over the bathtub and cry it out. She was very constrained and learning how to respond to people who hurt her, to turns of the wall and turn it on. Self immolation was part of her responses and the transcendence of that allowed her to become the independent woman she became in stepbystep. The roosevelt marriage, she had learned early how to be friend someone in the instance of not lucy mercer who was a rival, but later, part of their lives and replace her almost as a surrogate to become part of the family and part of their parallel lives. Thank you. Many of the people attending the author talks, how authors do their work. This Eleanor Roosevelt biography seemed like it had a cast of thousands, thank you for that list of characters in the beginning of the book, there was helpful especially the nicknames. You manage your research, how you keep so many details . I am asking this partly as a librarian too. A couple tricks and big fails. I give each person of color, every blue index cards, every green index card is eleanor, every red index card, theodore roosevelt, oyster bay cousins, yellow, any woman eleanor sell in love with or any man eleanor fell in love with. White is quotation from other sources needs to be saved. Those are miraculously helpful in keeping things straight in the beginning. In eleanor surrogate with franklin, one of the purples, purples were franklin and eleanor people, or gobetween, folders in chronological order. The main principle i learned from Buckminster Fuller about his friendship, into a complicated life will of information gathering Free Internet and much of his work was global, the only way to keep things straight was to file, every time you get a piece of information if you do put it chronologically into a chronological file, you remember it better and it went into a chronological file starting in 1884 but every gear of eleanors life is in chronological when that happened. Back to that year you discover two things next to each other reveal something. Information that wasnt there in the first place. First answer to the question is index cards. I have to have it in my hand in the beginning. All things will go. I have a space in that because i will end up in a digital rolling stone, it will endlessly be alive. I burn his i was fortunate in my early publishing career, pat would do the same with chronology. He kept a chronology of everything and asked the administrative person every letter he wrote that would turn off chronological, all these letters he ever wrote to the same people but please give me 1990. Every person gets the file too. And it is important to keep each of them separate and clear. One thing i am delighted to keep all the gilded age families in order. Their marriage, fdr, the merging of the oyster bay long island roosevelt and hyde park roosevelt which come from the still futile but families on the Hudson Valley where a remarkable collection of land and gentry and governors mother was the merging, in new york, the displacer is at a high society sorts, an amazing collection of names of new york. She moves among new york, and she stuck in ground stone society, eta for naps land. Equal measure in the american, in the American Dream but also essentially that was created with all that wealth that overtook families like eleanors and the roosevelts. They were old new york, and she was from old new york, and she actually, i think, kept bits and pieces of that all, you saw the statue of Eleanor Roosevelt and the great roosevelt monument in washington, d. C. Next to the tidal basin there. The new roosevelt monument of the 2000s or late 90s, i guess, and eleanor was deliberately shown in that statue without fur. Well, she wore furs everywhere. She carried her handbag everywhere. She arrived with view e lets. She always violets. She always had something for you. She never gave those up, and she didnt ever worry about being identified or labeled according lu. She simply was who she was, and that kind of freedom, i think, was a triumph for her really, ultimately. It allowed her to be herself in ways that i think other people like her were uncomfortable with. She never became uncomfortable being a woman of her time and place. Thank you. Thats a wonderful answer. Beth, do you want to do one more before we take off for the realm of other questions . Okay. Well, the question that i have is an amalgam of some other peoples as well. In the section that covers the first years after fdrs election to the presidency, i was struck by how similar and this is something that you just with mentioned a minute ago how many of the conditions that were going through right now, the financial crisis, families out of work, losing homes, limited federal aid, president ial election, climate disaster, many more things, theyre very similar to what were going through right now. So the question is how can we use what you learned from eleanor and how she reacted to all of these things to help us through these times that were going through right now . Well, theres two good answers right off the top of my head. One is she certainly made listening part of the Job Description as first lady. And her listening was very deep, it was always sincere, it was profound listening to that what somebody really was thinking and how that might affect the other people in their lives. I think she was like a doctor the way she listened, she listened with her back, looking forward. When doctors used to make diagrams of the rest of the family to understand what kind of illnesses you might have inherited when they were diagnosed, she was a diagnostician as she listened, and she was wide open to what you had to say. And i think without question the ability to listen is the most important thing today that she would saw, i think. The other part is hatred is upon us and has been upon us now for a while in a public way, in a way that was unleashed, and it takes people by surprise. Eleanor, it took me by surprise and shocked me to find the constant hatred e that she was subjected to in her public life starting in her public life as a woman, but particularly her public life as a first lady. She was actually reviled because she, people realized in the south where jim crow was in the ascendancy and ku klux klan put a bounty on her head at one point. She experienced the kind of hatred that i, you heard a bit about and heard during the obama years, but it is now out in the streets, and now its part of the discourse and part of her ability to let that go, to never, to never react directly, to find a way around or a way over and a way under, sometimes through the, but i think she was, she was never committed to winning, she was never committed to making her point be the point that stuck. She was always moving past that. And i think movement itself and letting go, moving forward and letting go were the two things that she did most often and that you dont see much of, enough of now. I think people get stuck. Okay. Well, thank you. So so, margaret, were going to turn to some questions that came in from our viewers, right . [inaudible] i gathered three of them together. They were sent in early, and ill get you all three of them. Was eleanor a college grad, what was eleanors early education, and who influenced eleanor the most . And i, you know, you would love you to talk a little bit about her remarkable experience of education, david. And also fdrs approach toings. He was clearly to education. He was clearly haunted by [inaudible] and in a good way. Both of them greatly informed by their education. Tell us more. Eleanor was told by her grandmother that if she were to go to college, she would never attract a man. It was that world that thinking that the point of college was to get your mrs degree and or simply a few more fine tunings of a debutante. But women didnt go to college in her class. They were not encouraged to. Very few did in eleanors generation, although law school, there were lawyers ultimately from her generation, and women did go to college, but not the women that she came of age with. She went to a boarding school in england that her aunt, her roosevelt aunt, ann a that roosevelt anna roosevelt, the sister of theodore roosevelt, had gone and become the it girl of that era under a charismatic french woman who was progressive in her politics but who emphasized one thing above all else which was that a woman needed to learn to think for herself. The idea of education at the time was thought to actually be harmful, potentially, to a womans health. A young woman might get ideas. She might get influenced by things that she might you might need to send her i way to someplace if she got too carried away with this education stuff. So this was almost radical in the sense that she was taking the young women of the thenaristocracy both international and american, but particularly International Girls who were not being told at home to think for themselves or to say much of anything. And she toll them that not only must they think for themselves, but learn how to speak their minds and to carry an argument through and to defend their part of the argument. Skills that today, i think, are natural to a sixth grader were denied and disapproved of then for young women 15 and over. Eleanor went at a 15. She stayed with the french woman who she became, whose favorite she became and that was more a sense of position, almost of sort of a graduate student. It was sort of, almost an assistant professor role where she had things to teach younger girls, she had responsibilities. She was what she became all her life which was this intermediary going between the authority and others. She defended various classmates with against her teacher. She took education as a gift, is and what she learned there she brought back. And it became a template for her whole life. One of the things she learned there she blamed herself for later which was that the standards, high standards declared she had to learn at the table at the school how to converse with a grownup on subjects that she knew nothing about. That was a matter of her listening to what was being said, picking up details and then coming back with that later in the conversation as if she now knew better or knew more than she really did. Its not exactly b. S. Ing as we would call it today or but it was a way of projecting things, projecting herself that she learned lauter to curtail. Later to curtail. She then went back to the books later on and said im going to learn from the ground up and not take this sort of more diplomatic version. She went back to the United States in 1901 and, unfortunately, was subjected by her grandmother to the whole range of debutante coming out and society girl rituals and rites that was horrific to her in large part because her own parents she was an orphan by then, the her parents had died. Her mother had been in the awe seven can su socially among i ascendancy socially among new york society. She had lost her father in this scandalous way so that every room she went into, she was whispered about, either poor daughter or anna roosevelt, less attractive daughter they would say. She was shamed. It was a public shaming. And also the rituals of that world were really all geared towards the matrons and were you going to play the game of cash and spend and being involved in all the dangerous liaisons and Edith Wharton age of innocence kind of rich a walls, tribal rituals and rites. She was such an outsider, and and her own life had now created, i think, the great theme of do i belong and am i connected and where do i fit in so that when she met franklin, she discovered another outsider and oddball. Although franklin are came from the roosevelts of hyde park and of the hudson river and had lived a quite magnificent childhood there, it was still sort of princely isolate childhood. He was an only child, and his mother sent him to school late meaning he lost three years that his peers had already had bonding at that very male school. And the world he then had to catch up in was a world with where he was considered an outsider. When they met, eleanor and franklin, i always thought of it as the meetings of the oddballs because they were cousins, but they were both odd among their peers. They were charismatic, each of them in their different ways, and could be quite dynamic anding magnetic. But in the world at this time, they were both outsiders, and that was part of their earliest attraction, i think. Thank you. I was going to say about her influence yeah. I think this is, its reading in the book but it also needs that cast of characters. But there were in her life when she was an orphan these aunts and uncles, in this grand if youve ever seen the story about a family like the halls, it was magnificent, now falling down as industrialism and the new world overtakes it. But she lived in this house as an orphan on the hudson river, and it looks as if its right out of the magnificent ambersons. And it had these aunts and uncles who were, oh, falling down, you know . The uncles were quite astonishingly the tennis champions of their day. When long tennis was just starting, they were the earliest champions. And the aunts were the dazzling beauties of the moment in all the magazines. And [inaudible] valentine, werent they . Valentine sr. And valentine jr. Right. And uncle va hly was an amateur actor. When uncle vally and uncle eddie won the doubles championship on the east coast in 1880, they then moved on to, you know, the National Championship several years later. But 1888, i think the, they were doubles champions. The house was full of their trophies, it was full of all this old, passing glory. And eleanor was the young responsible one among a group of now quite feckless alcoholics, out of control, quite kooky, zany, fun. She it was not a government you can or horrifying gothic or horrifying orphanhood, it was more that she saw people falling apart, and she learned how to be the almost proxy trustee. She was the one who showed up in court. She was the one who showed up at the Police Station when uncle vally was one more time had gone to a bender in new york in the tenderloin district and showed up at the, you know, the station house and, you know, the officer was on, on the blower calling and saying youve got to come someones got to come get him out of here. And he was the bane of eleanors life later on when she was first lady. He was still carrying on, and uncle eddie led his life also went to seed. She was very loyal to those aunts and uncles. The aunts did so much better than the uncles. But it was the beginning of her talking obviously, i think werent displaced people, but they were displussed people. They didnt know where to go or what to do, ultimately. And it was eleanors job really to take care of them, and she buried them, each of them. She saw them through terrible tragedy. She took care of their children, she paid tuitions, she made sure everyone the numbers of people and things that eleanor would be writing checks for in her adult life and the christmas list and the numbers of individuals that she was constant whose fate she had a sense of responsibility toward was extraordinary. And that was just personal. Leapt alone all the let alone all the people that applied to in her political world. Thank you. Go ahead, beth. Well, margaret, since were getting a little bit close to the end, do you want to ask the main question, and then well do our final one . Oh, my gosh. Theres so many questions. You go ahead with one more. Actually, we have people online who were named eleanor after eleanor. And i, you know, thats common, if you want to comment on naming and eleanor keep talking, because ive just got to look for this really quickly. Okay. All right. You might be surprised at how people made that comment when they registered. Yeah. Im eleanor because of eleanor. Its unbelievable to me. Hang on one sec. Just one sec. Another okay. Go ahead. I searched almanacs am i still on . Yes, we hear you. I began keeping an almanac of the things that were named for her or after her, and here it goes. A rose, a mid season peony, an ambertipped calla lily, a clock, a cake, a strawberry, a bowl in a traveling wild west bull in a traveling wild west rodeo, 10 to anyone who can ride Eleanor Roosevelt in ten seconds. A shawed of blue a shade of blue, a spaghettistrapped wedding gown. A milwaukee restaurant, innumerable public and slow e casual schools, a college at the university of californiasan diego, an honorary chapter of kappa delta phi, a dormitory for women at rhode island state college, world war ii war plane, countless newborns including anna Eleanor Roosevelt blake, the baby born in a trailer february 6, 1939, north wilmington, massachusetts, the american pop music singer born 1940, eleanor berke steven, writer of the movie dirty dancing. Myriad pets, awards and fellowships in political science, a 200acre tract of land, population 20,000 3 miles from puerto rico, a sun downtown, whites only in west virginia, a lake in Yosemite National park that she helped stock with rainbow trout, urban housing projects, golf course hazards including teeshapedded bunkers, especially the 368yard par4 at a suburban chicago country club. The bunkers were spread out. A white dahlia and a clock. I think i mentioned the clock, but because its always on the go. [laughter] love that. Thats my naming almanac of eleanor. All right. So why dont we do the last question which, again, as many of them have been, is a combination of questions that came in from people. And that is was eleanor appreciated by the public during her lifetime, or was her great impact only realized after her death . And the second half of that question is, is her legacy still relevant in todays world . I think, i think theres so much pain in the world that the eleanor is a figure now greater than ever because she was a person who saw pain in others and decide try to heal it and could. I think she had the ability to do that. So i think her legacy in the world today, her ability to look into you and for you to see her, that connection which, sadly, isnt were not able to do that in realtime anymore is still there for people with her when they do connect to her and to her spirit which is global and which became global because its universal. Its about human beings, its about finding and seeing the humanity of somebody else and taking it into yourself. And so i think that when she was alive, two things happened. Its a strangeness that she was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize several times but never given it. As anyone, as the creator, as the chairman, as the supervisor of the universal declaration of human rights, a document that attempts to bring basic rights to people in all nations across the globe and serve as a instrument for that, those rights going forward, she should have been awarded that honor. Her life was so full of honors, i dont think it mattered to her at all that that never took place. I think she actually would have been the first to say that she didnt it was for her husbands policies or her her carrying out her husbands policies. In her lifetime she felt the she felt beloved, i think, by people. I think people communicated their love and admiration to her in public. I think people stopped her frequently on the street and where she was, and she connected frequently with people. She always gave it over to franklin, her husband, franklin d. Ooze svelte as president of roosevelt as president of the United States and as the great war leader who did not see the end of the war, gave her an endless, endless decades of widowhood in which she could sidestep what attention might be brought to her by saying she was simply carrying out her husbands legacy. That wasnt true. She would deflect when she needed to deflect, i think. But i think that what she wanted always was connection and what she wanted was belonging, and what she wanted was love. And i think that she found that in part and yet never wholly. And i think that her struggles with that and her ability to finally see herself whole manifested at the very end of her life where she, i think, accepted that what he had done was enough she had done was enough. And that in her final struggles with tuberculosis, she was able to e say to herself its just not who i am to languish and fade away in an invalid world. I would rather go now. And i think that she, in recognizing that, that she had done what she had been put on earth to do, i think she expressed the kind of, what is it . My favorite monument [inaudible] Arthur Schlesingers gravestone now there appears a bow tie, theres a bow tie engraved on the stone. There are two stones in mount auburn of a husband and wife, and his stone says Something Like best to love, and her stone says she tried. I think eleanor tried. I think she tried, and i think she succeeded. I think she did finally love, and i think she was loved. I think finding that from herself primarily was a great struggle. But i do think that today when you even just rifle through the Digital World of Eleanor Roosevelts quotes and of the inspiration she brings to people even by saying, you know, no one can make you inferior without your consent, the future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams, these quotes and these ideas are active for people and i think are brought forward by times like the one were living in where authority is confused as to its role, as to how to help and how to bring people into the process that theyre alienated from. Eleanors main goal, i think, and her great legacy is to is say that your government does among to you. Its not just giving to you. Well, thank you. Ive loved Eleanor Roosevelt all my life, so thank you for that. I understand what her history might be able to tell us going on after the beginning of her husbands presidency. 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