Offer Virtual Events at this time and to hear about the king of confidence a tale of utopian dreamers, frontier schemers, true believers, false prophets, and the murder of an american monarch if it wasnt for you showing up, so thank you for doing that. We do ask you keep your video feed disabled. If you do enable it, if you enable the second time we appreciate your cooperation. I want to go over our format. We will have a reading by miles harvey to start us confidence a tale of utopian dreamers, frontier schemers, true believers, false prophets, and the murder of an american monarch which was published last tuesday and donovan hahn reads from another book published in june we will hear an extended conversation from 30 to 35 minutes and have a few here and there with supplemental images and once we are done with that we will wrap things up with audience q and a, feel free to send them my way. I will be fielding and screening those. I will read some bios and get the reading underway. Miles harvey wrote the land of lost maps and recipient of fellowship. His book was named Chicago Tribune book of the year. He currently teaches at university. His interlocutor, donovan hahn, the author of moby duck, a New York Times notable book, john Kenneth Gilbert award for nonfiction. The second book, the inner coast was published last month. A lot of us already knew this but both of these men graduated from the msa program at the university of michigan a few blocks away. I appreciate it, if you wouldnt mind putting your actual zoom reactions, thank you. Good to see you. At poetry, your book is longer than mine. And the night wallace function and we teach fiction in chicago and detroit. I want to be clear to everyone, he is sharing a stage with me. I will get ahead of you with your reading, the antihero of the book that you will tell us about tonight is getting crowned as king in Beaver Island, somehow this man managed to convince 235 lonely souls in the tabernacle that it was a royal diadem, with red robe stitched together by ladies of the church, enveloped him in righteousness and splendor. In tonights event we dont have 235 lonely souls gathered in the tabernacle, the kingdom the paper crown, george adams, the theatrical impresario. As i said to you before with nonfiction books and we end of Holding Forth as exports on the subject but i love your pros. I want you to read some and you will go with something that help us understand the title. We will get to that in a minute. If you could put up side one. I thought i would introduce the audience, the title of the book. There he is. I will read a little bit about this man james j string, the decades leading up to the civil war and this is the guy, you wonder how he managed you can leave it up. The most charismatic guy, and it was unimposing, the oddly bulging for him, he possessed one distinguishing feature, dark brown eyes which one acquaintance described as small but bright and piercing, given animated expression was another claimed they could bore right through a person. Staying possessed, and invisible, ineffable confidence in the days before electrical power confidence made the antebellum era hung. Confidence was black magic, good fortune and hard cash combined. Confidence could turn glittering gold, cow towns into cities, empty lots into businesses, losers into winners, authors and millions, confidence was a charm deployed by bankers, and politicians, clergymen and card sharp. Confidence was the soul of the trade for financial publication, how much between man and man as between country and country. Age when people had to trust on privately issued banknotes, glorified are you yous, confidence with the national currency. That is what the guy possessed, his ability to wield it, from being an obscure farm boy in new york and a failed lawyer or newspaper publisher, failed postmaster to the midwest, a Mormon Prophet and a threat to brigham young, a couple utopian counties i will talk about. Took a word out of my title, what is that all about . It is the intercoast and they told a lot, since here we are, i am on the other side of michigan, i grew up on the coast of california but the son of misplaced midwesterners and spent much of my life by the great lakes and wanted to make the case for the great lakes, the coast has always been a contact zone between here and elsewhere. Etymologically it derives from latin and in middle english, could still offer you a coasted lamb meaning rack of ribs. The feed coast was the rib cage of the land and its primary sense, refused to displace where land and sea begins and in that sense all coasts are by definition outer and oceanic ones. These in return for the edge of a lake or a bank or sure, and a paradox. Michigan it ms. Western midwestern, peninsular, with antique lighthouses as new england is longer than californias florida absent all the other states, standing on a midwestern beach you can watch freighters slide across the horizon. In article terms to coast is to travel and in enough sense coast through the heart of north america. Circumnavigating all of the states east of the mississippi without laying eyes on the pacific. These days the word coastal is as sociological as it is geographic and framed like coastal living or coastal elites, the word collapses, the west coast on the seaboard, supposedly inhabited, and berkeley or boston in seattle. Certain chicagoans, on the gold coast might qualify as coastal in this sense but not residents of gary or sandusky or milwaukee or dearborn, home of the largest to the past rouge river, a neighborhood on the northeast side of detroit that becomes popular with immigrants in vietnam. I will start there with a taste of speaking a new about that word coast. You touch on, brought in melville who wrote the confidence man who talked about the idea of confidence required economically and secret power for the charismatics, you talk later, tell the story of the origins of that word quote the newspaper story and introduced it into the lexicon. Among all the materials you are drawing into the store you are doing a certain amount of etymological excavation, reminding us what parts of the american vernacular originated in the antebellum period and some of it is strange like what is the origin of the confidence man . Interesting you say that. I kept finding words that were not early enough in Oxford English dictionary and a lot of people in our audience know the gold standard, in a newspaper story from 1820, will be 1890, and if it ever wrote back. In 1849, this is a period where there has been an economic crash, massive technological revolution, the telegraph, the railroad, communications revolution, internet superhighway, this confidence becomes an important thing. In 1849, a new york newspaper called him the confidence man, to go up to people and say donovan, donovan, you dont remember me . Come on, man. That would be embarrassing. Then say donovan, i am hurt by that, give me a watch is a show of confidence, he would do that and people would give them their watches but this word spread like wildfire and it is fun to watch it spread through the american mexican because it describes so many people in so many walks of life and straying he epitomized this in this period where truth was malleable, facts were not really facts like our own time in some ways. People like him thrive in those times and strang was able to pull off his own truth with the bluster people were willing to believe in. Host beautiful. I want to first strang as a historical figure from a writers point of view is a treasure for you. You write about it. I want to make you speak a little bit about the index of your book and the acknowledgments. The way i speak about how this works is you have a central figure in strang that he is almost a planetary object whose force of personality exerts like Gravitational Force on the antebellum 19thcentury of the upper midwest so your book draws into it all these marvels and wonders and of securities from that time. From under a in your index, american revolution, anderson, hans christian, angels, part of it seems, what is wonders about your book, collecting the historical figures you end up gathering into your narrative, pt barnum, emily bronte, john wilkes booth, henry clay, darwin, the guy who invented the keyboard, this magnetic power of the narrative to gather it all up and you talk about that in your acknowledgments, this poll story the man of the crowd, there is the central figure, a man who had once arrested and absorbed my whole attention. Tell me how you think, i dont know want if you want to explain that analogy but it is not a traditional biography. Houses strang work with it . There are 3 good books about strang. They are very good. They tended to treat him as a footnote to mormon history, a michigan king and from the start i saw strang is a lightning rod for all the enthusiasm and social movements and apocalyptic fears of the age and so i saw him as the embodiment of a crazy time and i know we dont to the same thing but you do something similar, got a nice review, he called myself wonderfully aggressive, talked about i havent thought about this, getting the big picture. I got to go back to you on this, you are one of the most wonderful nonfiction writers today in doing what you praised me for. Donovan strayed 1 million times but there is an essay here, on the intercoast, romance of rest, this is a, before i knew him, was a real source of interest written inspiration for me. I read it 20 years ago, harpers 15 years ago, a long time ago and at a time when i needed to be inspired by another writer. I picked up harpers and started reading about an antique tool collector in michigan. I have written about collectors before. The way you brought american history, desires into that piece, do you want to talk about that . That for me was an important one because i had been writing nonfiction, it is not that uncommon, historically was the standard genres, my first earliest essays, a search of the personal essay or two or that was what you have done in this book. Think of it as the art of finding, captured the imagination, the analogy comes from entomology, not etymology, you are going to follow it. Once you have that this is fascinating and your mind starts generating questions. The the king of confidence a tale of utopian dreamers, frontier schemers, true believers, false prophets, and the murder of an american monarch. And uncle i have great affection for, in ann arbor, a botanist by training had begun collecting by chance in ann arbor, picked up two mentions that were identical. The indigenous symmetry. And upset civilly. And he turns the barn on the outside near dexter, now he has a few of them. It is not open to the public. Arrays like the artifacts, specimens, fossils below the dinosaurs, 100 spigot handles identical or one array of them. A cabinet of wonders but not of natural artifacts that are manmade. Hugely fascinating and the Company Narrative and that narrative. Similar here, and he allows you to follow your own curiosity and questions. Somehow the inventor of the keyboard change to the guy to the midwest. And accidental juxtapositions does that make sense . We may be working from a similar method, such admiration for you. I dont make many predictions about the future, i can talk about an example of it. In the digital age becoming more and more similar, use see it as an act of storytelling. I really love that and increasingly i find myself, this book had a single spaced timeline in strangs life and the world. A narrative making machine. Another quick reading if you dont mind. If you could put up slide number 6. Here it comes. I will read two short paragraphs between them a little explanation but edgar allen wrote in the stormy seas of the psyche, places of perfect security, freedom from all restraint, where normal laws and moral rules of conduct and systems of logic dont apply, they are frequent locales for experimental communities including the original utopia which thomas moore set on an island, and and and was was his draw, one of the things we need to understand what apocalyptic times, in 1848 when strang was starting to start a colony on Beaver Island and push it, this was the year of apocalyptic fevers in the United States and in the world. You see why the seas but the sea monster is here. Strang spent summer of 1848, ominous signs of revolutions in europe and us war in mexico and rising tensions between north and south. Let me warn you, when the time draws near, prophetic events are crowding upon one another. Strangs newspaper reported mormons and local fishermen spotted a huge sea serpent off the coast of Beaver Island, one of many such sightings around the world during the portentous years of 18471848. From the 21st century perspective, hard to know what to make of this claim but one possibility is strang, the Lake Michigan monster with the beast from the sea whose appearance heralded the apocalypse and revelation knowing when joseph smith claimed they symbolize, quote, the degenerate kingdoms of the wicked world, strang hoped to wonderscore Beaver Island as the new zion of prophecy, Promised Land of mormon teachings, latter day saints would gather to assure into the Second Coming of christ and his 1000 year reign on earth. This picture in front of you is not illustration of the sea monster strang spotted off Beaver Island but was one of the many sea monsters the legitimate people thought they saw in 184748, a Royal Navy Ship spotted this sea monster somewhere. That gives a sense of the intense period we are talking about and strang had his own reasons for going to the island and started a criminal enterprise. You can take it down. He would send his people all over the lake to rate various towns and throughout the midwest steel horses and other items. There has been a lot of controversy about this. Really writers said there is no proof strang pulled out these crimes and that it was antimormon bias. He moves moved that along a little bit. There is solid, undeniable realtime reporting [speaking in native tongue] strangs crimes. The chapter in ohio. You did new research. That is all new, lots of fun, 19thcentury journalists in small towns and in this newspaper, a wonderful, sarcastic writer but this is important. In real time there is a series of stories, steel horses, policies sent out after him, hes brought back, one of strangs top enforcers, the paper reports on that and strang coming to town, that he will help this guy out of jail. He is found guilty but it is overturned on a technicality the sheriff didnt form something. That technicality was probably hindered as corruption, and doesnt go to the state penitentiary facing a local jail and theres a jailbreak and he is gone and returns to Beaver Island so theres a lot more one of the things we are interested in, landscapes of the midwest, stuff the introduction, this came out in early june, a couple paragraphs, the way i think of these essays, preoccupation with excavating and as someone who is an adoptive midwesterner i grew up as my family was very nice down chicago grew up on the mythic midwest, the whole project has been to do an excavation. This is the midwest like we never imagined it. It is one thing before i jump into my own stuff. The tiny cosmos, feels like your book is doing the logic of the microcosm. We can look closely at Beaver Island and strang becomes the representative of his period. Didnt mention the rest of his career. Amateur meteorologists at the don of meteorology as a scientific discipline. Really kind of are presented a figure but the island becomes a concentrate of america in the middle of Lake Michigan. My First Experience in this country was a farm that came down to us in our family, i have two paragraphs, this farm was passed down two generations near the edge of Lake Michigan. The farm was no longer operational. There was a heritage site to which the increasingly scattered tribe would make pilgrimages, commuting nostalgically with an agrarian past vestiges of which survived. The place was like a museum of an anachronisms. Exhibits included an empty red barn, an outhouse with the splintered door, a hand pump the drew water from the well, glistening helixes of amber flypaper that spiraled from the firehouse rafters, and a few chicks whose beheading i was made to witnesses initiation into the brutal knowledge farm life, head list the chickens body ran a lap around the chopping block, both gruesome and comical. Lost lake, according to legend a lot are read an attempt to drive an ox in the across it. The harvested timber comes up in your book, green gold have you with harvested timber his wagon had broken through thin ice dragging the logger and oxen with its. In a dented aluminum canoe. You could touch bottom with your paddle. The bottom it was silly and soft, sinking as far as you could plunge it never touching hard ground. Who knew what was down there . I imagined if you fell overboard and tried to send you would get sucked into the muck, disappearing, unlikely prehistoric animals with cloven hooves, sabertooth tigers, and ended up drowned. Which is perhaps how it had gone for the logger and his oxen. The prehistoric mammals of north america, although i never visited them it was a prominent feature on the landscape of my inner life. For me one of the things i need to do as a writer is have images that work as motifs, the idea of things being buried down there that you cant see below the history, especially for collection of essays like a collection of poems means a different unity. If it is different themed you have an actual plot here. I was thinking a lot and wants to make sure we have time in 5 minutes for questions but you are not historic narrative history, credentialed historian where you dont have a phd in history. I tried to work with history. Im curious about your method. You spend many years visiting archives and all the rest, wondering if you did the kind of thing that i know some train historians doing a writer must have done because you are trying to bring it to light with sensory detail and immediacy, there is a throwaway moment, two dramatic climaxes in this novel one of which is what if the u. S. Navy sent gunships to Beaver Island which is amazing which reveals the true ending. The tragic story and the end, one little moment talking about this figure, going out to Beaver Island, the warship closed in, from the deck, could see the densely forest did shores, hide the air with fresh redness and that seemed to me exemplary of what distinguishes the narrative creative nonfiction, from at least some kind of scholarly history, the historical imagination needing to imagine yourself, talk about the methods. How did you go about getting the sense of place and detail . It is tricky to talk about this. In the last 40 years, dont want to get slapped upside the head by colleagues but academic historians push back on the idea of narratives. When you are telling a story you are not telling another story. My own feeling is people crave narratives and a lot of work to make up for when they write about history, that gives me a book called natures metropolis, classic book about chicagos role, fascinated by michigan pine trees being cut it down and settling the prairies, like that. It is a matter of whenever you can, i dont think you make stuff up but when someone is standing on a ship, anyone driven into upper zones of michigan knows what it is like to get out of the car and smell the pine, i want to get that little moment right. Some friends of mine driving up on 100 degree day in our airconditioned car and get out north of green bay and that smell would hit you. I am a defender of narrative storytelling and i love doing it. I want to be respectful of academic historians. You do credit them, you quote their books and honor their titles and you quote most often, the title i noticed most often, the one on pantaloons. I was astonished how much about fashion this book is, so much about fashion, how people address it and then story about a tire on Beaver Island. It is about michigan so it is going to be about fashion. I think a lot of the book is about gender roles in the Nineteenth Century which are fascinating so women on the island started wearing pantaloons, pajama pants tied at the ankles. The famous protofeminist Amelia Bloomer wore them as part of the Civil Rights Movement so so far ahead of time, one of the interesting things, they look like big skirts that are shorter in front and wearing some nonsexy pants but at the time they were shocking and eventually strang set all women on the island must wear pantaloons and this became sort of the outward point of rebellion that led to his assassination in 1856. My feeling is it was deeper than that and something to think of right now the way masks have become a symbol of loyalty or nonloyalty so if you wore pantaloons or your wife or pantaloons on Beaver Island you were with china. In the same way until yesterday when the president announced masks were okay not Wearing Masks was a symbol of loyalty to the president and to a certain extent aside from health and safety, trump believes people on the other side were Wearing Masks to show opposition to him. Those are always political and one of the great joys of this book thinking about gender relations. I have not read the protofeminist writer of this time, fascinating and a good writer and when we talk about that in the 1840s. It is one of the many interesting aspects. Close to [speaking in native tongue]s household, and traveled safely, go ahead. Lets put up slide number 5. Slide number 5, this is strangs wife of ira passing strangs nephew charles j douglas. In 1849 as the word confidence man is coming into fashion introducing this young man as his nephew and personal secretary he shared the bed with. I young woman named of ira fields who strang married to. Of ira is one of the most exciting aspects and a very progressive woman for the time. I hope we peaked some curiosity. Some questions for miles. We have two, the first question is from eileen who was wondering, tell us what you learned, a charlatan like spring. Great friend and wonderful writer. People like strang, those times, theres a lot of change and people dont know whats to cling to and the truth becomes porous, strang in his time, i dont mention the current president in the book or present times, and oblique reference at the front and back, but i have got to say my time working on this book overlapped with trumps candidacy and election and presidency. I woke up, went to sleep every night thinking about trump and woke up thinking about strang. Trump helped me understand strang and their own era helped me understand strang but strang helped me understand trump. I will say strang was brilliant at manipulating the media. He totally understood newspapers. In Beaver Island with the information superhighway. How he could control the conversation, i am struck by how many people like him are good with mass communication. A guy in the 20s and 30s who implanted goat gonads in men worried about their virility. And brinkley, really important radio pioneer, was kicked out of the United States, in mexico, among other things he helped invent Country Music on the radio. He is a Brilliant Media guy. We saw in 2016 houston dudes in a Little Office building outside moscow can have an impact on a us election. Being one step ahead with technology. Another one, kristin is asking a similar question about the parallels between strang, our time how much of the book is uncannily about now . The last question i didnt want to write a book about now. I didnt want to date my book by mentioning trump or our current times. We all have hope the book will be read 10 or 20 years in the future. They may be vain hopes but there you go. I have them. Didnt want to date it but it is interesting and thanks for the question. From the start, when i sent out for blurbs, critics alike have seen it as i dont know kind of an allegory for our own time even though i dont mention our times. As an english professor which donovan and i are, i am a Firm Believer in the humanities even though humanities are getting cut everywhere, this is what we say, it is by studying the past to understand the present so i hope my book can do that and i know donovans will. You must have been cognizant when you wrote these two sentences how they would be shadowed by the present. We live in an era of sudden transformation when you can be broke one day and rich the next, anonymous with and famous the next, when lunatic fantasies could quickly metamorphose into hard in facts, such a precarious time that nothing felt stable or certain anymore. Favored chameleons like a man who is no longer a. Wasnt all it was conscious. In answer to your question, it would have a different book in a different time. If i feel lucky about writing this book it is because of the massive bad luck, the country is feeling but a lot of us are feeling about having a time when someone who creates his own truth like strang cannot just take over Beaver Islander get elected to Michigan State legislature but have much more power in the white house. Trump influenced this book and our world influenced this book but it is true for writers all the time. Are there other questions . We have another one, at Beaver Island, what it is like now but how does that trip influence your writing . That is enough of it. A Vacation Home of her family. Beaver island, in zoom land, it is very beautiful, how remote it still feels. We are down by cable bay and dont know if we had internet in our house and couldnt get cell signals. For my teenage kid this was trauma, for my wife and i it was just great. Watched this incredible meteor shower, we thought they were going to come down and take your house but strang has not left much in terms of architecture after being murdered in 1856. I was trying not to give away the ending. They got whites off the island. Where you really see strang, st. James is the only one in the island, james strang, kings highway the only blacktop road on the island, that he orders his people to do, you feel it and you see this, to experience that kind of writer in the best way possible. I just dont i wanted to see it and it didnt affect the book in a profound way but i wanted to be in that spot. When youre putting yourself into the place in subtle ways you have a sense of the distance where st. James is and the south end where fishermen are in revolt by sense of scale. Like you did with moby duck, bestseller and highly acclaimed book which is amazing, it is about i dont know how many rubber ducks get released into the ocean and where they wind up but in many ways that donovan was talking about. If you dont like it it is awful. Why dont they get to the point but donovan goes so many places in that book and see so many things to bear witness and bearing witness to such a powerful thing in our culture, something we dont do enough of. I want to make a movie of this. It does feel dramatic. Go ahead. I was reading it and thinking there is a kind of twainian humor, like we need spike jones to adopt it if you get to it. It is serious and getting to a lot of serious stuff, trying to play a tall tale almost. You are such a wonderful thing. In the back of your head the barnum voice, pt barnum sentence but i always thought about, filtering the barnum voice. If you could here is what my son julian suggested. If you look at the nose of these two guys i find it uncanny. Chaotic charisma strang might have had. I feel like there is a genetic tie that only needs to be traced. Any other questions . I want to get to something before we close up. A view more, i am hearing Paul Giamatti and also the lame period. The cohen brothers, a good director, a lot of questions on the connection between right now in democracy and that time and what confidence they were doing and originating. One question came up that i would like to talk about regarding abolitionist strength in dakota and if you can talk, there seemed to be other things and that is coming from your wife if i remember correctly. My wife is regular all time, wonderful wonderful chicago, she did the audiobook for this book and it was fun to work with her, give her suggestions, it is great. Listening to a little bit of it, so proud to have my name associated with hers anywhere but the mortgage. Okay. What was the question . [speaking in native tongue]s abolitionism. One thing strang isnt slippery on his abolitionism. From his days as a young lawyer in new york he expresses an interest and one of the things i did to push our understanding of this along was i found out what might have influenced him. He took a trip to virginia for corrupt father and his father in law who had taken the money and run from a canal in virginia and sent strang to clean up the mess. There is a letter from strang back to his fatherinlaw where he is shocked at what he sees and he sees slave labor. A northern are going to the south, and that is the most horrific conditions. Hes clearly shocked and upset by it. He carried that with him his whole career. In the Michigan Legislature he worked against his own party because he was a democrat and working with the new Republican Party which was brandnew then on behalf of africanamericans and also ordained a black into his church more than a century before the mainstream. This is one thing that is really interesting about strang. What is great about strang for a writer, totally contradictory 3dimensional figure who was so much fun to dig into. We just dont have the browsing capabilities. These are three books, collection of essays, we just have to start with you and they were raving about it. I think its the last sexual taboo shes writing about. Shes writing about unconsummated passion, a sues of essays on unconsummated passion. I find that to be one of the most interesting subjects. I read several of these essays. Its wonderful. Avalon is the new poetry collection by a great and prolific poet Richard Jones who runs poetry east and is a great colleague and friend of mine at depaul. And cargo falls is a wonderful novel. Bill and i went to a program in ann arbor together, and this is his latest novel. Hes such a beautiful stylist. This is such a great comingofage story here i wont ruin it but its about a group of boys who find a gun with live ammunition in the force. Its a kind of a quite book with intense intersection every second. Donovan, what have you got . Can you go to ten, please. Let me move this over. There we go. So ive also been thinking a lot about other writers publishing into a pandemic, strange time suffer for some going to recommend scorpion fish by natalie i have my copy, to. Wonderful novelist. Her newest novel is set in contemporary greece of recent history during the greek economic crisis. Think of it is almost but by and writer who also went to michigan and tedious at wayne state. I cant recommend it highly enough. This is the debut by young atheist named gerard kisner, thin places. I First Encounter in the pages of the believer which is a terrific essay about a strange Debutante Ball that takes place on the texas border. Doing wonderful things with the essay. My last one is avoid the day by a writer named j kirk. This book is so hard to describe. Im going to read my blurb for it. It goes like this come which is avoid the day is a marvel, half mad detective story that is also a dream of a memoir. Its a hunt for ghosts, lost manuscripts and the truths hidden behind are symbols. What kerry says loan from a neogothic child from the mountains of vermont to the backwaters of transylvania to the ice fields of the high arctic. Coming out any day now, july 2020 publication. Those are my three. If i could say one more thing before we close, and its sort of like the arts are so in trouble right now because of covid at bookstores are so in trouble. And authors are so in trouble. There are people in worse shape. My wife is an actress and theaters are shut down in chicago and going out of business here but but i want te folks in listening to this to support literati, and also to buy donovan to book and my book. I am the biggest browser. Like i wouldnt buy an event like this but we dont have the ability to browse like we used to. So if you think about buying both of our books, and i insist you buy both of them, please do it now and please do it through literati. We are in a time when we are going to see massive cultural fallout from this thing. Buying my book is not proving that youre fighting that but i just think its really important that we support bookstores can support authors come support the arts. I will do in a man to that by emphasizing literati has been an amazing host threat suspended for many writers and bennett has been the wizard behind the zoom curtain. So thank you for particular to literati. Thanks to literati. Donovan, thanks to you. What an honor to share the computer screen with you and bennett, thank you. And thanks to the huge crowd of people who showed up tonight. Thanks so much. I see so many friends names, its a little intimidating. A big thank you to both donovan and miles. Thanks so much for stopping by joining us. Thank you to all of your help for tuning in. We had 60 60 people tonight, ts fun. I wouldnt be able to fit you alter in my apartment but i can fit you in this zoom meeting so thrilled exciting to get to welcome you all. Hopefully we will be seeing you again soon but otherwise have a good night, stay safe and stay well. Weeknights this month were featuring booktv programs as a preview of whats available every weekend on cspan2. Tonight with focus on covert operations. That starts at 8 p. M. Eastern. Enjoy booktv this week and every weekend on cspan2. You are watching booktv on cspan2, every weekend with the latest nonfiction books and authors. 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