Transcripts For CSPAN2 In Depth 20th Anniversary Commemoration 20240712

Prom and i was the equivalent of a freshman at the university and i came home at 2 00 oclock at night and the light was on americas and the war. Why did i touch you so much. What did that mean for you. I did not cry then. How old were you. I was 18. The late author john lucas, indepth was born 20 years ago, since 2000 over 230 nonfiction and fiction authors over time have appeared on indepth, Freedman Alice walke walker, bob woodward, george will, just to name a few. Over the next three hours our goal is to review the last 20 years of indepth but also to ask you a couple of questions, here they are, who was your favorite indepth guest, what book are you reading now and who is your favorite Nonfiction Author, that is what we will be talking about and showing the video from the past 20 years as well but here is how you can dial in on the 20th anniversary of indepth, 202 7488200 for those of you in the mountain in the Eastern Central time zone 202 7488201 if you live in the mountain and pacific time zone and you can text in what your thoughts are as well 202 7488903. Again text number only 202 7488903, please include your first name and your city if you would, also on social media booktv for facebook, twitter an instagram you can also make a comment on those platforms. We will begin taking those calls in just a minute, john lucas was the first guest in the house every six of 2000, the same year in 2000 richard rhodes, William F Buckley junior, milton freedman, Stephen Ambrose and arthur enter junior, all appeared, he was one of the guests, heres a portion. The heart of aristocracy is the school, this is an interesting example, use the example of bush, i wouldve gone to harvard had i not chose the army instead. The schools are what control the opinion of the children of the rich or powerful i had a stepbrother who is going to inherit my money and he was sent to groton, its one of the schools and for those who would be rich to make them not only to gentlemen scholars but to serve values hoping in a comeback to david this is how its formed in the ruling class, they know what theyre going to get in political training but their view of the world would be, i belong to the ruling class but im not going to inherit any money so the bright boys of the ruling class who eventually work for the rich boys and who will become judges, senators, editors, the New York Times and if they are open to it. But we are not properly speaking a member of the ultimate class, thats how its done and thats how they continued. There has always been a move in england where as you point out they know about the upper classes and were not told where the most intelligent upper class of ever seen or least overall they are, nobody knows they are there, then the newspaper in the newspaper doesnt give the game away who really controls what opinion and to be there and never been named they have done marvelous work but nothing is through to the people at large, so they go on and on america appears among them, there are others but by and large its a close corporation. He passed away in 2012, his book includes the United States and lincoln for the next three hours we are taking your calls on these topics, what are you reading, whos your favorite indepth guest and whos your favorite Nonfiction Author 202 7488200 for those of you in the eastern and central time zone 202 7488201 if you live in the mountain and pacific time zones and you can text in your answer as well include your first name and city 202 7488903. It was in 2001 that fiction author Toni Morrison appeared and shes the poet surprise winner author of beloved, heres a little bit from Toni Morrison. How do you get inside these people. It is difficult but i use actors and actresses use you try to make it specific so you realize and you want to be in that persons head if youre on stage where the close, where the shoes, behave the way that person would so you have to enter and project and where they parked their hair and what kind of soap they would wear, what food they dont like, whether or not it appears in the book you try to imagine all of those things and that works for me, i cannot suspend, i dont judge my characters that way whether i want to have lunch with them or not its something quite different but you have to love them for the moment of their portrayal whether they are men, women, old, children, what have you. Are they sprung or do they develop. As you sit down and this book comes out to you already know the story youre going to tell. I frequently know the questions of the story its the answer but im provoked as i was five what my stay feel like were paradise to hear about those people who walked all that distance to get to the three black towns that were turned away by black people who had also been enslaved like them and they are not welcome there, i thought my god what would that feel like, i know what the story is about i sort of know the journey now i have to find out whos going to work that out for me. Margaret garner i did not want to know too much, what she look like et cetera i wanted to invent her which only means a few strokes to start and then i put them together so they are never fully realized immediate immediately, they always take currying in codling and stroking a personal introduction in anything i can do to get them to speak and trust me. Along with Toni Morrison in 2001 norman also appeared, Toni Morrison was on in february, james mcpherson, shelby, Richard Burke kaiser, David Halberstam and david macola all appeared in 2001, just one note when it came to richard he started the show but the war in afghanistan started that day so we had to cut it short, we brought him back for a later date hes one of the few that ever appeared on the program twice, mark in kansas city missouri, which of those three questions did you want to answer, favorite author, what are you reading or favorite indepth guest. Caller my favorite author is mary roach, i have most of her books. Host did you watch her when she was on indepth. Caller yes and ive also replayed it on your website a couple of times because youre very entertaining, i like the way her books have the oneword title but ive emailed her and shes email me back, she was a very good guest, very good author. Host thank you for calling in, lets talk to david in louisville kentucky, david good afternoon. Caller good afternoon and thank you for indepth, i want to answer the question about one of my reading, im reading a book called twilight of the gods by ian w toal, it talks about the conclusion of the american effort against the japanese in world war ii, we recently had the 75th anniversary and i find it to be an excellent book. Host we have covered him on book tv, did you see when he appeared . Caller yes i have, i was anxiously awaiting the third volume of his a trilogy. Host is it world war ii that attraction . Caller yes and specifically the specific theater, because of the notoriety of the pearl harbor attack, the surprise that it garnered in the story how it was a difficult task the japanese had all the advantages early on and it took quite an effort to become victorious. Host thank you for calling and david in louisville kentucky. Sometimes we take indepth on the road and it was september 2016 that we went to Hillsdale College and author, right before the president ial election at that point and Dennis Prager was on the program and in fronting i in front of an audience. Is it anyway we can come back the socialism is a utopia that the left is promoting and people of my generation because you and i both know they are systematically disestablishing the america that we love. Thank you and such a nice thing to hear from a millennial but thats exactly what is happening, that is factual that is not opinion, they are undoing what the founders meant to do but there is one simple answer aside from all the other arguments that i gave, socialism bankrupt the country, this country will be bankrupt and the bill will fall on you and frankly have no pity for you because your generation both democrat, therefore since im a big believer in consequences that is what children should learn i have 0 pity for millennials who vote democrat for when the tab that the debt that they believe in by voting democrat comes to the generation, i will perhaps be gone or i will have my fine retirement account, has no effect on me but it will go bankrupt just like greece, just like portugal, just like italy, just like spain, just like venezuela and we will to and we will be a borderless country because the left wants borderless countries just like with the schengen rolls in the European Union they do believe importers because they dont believe in national identity, itll be a country called the United States between canada and mexico but itll not be any different from canada or mexico, that is the last drink so this will all happen to you, you will read about a once great country that existed but you helped dismantle because you, thin thao the indoctrination in high school and college voted for, that is my message to millennials, nonpity message. Host that was Dennis Prager in september of 2016 on indepth, all these programs are available to watch in their entirety, lets talk to carol and Prince George virginia, carol good afternoon, which of those three questions do you want to enter. The one i want to answer about my favorite interview on indepth, it was the year the indepth did the year of ficti fiction, i am a super fan of davids and i thought it was an engaging, really involved interview and i just appreciate it so much. Host you still read him in the Washington Post. Caller i do and every time i get a little lonely i go on the archives and watch the interview on indepth again and i speak all but one of his books and i follow him wherever i can, i think hes an amazing careful purse ice, thorough author whether its fiction or reporting. Host is at the topic of National Security that interest you . Yes in particular interested in intelligence in the work of the cia, i dont have any professional background, im a retired lawyer but ive always been fascinated by it and i think he does a job dispassionately but respectfully relating what the work of the cia and other intelligence agencies are in terms of protecting us nationally. Inner foreign policy. Thank you for calling and we will look at those fiction authors that we did i believe in 2018 that we dutifully are fiction authors and we will look at some of those as we go if you cannot get through on the phone line and you want to text your message or social media your message 202 7488903, please include your first name and your city and just remember booktv is or handle for facebook, twitter an instagram. Shelby foote was one of the authors that appeared in 2001 and in fact we visited his home in memphis. On that deck we talked about that before. Thats the kind that was in post offices and its an absolute nightmare, its an odd thing to do i was lucky i found a whole bunch of points a shop that used to be on 44th street and i bought myself a lifetime supply. What kind of paper would you write on. That is a big problem i dont type on a lot of paper and is not the way used to be. I have a problem with paper. With this i have in mind. Misdemeanor scripture shiloh and at the end of each day i read the final corrected draft and put it on the stack and type it up on the printer. Host is its original or the copy. That the final days copy each day i would do what ive done that day. You got up on the shelf how many of your original. Last season shiloh, jordan county is not up it goes up in september. You have any idea how valuable those are. Notes. What are you going to do with them. Leave them to my son. What are some of the things that you have on the back of your desk. Some favorites of mine. [inaudible] a Birthday Party when i was 11 years old. I thought it was one of your favorites. Absolutely. Use an irish immigrant, he became a lawyer in helena and was interested because he was a corporal and hes a marvelous gentleman and he was killed in the last year the work. Can we get a closeup on the board, you mentioned him even earlier. He was born four years into the century buddies is modern today as he was riding, we had a tremendous influence, all short story writers influence for the good. Walker and i tried to figure out how he does these things, we could never figure how he did it. Shelby foote passed away four years after the interview in 2005, guilt tweets and from dubuque iowa, im currently reading cast the origins of her discontent by Isabel Wilkerson, i highly recommended she writes, Isabel Wilkerson now appears in a q a program on sunday night and on booktv as well, all available at booktv. Org, just type your name in the search function at the top of the page, ashland virginia, good afternoon welcome to book tv. Caller good afternoon, thank you so much for taking my call i was time to do by the earlier call from the woman who was looking at the Government Agencies like the cia, i had quite a bizarre life and i would love to share my name if i can because she is a veteran changing my world from the dining room table with the heartbeat of america and im also a whistleblower as a frontpage wall street journal article it can be seen on the internet but i was written up and it triggered an investigation that eventually led to the resignation and i also had some interaction with highlevel cia operative with the kgb of russia and has some very interesting that i have discovered with him and a lot of other things, i even share common background with the president in office to unite the people of the country properly but im not going on the ego trip that the president is on and we will still reach out to unite the people of this country properly and the secret Government Agencies have to be more transparent and empower the people of the freedoms that we had. What was the name of the bo book. Caller the kgb the eyes of russia offered by harry. Host thank you, sir, john and hutchinson kansas, good afternoon. Caller yes, of a question, maybe you are so many can answ answer, on tv i watch and in the newspapers everywhere they talk about russia interfering our elections, china interfering with our elections and this goes on and on and on but nobody says a word, they all say foreign governments should not interfere with our election in any way shape or form, i go to channel late. Host john im going to interrupt you, were talking about books today in our 20th anniversary of indepth, anything in the book world that you want to comment on. No i listened to television and recent newspaper. Thank you, sir i appreciate your call. Brent in new york, good afternoon, what are you reading whos your favorite author and you have a favorite indepth program of the past 20 years. Caller ive been reading this book, i cannot remember the authors name but its truman. Host is that the new one without be the author. He has a new one out on dewey defeats truman. Caller pretty interesting book, truman did have a second term after he won, is this question about the favorite author nonfiction. Host if you have a favorite fiction author you want to bring up, go ahead. Caller it would be Thomas Berger, hes not real well known but is written about 18 or 20 novels, use 89 died in 2014 and anyways hes only known for one book, it was Little Big Man and some people say hes not so wellknown because these work to different donya, its all fiction but he said detective novels contemporary stuff and he also wrote a takeoff on king author and hes known for the english language, nobody writes like that guy. Host where you get your books, the library, online, the bookstore. Caller online and the library, Thomas Berger somebody said his stuff proves fiction is stranger than true, there is nobody like the guy, i got on the site one time and says if you like this author youll like so i said Thomas Berger and i entered his name, tom dileo came up so ive a book by tom and it was like white noise. Host is in a specific genre, intelligence, National Security, suspense. Caller i dont even know, i started to read and it was unreadable, the point is nobody writes like this guy. Host thank you for calling in, and 2002 our guests included cornell west, tom clancy, peggy noonan, robert, David Herbert donald, howard sims, edward orris, george will and bob woodward in our first guest of 2003 was phyllis and heres a portion of her thought. Remember kennedy was assassinated in late november of 63 and i was that time the president of an Illinois Federation republic of women and i had a whole series of republican speeches scheduled beginning in december and it seemed inappropriate to give the standard antidemocratic speech so i worked up a new speech called how political conventions are stolen starting with the first week in december of 1963 and they gave up january and february of the story how the wrong establishment had offered to conservatives and the domination like thomas dewey and by march i realize i put in a book and influence the convention, it was a whirlwind year, i wrote on my typewriter at night at home and they published if you go to a publisher it will take them two years to get their act together and we needed it in 64, that is a little publisher i set up to produce his book so i sent it off to the printers in march and 25000 copies arrived at my garage on april the 30th and i typed out a one page letter that said dear fran, please read this book today and by enough copies to send to your delegates to the 1964 Republican National convention. In the type to stencil in those days and in the basement i went down and put the stencil on the round thing and i sent out 100 letters the only advertising i ever did in one of the letters was read by a friend in california who called up and said i read them, im going to convention this week in united republicans in california with 5000 copies and i loaded them up at my Station Wagon and took them to the airport and set them out there and that we can reinstate wide distribution in california and the california primary was the first week in june and we sold over a half million copies between the first of may and the first of june in california. Where did the title come from, the minute i heard it i knew that was it. Host gus is calling in from chicago, good afternoon, what are you reading, whos your favorite author, your favorite indepth program of the past 20 years . Caller great to be on the program, longtime viewer, first time caller, currently i am reading two books im reading an illustrated guy to the Mueller Report from idw publishing stephen an is the illustrator, m reading a fiction novel at a snails pace from gary jennings, it is basically the times of an orphan during the early biking. That kind of nice kind that north, one of the best authors regarding criticism of the insiders and me middle east, i highly recommend and my favorite, its like asking favorite child but any favorite is chris hedges, love his show, a great journalist and author. A good interview show. A close second is tom hartman, great men with a lot of college no spin. Gus, what would you due in sidewalk . I work as an election judge. I work in campaigns. Long story shorts was studying engineering before trump get elected and when that happened i decided to do everything any power to make trump a oneterm potus. So i work on Chris Kennedys gubernatorial campaign, a gentleman named fit keyingy, a tax assessor, beat the incumbent. Im a member of refuse in chicago, member of moms demand actioning, moms rising, im not a parent but a member of a couple of indivisible chapters and im walking my dog 50 miles a day which is my im 100 pounds lighter. Thats gus in chicago. Thank you for your time. Le it was in 2002 that one of our fiction authors appeared and this is tom clancy. How often does an author come out with his first book and have a best seller . Guest i really dont know. Im not the only person this has happened. To its reasonably rare. Ill be the first person totle you i get extremely lucky. Want to hear the whole story how is happened . In the the book came out in october of 1984. The hunt for red october. And in november of that year, a gal at the times was retired marine colonel, since deceased unfortunately. And he wanted to get a copy of the book for his friend in argentina. He was too cheap to buy one. A certain lady was heading down to argentina, nancy clark reynolds, one of this Public Affairs people who really does know everybody. So asked if nancy would take the book to argentina with her. Its a long flight from miami to buenos aires and he read the book on the flight. And she comes home, and she buys a whole case of books, 28 copies, to give to her friended. One 0 her friend was president reagan. He would read two or three books a week when he was president , and he liability the book and started talking about it at the white house. A reporter with time magazine, heard the talk and decided to do a book but me and the book and the president and shazam. Made the best seller risk and im pleased i voted for president reagan. That toes come clancy who passed away in 2014. In 2003 guests on in depth. Phyllis schlafly. Susan sontag. Bernard lewis, harold bloom, noam chomsky. Stanley crouch,on keegan, and doug brinkley. Mike is in lakeside, california. Youre on booktv, hi. How are you doing. How are you. Pretty good. I was just calling to recommend for our fellow citizens a couple book biz gore vidal who you had on several times. The first one is imperial america, and the second one is dreaming war. What is go ahead. Sorry. I like the author and his writing style because it is sort of a he comes from sort of aristocratic political family and has this old world stowickism and tells the truth about unpleasant thinks with that humor and its a nice way to relate that information. Rb, new york city, you are on booktv. Hi. Good morning. Ill start from the top with a book on completing now is very well written and that is the biography of churchill by andrew roberts. All right. My favorite Nonfiction Book and this will lead into the two authors, is the wise men by evan thomas and Walter Isaacson. Now the two authors. Both these gentlemen i know each of them a little bit have written eclectic and interesting books over the years since the wrote the wise men the wise men i talk about all the time with people because the six subjects of the book had a huge influence on American Foreign policy and only one of them was ever elected to office. That was averill harriman. How do you know Walter Isaacson and evan tom marks professionally, personally . Permanently because my sister is an author as well. Britain about Queen Elizabeth. Yep. And ive belong the New York Athletic Club do their Nonfiction Book events, sally has been there, as has evan thomas. Thats right. Sally individualle smith was written sever books on the english monarch okay and is well northern to the booktv audience. R. B. , thank you for calling in. Vince boogaloo osi was the prosecutor in the not 169 manson murder cases and his very famous book, crime book, was helter skelter. Well, he appeared on our program in 2007 and here is a little built from his interview. Who done it . Who done it. Lee Harvey Oswald did it. Perilled. Absolutely. You listed the end of this book, all the conspiracy people who think its a conspiracy. You list all the groups that could possibly be involved basically saying that the whole world would have had to conspire to kill president kennedy. Yeah. You listen to conspiracy theorists every president ial administration has been trying to cover up. You cannot believe oliver stone, for instance, stones movie was one continuous lie. I have to qualify that. He had the correct date, november 22, 1963. Correct victim. The president. Correct city, dallas. Outhunt one continuous light. He he came up with ten groups that were involved0 he thought was involved, had a motive and he had them all involved. Even the kgb and cia, bitter enemies but got together on this one. They you ask me who did . Let me try to summarize for you like i did for time magazine. They gave me a page on oswalds guilt and i can supplies if youre interested why theres no conspiracy. If we get into the individual conspiracy theories and ask me about the kgb and i conditions you someone we sale what was castro, the right wing . Ill try to summarize it. I learned as a prosecutor you dont have to be art a prosecutor. Common sense that if youre in a scene of a crime, chances are theres not going to be any evidence at all pointing towards your guilt. Why . Because your innocent. Because of the nature of life, the unaccount ability of certain things, now and then a piece of evidence will point towards your guilt. Even though youre innocent and an extremely unusual rare situation, maybe even two, three pieces of evidence, strong evidencepoint towards your guilt even though youre innocent. in case becauseow asked me who dun it, everything points toward lee harvey as worlds guilt. In the book i set forth 53 separate pieces of evidence pointing towards oswalds guilt and under the circumstances, it would not be humanly possible for oswald to be innocent, at least not in the world in which we live. You can hear me, dawn tomorrow, not in that world. Only in a fantasy world can you have 53 pieces of evidence points towards your guilt and still be independent. That was Vince Buie Lee osi from 2007. He passed away in 2015. In 2004 heres our list of gets. Thomas fleming, victor davis hansen, margaret mcmillan, neil figure southern, harold holzer, for his mcdonald, sign mon win chelsea at the and then on november 5, angela davis, and then the late tom wolfe in december. 40 of to the us a authorize we just showed you are still active and writing. Mike in gaithersburg, maryland, texts in, my favorite in depth author, interview, was david mccullough, a former pittsburgh native is was special to hear but his career and learn how he writes and approaches his subjects. Best wishes for another 20 years of in depth. Mike and gaithersburg. We appreciate that. Well in 2007 it was gingrich insure Newt Gingrich who was our author, prolific author who has written several books. This program, this section from 2007 is a little different. Well explain it afterwards. Le i feel theres a continuum we start over here with the sound bite and build it up and then you end up over here with a become or dvd. Think in the continuum we are in one of those fascinating periods of dramatic change where we could potentially have an enormous dialogue in the country and i think you have something from second life we did good didnt. An example of how i see this stuff is all going evolve over the next five or ten years. For some of 0 you whole concept of a avatar will be a new one. Let explain how this works. Let me just say, these are some of the teething pains of learning a new technology. I regard second voices, second life, as the beginning of a very different kind of system but thats what you see. People from all over the world, come together and can be together and share ideas, and i think that its very important to look at how this technology is going to evolve. Second life in many was this first excelsful manifest station of an idea known as the mehta verse, a virtual word inhabit by real pipe was pioneered in Science Fiction novels. The first intellectual treatment of the meta verse is at a teacher by trade im delighted to teach a workshop near second life but im not the first to do so. Harvard Law School Professor taught a class last year inside second life about law and the court of Public Opinion and i i think youll find more people engaged in study groups and in work groups in this kind of second life and other kind of metaverbs environments because theyre so effective. That was 13 years ago, an early version of an avatar. You can see how far technology has come in the last 13 years. Sarah mccool, mississippi, hi, sarah. Hi. Im calling from vicksberg, mississippi. Yes, maam. I look forward to watching chops cspan2 every weekend specially the first sunday of the month so toe so who the latest author will be. Well, ill tell you, right now im reading sarah, can you hit the mute on your tv . Were getting the feedback. Im sorry. Turn the volume down. Yes, maam. Here we go. All right. My Favorite Book of nonfiction is coming of age in mississippi by ann moody. I think she wrote her memoir in 1968, and its the only book that ive read twice. My Favorite Book of fiction is song of solomon by tony morrison. Now, i know you have had tony on several times, but i dont recall you ever having ann moody on. Do you recall if she was ever on in. No and if her book came out in 1968, you say . Yes, sir. Booktv started in 1998, and perhaps she had passed by that point, or was not active as a writer. No. I think she passed maybe two years ago. Oh, okay. I thought maybe you may have just had her on as one of your shows. The producer is looking it up bit i dont think ann moody does not ring a bell. We have limited over the years we stayed with nonfiction. That would have been a very appropriate book given the title to have on. Right. Its required reading here in mississippi for Junior High School students. Its a great book. Now, are you a teacher i recommend it. Are you a teacher. Not, just a book person. I love books. What sitting on your table right now . Okay. I have a lot of booked on my table. But i just finished reading claudia become, just us. Rankin. , and im presently reading her other book citizen, an american lyric and also reading right now wandering the strange lands, a daughter of the great migration reclaims her roots by morgan jerk kins. I have seen her on your program. Claudia rankin has been on as well recently. I think she was on last week or week before i believe. Did you pick up those books prior to seeing them on boost. Im a book i was book seller years ago, but i still get the new york review of books, and also i when id see new authors on your program and it sounds interesting, i will order. I believe in patronizing independent book stores, and the one that i usually order my backs from is square books in oxford, being nixon. Muss the it for now. Lot of history in vicksburg, mississippi. Ever read any Historical Books about the civil war, especially the attack on vicksburg and the battle that ahead there. Right. Right now im trying to think of the authors name. I cant think of it right now. He did do a book on vicksburg. Is it hoffman . The gentleman who wrote mississippi and africa . And theres another guy who just passed away, also wrote forest gump and did a book on vicksburg and i apologize, im blanking on his name. He u. S. E passed away. He did. Hes written a book on vicksburg. Thank you for watching. Janet. Hello. Delaware. High. Janet . We need you im here. You have to hit the volume on your tv. Turn it off. Okay. Ive turned it down, the volume, yes. Thank you. All right. What are you read being who is your favorite author, who have you enjoyed watching on booktvs in depth program. Well, actually the book im presently reading is not the book im calling about. Im presently reading isabelle wilkersons caste but she doesnt address in this book she didead in the the warm of other sons the subject im rafaely reading about in three other books and thats the ghetto and i wanted to mention my Favorite Books. Im africanamerican, and i was born im 80 years old, born and lived never ghetto until i was able to escape it because you have to escape the ghetto. But the book the first book i read that really was like a bible to me in explaining to me the construction and persistence of the ghetto and that was book that was written in 1993 by massey and denton, american apartheid, segregation and the making to the underclass and ill never forget one of the sentences, one of the statements they made in the book and it was that it was about when black people moved into predominantly white communities. Massey and denton say that when that happens, white people must have somewhere they can go where blacks cannot follow. Now, after that happens and i experienced it, the powers that be then will make a community that you moved into theyll make that then a ghetto but the other two books i wanted to mention, the second one was written in 2009 by barrel sadder, a professor at princeton university. She wrote a book called family properties, and what really struck me in that book was the idea that when blacks when the fda would not give the fha wouldnt get blacked mortgages we had to buy houses on contract, and the contract was held by a realtor or the opener of the house, and the stipulations of the contract were such that you never could pay off the contract, and so you lost the house, and then they sold it to another black under the same kinds of circumstances. And then the third book is one written in 2016, ghetto, the invention of a place the history of an idea, another princeton professor, michael dunny. Im particularly interested in the subject of the ghetto because i see it as a pillar of race in america, a pillar of race emblem matic of the idea that the ghetto is where blacks belong and they can only get out of the ghetto if we manage somehow to escape it through education or opportunities that we might be able to access. So, those are the books. All right, what if youre reading caste now hear wrote comparison win warm of other suns and caste. In in the warmth of other suns, sis a bell taj but the get to the, and in caste, and i just started reading it, and i dont believe she talks about the ghetto so much in this book. The word ghetto is not in the index because she talk but the ghetto. The people who made that great migrant like my parents when they left the sharecropping farms, the remember for plantations of the south and came north, even though initially blacks did not live in what is called the ghetto, certainly by the 1940s, they did. All right. Where do your parents begin their life and where did they end up and where were you raised. Excuse me. Where did your parents begin your life and where day theyd enskipped where were you raid. I was bon in chester, pennsylvania. And i lived in the lamoken village project which are no longer there. They were torn down 20 years ago. But the ghetto is where i lived until i was 16 years old, when my parents managed to buy a house mitchell mother my mother and father came from North Carolina and virginia. They had a forth and eighth grade education, and the ghetto was the place that was designated we should live, and even to this day that pillar of race persists. Janet in delaware we appreciate your time this afternoon. Brian is in ooscoda, michigan, hi, brian. Hi. Good morning good afternoon. Time change. I was reading woodwards book and i have to be honest i have about through it but the thing but woodward well, know his history but he does the same thing thats going on a lot over the past decade or two, is all these socalled sources and they really dont have sources. So i wonder how we allow this to happen continually . Have you read any of Bob Woodwards 20 or so other books . No. This the first one. Ive seen him around for decades and of course we all know the history of them going all the way back, but the thing of it is, getting back to this is how do we keep allowing this to go on and how guys like woodward and any others benefit from them, when they really dont have sources or, like, this anonymous, he certainly wasnt a high level source but we allow that to go on and they profit from it and you see is in the news. When are we going to get back to real journalism instead of calling people journalist. Shouldnt they have chaining in journalism in shouldnt hey understand that theory of journalism . Brian what made you pick up this book . I kept seeing it so much and million profiting off of it. Had to go take a look at it. Its the same thing that goes on and i did i dont want this to be about me but i worked in Naval Intelligence about when if see things like this so blatantly going on, i feel like im back in europe where they have blatant propaganda, and propaganda is entered into america. Thats what were dealing with now. Thats why were fighting all the time with each other. Because were not making these writers, whether its woodward or many others, without having sources, that they can verify, and they can prove to you they have verified them, they should be not they should not be able so cite these people. Its hurting our country. All right, brian, well leave it there. In 2005, in depth would in it fifth year, here were at the authors, gary wills, charles murray, helen cal decot, from moose friedman, hw brands, william moon, harvey mansfield, from harvard, sherwin new lane, Doris Carnes Goodwin and john up dike was our guest. In 2013 other caller referenced this author also earlier, that mary roach who often is very humorous in her writing appeared on the program. Heres a portion of that. I tried to find my dish didnt care somebody had done it in space. I just wondered had anybody do it in zero gravity, and so i thought, theres all this commercial flights, sorrow graft flights and corporations and i called them and the guy said nasa is contractor of ours, if that got out wed stand to lose a lot of money so, no, he said no. But of course hes going to say no. So, im guessing maybe one of the staff at the zero gravity corps might have done that. After hours, there are flights that its just one of the early flights working out the kinks. I dont know. But nobody is owning up to it. Your research on the topic included locating porn star. Yes, sylvia saint, i believe it was. There was supposedly this trilogy called the urnaser and yes. And there was a scene shot in zero gravity, a plane that does the pair aboutic flights you have 20 second offed zero gravity so you could and i called i tracked down the producer of the uranus experiment and he lives in spain and we had a expurges he said, we definitely did. That not zero g and he said ill send you a link to movie and he went on and on and said we he said he have time share on a Corporate Jet and we got the pilot to do that flight. I said really, pilot to do a sore re gravity flight . Thats extreme. The said we had to check theland thoroughly afterward and make sure they were i okay and had a lot of detail and i thought, okay. And then i downloaded the uranus experiments and im the only person who fastforwarded through the porn to get to the scene if got to the skeen scene and zero gravity and if you know anything about zero gravity you can tell this is fake because her pony tailing is hanging down. Her pony tail is would normally be floating in zero gravity and its hanging down and other parts of her anatomy are similarly not buoyed by zero gravity. There should be no hanging down in zero gravity there we about no hanging down and there was in this movie. All they were doing, their legs were hid son theyre standing behind a sofa going up and down and trying to look like they were, and thats one shot, the money shot this, just flint it sideway so it looked like theyre floating. It was fake. That was mary roach in 2013. Tom in palm harbor, florida. Hi, tom. Hi. What are you reading your favorite author you favorite in depth guest. My favorite author is howard zen and ive read all of his book, peoples history of the United States, disobedience and democracy, the student nonvote lent coordinating committee. His first book was his ph. D thesis on governor la guardia in new york. Certainly a return up for great history book is your recent guest, jill la pore. Ive read 0 cowl couple of her books. Think these truths is a really fantastic book and right now im reading a book i dont know if he has been on, his name is larry tye, its called demagogue. He has written many books. Ive read another of his books about average phillip randolph. This book it bows senator joe mccarthy, fantastic book. I them it just came out in the last month or two, didnt it. Yes. I believe we have either covered it or he is going to be on shortly and but, yeah, thats one that i think we have covered that. I think we covered. Also been on interviewed on pbs news by judy woodward. Yeah, but if you go to booktv. Org and type in at the top of the page, search function. Die that all the time. If you type in tye book it should appear. I did check. Im quite sure he has been on but thank you for watching and thank you for calling calling i. Curtis, vancouver, washington. Hi. Hello. I wanted to remind you the name you were overlooking was Forrest Gumps author is winston grove. I would particularly recommend hips 1942 but the history of the world. A lot of behind the scenes things going on. I had a chance to meet him once at the southern festival of book inside nashville, just a very delightful person to meet. So that was a lot of fun. Inenjoyed your clips of tom clancy. Have you ever had Victor David Hansen on. Yes, he has been 0dirks. What is about dr. Hansen that attracts you . Well, his insight, his classical education and the history from the greek and roman era. One of his books had what the impact was longterm of particular battled, the battle where socrates survived or the battle of okinawa where the americans learn to be just as brutal as the japanese or the battle of shiloh where the author of benhur backed tracked and made up for itself by writing writing the book benhur. She is still very active author and columnist, a weekly column. I look forward to seeing him on tv, too. He in fact was on our after words program, golly, couple of months ago, and it is a book in support of President Trump that he wrote so i dont know what that does to your opinion. But. Oh, yes, i concur. I had a couple of books to recommend aisle currently reading. Yes. A biography of Samuel Fuller called a third face which has a lot of really very nice insight into his original career as a copy boy at the newspaper in new york, and then on to his career as a documentary and filmmaker. He was really very good at film for, and the other one is other twilight of the gods. Youre the second caller to recommend that. Superb trilogy. Yeah. We have covered that on booktv as well. Another one is james Horton Fisher is good on his pacific war books and Rick Atkinson and his trilogy on the european war were really good. Favorite author growing up was isaac as as si move sasimov. I got some books from reading nero wolf murder mountains by rick stout and the way nero kept his place in the book if he used a special bookmark that was a book i looked up and read and thats of treasure of our tongue about the english language by Lincoln Barnett and African Genesis but the development of humanity from primitive precultural precivilization by Robert Audrey who retired from wright scripts for movies. He wrote the script for khartoum and then decided to you seem to spend a lot of time with books. You have a lot of free time or your hobby . Well, its just what i enjoy doing more than anything else is reading books. Had one whole rook delved camed to a library i had to tear out because my daughter moved in with us and i had to box up the books in the garage. 8,000 books. I have a few on hand for reading, the third face and twilight of the gods and i wanted to rem for civil war buffs the trilogy but u. S. Grant. And captain grant by lloyd lewis who passed away after taking notes and passed his notes on to his subsequent brave biographer and every knows him one great anecdote when grant came back from vancouver, had a time at the post here where he was not very happy because his family was away and he came back to illinois and one day he came into the store in galena in the middle of rain storm, had a day sitting around the pot belly stove, very prominent local lawyer who said you look like hell and grant says, i sure feel like it. And he says, the guy at the stove says whats it like and grant says, well, same as here. Lawyers closest to the fire. Are you a lawyer by profession. No. Im an arrow space engineer Aerospace Engineer and right now im a substitute School Teacher semi retired and a lot of time too read books. We appreciate your time on booktv. Carolyn in in iowa is reading janet conin book. And the irregulars, and the british spy circle in washington, has appeared on boost post several times. Booktv several times of. Glen na in humble, texas. Hi. Hi. I wanted to call attention to the book grant by ron chernow as well as his book on alexander hamilton. A lot of people today dont like booked that are that long but i find his books just hard to put down once you start. Theyre so well done. Theyre so well documented. I really appreciate that in the current climate of people playing fast and loose with information. The other writer i really enjoy and would recommend to anybody is Richmond Brook brookhiser and his book, give me liberty, is an excellent thing to read right now. Goes back to a time period that has been under attack and follows the real origins of the founders early beliefs and its just not a long book, its but so worth your time. Thank you for calling in. Glenda in hump bell, texas, and mr. Brookhiser has appeared on booktv several times and a year ago so back we did an interview with he historian Richard Brook highser who write Ford National review, and his wife, jennie safer and she wrote a book how to the along with for your friends and neighborhood politically if you dont agree on politics. And we interviewed them in their apartment in new york and you can watch that online at booktv. It was in 2002 on one of his many appearances on booktv and cspan that this gentleman appeared on in depth. Heres a portion. As i matured it was really anton chekov and john coltrane. How do the intersect . Well, when you listen to john coal trains love supreme, that brings together the spirituality and genuine doubting, and spiritual and genuine giving and serving, its that sewcratic questioning and that profound love, compassion loving kindnessout gut out of the rich judaic tradition and the christian tradition and coltrane takes it to such high level in terms of musical genius and with kole transcribe with chekov you do not have poet in prose of such profound compassion, grappling with death, disappoint; wrestling with the steady ink of misery, the constant heartbreak of daily life and trying to convince us to keep on. In his blues, his ability, how do you keep keeping on, been down so long, down dont worry me no more thats why i keep keeping on. A wonderful poem. Innovate all there his late at night, and still im losing but still im steady, and unaccusing, pushing no matter what. Thats profoundly chekovian with a level of compassion and love you dont find in two many other artists. Thomas hardy or Toni Morrison to get the fusion of sweetness of mind and toughness of temper in one figure. When did you find chekov. Let me see. First read it when i was 17. Blew my mind. Sel earlies lalledder joining us now is dr. Cor cornel west, listen to that is there anything you would like to add. I just first want to congratulate you, my brother, what force for good you have been, what force for 20 years cspan has been in grim and bleak times. You have been a light so that you have been so kind to me and so many other voices as well, my dear brother, hope you loved ones are strong and safe. Im just blessed to be breathing. Each breath is a breakthrough, each day is a blessing, my brother, almost 20 years later but im still tied to chef consecutive and coltrane and still revolutionary christian tied to a Palestinian Jew named jesus. Cornel west, how many books are you up to now youve written . I dont even count, brother. I guess maybe 20, 21, Something Like that. But its not a matter of the quantity, its a matter of the quality of the words on the payment and you hope those words can help somebody unsettle some minds and power some slows and try to heal some hearts in the best way that we can. And the actions we do and finite lives we live, my brother. Are you working on a book now . Yeah. Ive government these different lectures in scotland comping and its on catastrophe, catastrophe of public intellectuals. Made his way through the various monasteries with the brother and sistering of common life and became the first great public intellectual in modern europe tied toy Printing Press and goes from irrasmus to Toni Morrison, my brother. A lot of towering figures in between. The daled humans and the Matthew Arnolds and the rabbi and the susan sontag and the mayor culminating with Toni Morrison and some coltrane as well. A little due boys. Dubois. Its going to be the next big book but at the moment we have to get through the election and see if any democracy will be left. A ive read a treatment of the american empire in decline, military overreach, corruption of elite, not just republicans but elites across the board and then the feeling among evidence people they dont have the kind of power required to turn this thing around. We hope were not on the titanic or melvilles and the confidence man. All of those ships that just were going under because we lost access to the best of our past. Unable to mobilize the kind of resources and sources, spiritual, moral, as well also political, and civic that can keep a very fragile experiment in democracy alive. I think thats where we are now, my brother, this bank tholed the life of the mind is city at work, cspan2, is indispensable, always insufficient because we have to he courageous citizens and loving human beings but its indispensable because all of news some ways that were laboring under certain frameworks, certain lens through which we look at the world and that comes from the poets, from the thinkers, from writers, from musicians. Shelly is right. The poets the imaged legislators of the world he says. Higher thought. Unapprehend inspiration. The mirrors of the shot doughs of the future shall dough owed the future cast on the present. Kell she shelly understand we have to be kicked with our past through our ideas, our notifications, our stories, our visions, our narratives, my brother, to intervene on the president and hope to focus on the least of these, the poor, working classes around the world, all cor colors, all genders, all sexual orientations and bins with the genius of he brew scripture. I talked about 18 yearsing a, that steadfast love, that loving kindness this orphan and widow and motherless and fatherless and those rendered invisible that is the covenant that god makes with israel. With jews and it sets the standard for everybody including israel, including jews. What are you doing for the least of these . What are you doing to to the who are dominated and open 5. Moral and spiritual standard thats greater than all of us and no one of us ever possessed that kind of truth but we can be in quest of that kind of right and know you know what im talking about baas it relates toown family and community. That intellectual humility we see a deeply concerned moore muhammad trying to bring together different people who are at each others throats and hes trying to create some kind of peace, requireing a mercy that goes beyond justice. Absolutely. But its hard to believe, man, 18 years later. My soul looks back and wonders hough i got our bless told be alive, man. Now, three years ago, you were on in depth again. The brother robby. Brother robby. Rather. You and robby thats right. Robby george, absolutely. Thats the truth. We had a great time. We didnt have a book, though. We had maybe a jointly written reflections on truth seeking at that time that we had put out. Put out another one of the need for honesty and courage, just recently, but we had a magnificent time on your show, man. Trying to hold up to the best of our identity, man ore integrity, honest decency, generosity to others. Anytime you talk about your identity, racial out, gender identity, whateverrity you have, it got to be root net integrate and solidarity with those across various nations and colors. So the moral and the spiritual standards that we all fall short of but the moral and spiritual standards must always be highlighted. Are you going tend to up with massive spirit to all decay and thats part of what were dealing with right now, my brother. That was just to tell our audience if anywhere not as familiar, Robert George is a professor at print princeton and an author and unwere cornel wests best friends and happens to fall on the conservative side of the political spectrum, it. Heels my dear conservative brother witch weesle and engage each other wrestle with each other and have a love innovate reducible by politics, very deep and profound frondship and brother hood not reduced to agreement on pock policy but acknowledgment we can revel in each others humanity when we have deep political disagreements and thats also an understanding of the different between deep love and justice, any justice, only justice, soon degenerates into something less than justice if its not grounded in something morrow found than justice. Thats ryan hes right. You can love somebody and also have very deep political disagreements but if its only about justice and you heat a incarcerateover selfrighteousness and live in your own silo and unable to really make the humane and human contact with folk that you have disagreemented with. We already understand this in terms of our own family, thanksgiving dinner you sid around the table you love 2008 have some disagreement with aunts and unicelles moms and dads and brothers and sisters but you still take a bullet for. The. Thats the love that injured girds undergirds serious talk about justice. We have political foes. No doubt that drilled for me is a political foe no doubt. But i dont want to lose sight of his humanity and i dont want to lose sight he made in the image of god the same way im made in the likeness of god. If he did not consent to his gangster like activity and change his life, and acted with integrity, he has that capacity. He could do it if he really wanted to but he chooses not to. As long as that image of god and as long as that choice we have to be different to go another way to be better, you dent ever want to lose sight of that when youre engaging human beings. I learned you hate the sin but can try to stay in contact with the humanity of the sinner. And if in fact as i also learned in Shiloh Baptist church the kingdom of god is with you and wherever you go you so leave a Little Heaven behind. Our concerns with Indigenous Peoples and black peoples and poor white peoples, our concern with those in libya, show malla, ethiopia, nigeria, thailand, japan, global, international. Thats part of the greatness of the prophetic legacy that every flag for christians ought to be under the cross, for jews under the unnamable, justice, justice thou shall pursue, not just for the group, not just for the ego. For all of those who suffer. These are some of the great moral truths of the species and if we lose sight of that, we end up losing the planet, we end up losing american democracy, we end up losing the best of our selfs. Eugene oneill wrote the greatest play about america and the ice man comeelth. What does it profit to nation to gain the whole world and lose its soul. Thats eugene oneill. Thats on the irish side of town. Thats vanilla. His literary genius. All right, dr. West, its a flour see you virtualry flour see you virtually. Look forward to seeing you in person. Thank you your time here on in depth. Take care. Congratulations, brother, stay strong. Goodbye. This text message from leslie in pittsburgh, favorite guest was Colson Whitehead on our year in fiction which was in 2018. We did a 12 fiction authors autd Colton Whitehead was a guest. In 2006 our guests are ron power hes, taylor branch, francis, shelby steele, mark bowden, joyce, gary, tammy bruce. And president jimmy carter. Will it was in march that Francis Fukuyama was on in 2006. Heres a portion. Youre also interested in photography. Thats been a much longstanding hobby of mine i started when i was a kid, and i gave it up for about maybe 1520 years but then the digital age hit and i ive been doing it now i think for ten. I travel a lot so i always take a camera wherever i go, but i got interested in being able to control lighting and doing more studio type work and so ive now gotten fed i have this annual ritual withthe kid. A otrait of them every knee new year so we have clear record what they look like in earlier year he intervals and id like to take picture of my friends because i know some interesting people and would like them to pose in front of my camera but a ive been too busy. Its there is where your do your portrait work. Just the basement, but i can set it up with all of my lights to do portraits. What kind. Camera is this. I love this camera. A rz67. Approveses a big sixbyseven centimeter negative, bigger than a hassle glad and produces the most beautiful High Resolution pictures i then scan into the computer. It produces a 500megabyte stan when youre done and ive taken this to australia. Its not an easy camera to use but its incredibly flexible and produces really beautiful pictures. How long have youline using this camera. I think ive had it four years. I have another medium forat that i use for travel photography but i have a collection of nikons and other things. Im afraid the digital revolution is going to make these cameras objects because the residence obsolete because the digital you can get an 0 pro digital slr is up to this level but ill be sad because the film they make for medium format cameras are beautiful. Just at the moment theyve perfected it, all of that will end. How does the processing work . Just get a negative and then you manipulate the digital scan it. I have medium format scanner and i scan a slide or negative into the futurer and then photo shopped from there used to have a i did black and white. Even did color darkroom work for a while but the computer makes that so much easier these days. Its kind of you feel kind of bad all these skills that people developed to darkroom skills like anselm adams. Ansel adam, he took 25 years to get the print he felt happy with exon fortunately it is easier all of that effort and that craftsmanship you lose when you move to computers and digital. One of Francis Fukuyamas best known book is the end of history and the last man. He is still in the virginia area. Still writing. And that was a visit we took to this house in mclean, rich hall went out there with him and did that for many years for booktv, traveled to authors homes. Well show you couple more of those of today. Tariq in tucson youre on booktv. I Favorite Book, Nonfiction Author, what are you reading and have you had a favorite in depth guest . Well, my favorite become of all time is the autobiography of malcom x, and because ive read that when i was a kid, nine or ten years old, was my First Library book that inspired me to continue to read. But listening to cspan and just the wonderful author outside have across the board, i have very diverse background of reading by my career has been education, ive been in education, my 40th year and ive been an assistant principal for 22 years it and really moved me when he talk to the lady delaware because im originally from wilmington, delaware and went to wilmington high school, graduated and played College Football and ended up in tucson. One book the was talk tut ghetto, im reading the book called the color of law, by Richard Rothstein and thats a very interesting book. Really kind of talking about the things she talked about. I had the pleasure of meeting dr. Cornel west, i was one that was selected to ask him a question. And i was reading a booktv, democracy matters, one of my Favorite Books and he was trying to get me inspired to go to princeton and finish my doctorate which never finished, and im reading a book, one of your favorites, beginning again, by professor eddie clark. He is a princeton guy. Dabbling with that. One of my favorite historyanses is president ial historian professor meacham. One of my favorites. I have a crosssection of things. I like how cornel west talks bow the news today as form are entertainment. They present, and you just have to read between the lines and know what is what. But all the people that you had on today, i admired every one you had on. I read her book and im reading a new book in search of the voices redefining latino identity. I just kind of go backandforth. A big one of my favorite people she had on was doctor dyson. I have several of his books, so i enjoy that kind of reading, also . Host with cornell west, its what you see what you get with him. Yes. Host i wont zero you. We sure miss going down to tucson, for that wonderful book festival put on at the university of arizona. Have you been to that in the past . Caller i go every year and a try to pick up a couple of the books. Host we have covered it for the past 10 years or so. Of course, this year it didnt happen, but we look forward to going back down. March is a nice time to be in tucson after a long winter. Caller its beautiful. Host thank you for your time. We appreciate it. He mentioned a couple of historians, another historian who appeared and is is still working today from 2001, and this is best selling author and Pulitzer Prize winner david macola. We have video of your home and your writing shed. Guest first of all, its not a shed. Its a real headquarters. Thats our home on music street in massachusetts, in village in the center of the island of Marthas Vineyard. House is part of it is 18th century, part 19 century, part 20th century and thats the back porch looking out over the acre that we own with the gardens and a nicer reach back to bordering on to a neighboring farm which has been in the same family since the island was settled and this is an effect my walk to work. Thats where i work right there. It measures 12 by 8 feet with the windows on all four sides and i absolutely love it. Has about 800 books in their and my faithful typewriter on which i have worked now since about 1965. Every book i have ever written on that old typewriter and theres really nothing wrong with it. Its example of a beautifully made american machine. Probably has 750,000 miles on it and it runs perfectly. Host have you written every word in john adams in this room . Guest yes. Part of it was written in charlottesville when we lived there for the better part of the year when i was doing research at the library at the university of virginia, but essentially all of it was written here in that room. Host what kind of date time of day do you write . All day everyday. Im not writing all day. Im reading or correcting what i wrote the day before or going over notes or theres no phone, theres no telephone. Host is their music . Guest no music. There is not nice, but i have my back to the viewsonic tempted by it. Its far enough from the house general washington and some of his soldiers marching along. I hope they show the end of it because there is a night guy at the end of that i identify and hes always thats is a little slow. Hes catching up. Here, you will see him. I look at him, and hes my example. There he is. About spell one. Keys always a little behind. Host david macola is published by simon and schuster and president and ceo of Simon Schuster is on your screen now when Jonathan Karp. What has david macola meant . Guest he is the franchise. First of all, happy anniversary. Host thank you. Guest hearing his voice, still such admiration. If david is watching, david, we revere you. We love you and we will be reading you forever, i mean, he has been with Simon Schuster for over 50 years and hes one of the great writers that work today and every time ive had the privilege of reading his work the thing that struck me the most is theres not a wasted word. Hes a careful writer and also the way hes able to find the inspiration in American History is distinctive. I dont know if there is anyone quite like it. Host mr. Karp, can you tell us is he writing a new book now . Guest i sure hope so. Yet to ask his editor. I sure hope so. Host have you been to his shed . Guest i have not been to his shed and in fact hes hard to reach on the because as he said in the interview he doesnt answer the phone. Host twenty years in depth has been on the air. Doris kearns goodwin, bob woodward, naomi mine, all Simon Schuster authors who have appeared on the program. How has the world of publishing in the last 20 years changed annually in two minutes to answer. Guest first of all a lot of those authors are still writing bestsellers and writing books that have a lot of influence and obviously bod bob ward word has had a tremendous impact on the way people are perceiving this president ial campaign, but i guess the short answer is that i think theres obviously more books being sold online. I think in the case of publishing, just like the news a cycle has accelerated and i guess the third thing i would say is i think maybe the nonfiction culture at least in recent years has perhaps taken a little bit of attention away from fiction. Those are the big points i would like to say. Host so, when you planned Bob Woodwards most recent book rage and you talked about the timing. What went into that decision to release in Early September . Guest well, we thought that was when attention would be the most focus on the questions of how the Trump Administration has behaved and conducted itself, but a lot of it depends upon bobs reporting and his own timing and is on schedule. Although we hoped the book would be published in september we werent sure. Got bob kept saying it could be early or later in the reporting is what determines the schedule so although we hoped it would be september nothing was certain until bob was done. When bob was done we moved. Host whats been the effect of the pandemic on the Publishing Industry specifically Simon Schuster . Guest well, its been unusual because for several months we actually didnt publish that many books. When the pandemic began in march, we postponed to several titles that were coming out in april, may, june and then we started to publish more really going into july. Ultimately book sales were up. Of the industry book sales have been up about 6 industrywide. For major publishers. People were home and had time to read, so its turned out to be through all the hardship in the world of suffering for readers its been all right. Host Jonathan Karp, two wellknown in the public seat published the come alex mayhew and carolyn reedys speech you its been year for people in the book Publishing Industry. They are not the only ones who died and just the other day, i mean, it seems as if theres a lot of major people who have passed away this year. Carolyn was our ceo who worked at Simon Schuster for decades and was a great leader. Alice was one of the greatest editors are time and really one of the leading editors of nonfiction and was Bob Woodwards editor and Doris Kearns Goodwin editor and she was working up to her final days. She called me about a week before she died because she wanted to sign up to more books in her work was for life was her life and she made an immense contribution to the Publishing Company as did carol. Host did alex mayhew live a manuscript behind because thats a book everyone would like to read . Guest alex was a deeply private person but we did publish a book about alice. We asked a bunch of her authors to contribute memories of her and we publish that and i think its available free to the public and its a wonderful book of memories and actually it was reviewed quite favorably by the Washington Post. Host mr. Karp, what books are coming out by Simon Schuster that we should be alerted to . Guest well, since you asked, i have one thats out now. I dont know if you can see this, the luckiest man which is an account of his years working with john mccain and i was in tears that end of this book. Its a story wouldnt really be able to get under their way. Mark was senator mccains chief of staff for many years and work with him on his president ial campaign, chief speechwriter, coauthor of seven books with him and so you are seeing john mccain from the most intranet intimate perspective than any politician or legal leader has been seen from and its a story even if you dont agree with mccains politics, this is an honorable man and a man who care deeply about the country and i think its a story regardless of your political ideology you should appreciate, so thats one. There are books we have for the holidays, biography of jimmy carter, terrific accounts of president carters life. Took jonathan about six years to write. We have a book by evan that just came out on joe biden. Evan won the National Book award. s first book on china, a new yorker staff writer and he has gotten hes been covering biden for years and we hope it will be the book that everyone turns to to understand joe biden. Host Jonathan Karp, president and ceo of Simon Schuster and by the way a couple years ago book tv went to the Headquarters Building in new york city of the Simon Schuster and if you would like to watch that two or you can type in Jonathan Karp at the search function at the top. Thank you for spending a few minutes with us. Guest thank you. Host in 2007, on book tvs in depths authors appeared. Dj overwork political humorist. Ehrenreich, alexander cockburn, michael moron, edward wilson, Christopher Hitchens, david horowitz, vince and Newt Gingrich. Dan from massachusetts, good afternoon. Who are you reading, who is your favorite indepth guest and who is a author you would like to recommend . Caller id be glad to tell you, peter. First i went to compliment you on the wonderful job book tv im only been following the last couple years and i find it interesting and educational. I been promoting it to other people. I tell them about how also your authors compliment libraries. I have a couple buddies one fellow was the librarian at the Boston Public Library in these authors say they couldnt have achieved these [inaudible] i dont want to take too much time, but i went to answer your question. I have a number of authors i have listened it to with intensity and i will lead off by telling you i enjoyed their replay you had of William F Buckley. That was phenomenal interview and his books, he wrote so many books i think you said 41. Also enjoyed listening to doctor levine who wrote the fractured republic and the great debate. I thought that was interesting. It cant forget thomas paine and burke and also want to mention doctor ross who was on a few minutes ago, i wanted to talk to him. I think hes a welleducated man and i really enjoyed his presentation of some of his thoughts he wanted to convey to us and i also like tom wolfe. That book was fascinating. , is an interesting guy and im sure you would agree with me. He really brought up an interesting subject how he went on to College Campuses to observe the behavior of the students and whats going on on College Campuses today which i go to Alliance College in the 70s and boy things have changed and it was interesting sharing the view of tom off. I think hes very fascinating and a wonderful writer. Host what do you doing massachusetts . Caller what do i do here . Sure. Id be glad to answer. I ended up getting a degree in social analogy and worked through worked for the commonwealth of massachusetts and also my family has a Small Business and i also did retell work with them. I lectured at college campus, to clergy, at the house of correction, been involved in Community Service and thats why some of your information gives me great background when i talk to other people in one question i went to rescue, peter. Try to answer this. I hope your listeners will probably get something out of this. Did you find any central theme that comes through these authors you had . I would also like to say a number of your authors seem to emphasize the point that theres been a decline in our morality in this country and i think thats a part of the cross with this echoes back to your fractured republic. I think part of the problem is that our country would improve and maybe more people in the secular life would cause the pluralism going on in our Society Today which i think some of your authors refer to a problem we have to face in the future. Host thats a dan in massachusetts. Bobber from the pro detroit text in that in depth should go back to three hours. Thats why its called in depth. I think the last year we put it down to make two hours. 2027488200 if you live in the Eastern Central timezone. 2027488201 for those of you in the mountain pacific and if he went to text in a thought, include your first name in your city 2027488903. Mike from massachusetts. Mike, you are on book tv. Go ahead. Caller good afternoon. I would like to mention probably the greatest Nonfiction Book ever written, the author is long gone. History of the telekinesis of war, probably the first Nonfiction Book written and also probably the greatest nonfiction. Most important fiction book ive ever read was 1984. You can read that book and can see whats going on today. The most important book i ever read. Authors, you had paul johnson on whos very influential with me and finally, thomas sold. I dont know if you have had him on, but hes fantastic and hes written like 40 books or Something Like that. Host paul johnson joins us from london. I remember that interview and i appreciate you calling in. It was in 2009, that a woman named temple grand am appeared. She is someone with autism who designed livestock folder. Big bestselling author and here is just a portion of what she had to say. Host what do you mean when you say you think in pictures could too well, all my thoughts come up as pictures, sort of like google. Instead of asking me an abstract question like thinking in pictures and i see the cover of my book, pretend im googles images and give me a keyword. Dont give me house of cards because most people visualize that or something i can see in this tv studio like the control room or Something Like that. Just give me a noun and i will tell you how my mind searches the database. Host cspan. Guest i see my hotel room with the tv on this morning and i was watching cspan come up at the tv wouldnt turn off so i had other work i do so now i see the Remote Control and im pushing all the buttons and thats how i got from cspan tv Remote Control and had a call the desk and get the Remote Control to work. Now im into like hotel castle file. Host corral. Guest im starting to see many of the facilities ive designed. They start coming up like slides now corral tends to be ranch facilities so icy ranch facilities. If you said the two plants i would see facilities i designed at the meat plant and since that is something thats my business i tended to see my own stuff. Asked me something that would not be my business host book. Guest i see them in the room took you are not being very creative and what you are asking the only way i can explain to you how i think is i have to show you how to associated thinking and it gets off the subject the way a search does on the internet even when you do a verbal search maybe theres two pages of hits on the subject and then its off the subject. Host how many people in the us think like that . Guest there are a lot of visual thinkers that arent necessarily autistic. A lot of dysplastic people, Graphic Design are people, but one thing where im more extreme is when i designed equipment i can actually test run it in my head like a Virtual Reality computer system. I found other designers couldnt do that. I interviewed people about how they think that i was shocked to find out most people didnt think the way i do like for example when they think about Church Steeple i think of that specific ones and where they are located. I put them in the Church Steeple file. Other people get a generalized image. I dont have any generalized images. I only have a specific ones. Host that was temple in 2009, on book tv. This is lisa in toms river, new jersey. I just finished reading parable of the sewer by octavia butler. The book was recommended in a facebook alumni group took it was very wellwritten and i recommend it. Next call is a benjamin in huntsville, alabama. Good afternoon. Whats on your reading list . Caller my favorite in depth author. I dont know if youve heard of him. Host what has he written . Caller well, my Favorite Book of his is called the first and the last freedom. He has written about and huxleys statement about his writing is that the reader will find a clear contemporary statement of the fundamental human problem problem cingular together with an invitation to solve it in the only way in which he can be solved by and for himself. He looks at the fundamental problems as basically read, here and the search for security. Host spell his last name, please. Guest kris letter h letter and letter murti. Host thank you. Ed from ames, iowa. Caller my name is ed re eric from ames, and i read a book not long ago as a result of watching cspan. I dont think it was book tv. I think it was q a with brian lamb called clandestine relationships, a black mans odyssey in the ku klux klan. It was very illuminating book written think in 1998, so im not so sure you interviewed him on book tv, but its a very interesting book that i had there are two kinds of men, those who are ignorant and those who are stupid and he goes on to relate that people who are ignorant tended to do stupid things. But, it was a very illuminating book and i enjoyed it. It was amazing how a black man was able to become very Close Friends with members of the ku klux klan, to the point where they not only trusted each other, but they became very very Close Friends at which point at the end of the book he realizes that his best friend in the ku klux klan has a daughter and he wants their old davis to become his daughters godfather. Host thank you, ed, from ames iowa. Andy from macon, georgia caller to answer your questions on my favorite authors, david macola and goodwin. The reason why i like macola is because he was one of the first to put you there, i mean, im in my 60s so i remember Walter Cronkite tv show called you are there. I remember macola talking about what it was like to be a revolutionary war soldier and trying to get home after the war or if youve got wounded exactly what kind of care would you get, how did you put on your shoes or did you even have matching shoes. He was one of the first to introduce me too that line of thought and i have used that so far to tailor my reading list. Im reading Rick Atkinson. I just finished the politics polyp and asian or and to answer the first one i could see to make that interesting and i read a war like no other and i first heard that on a replay of like a 2000 book tv thing, so i went to tell you i wouldnt call myself like a cspan groupie. I dont set up at sea 30 00 a. M. And watch cspan but my friends id tell them to flip to cspan every now man again. Ive downloaded all of your work host andy im going to go out on a limb and say you are groupie. Caller you know, i will say this, you have made me feel better about this years election. Basically, from the contenders batch all just played or the other one, the president and first lady and landmark cases and stuff. You know, i consider myself studying history. Im an engineer working in the defense department, but basically there was always some big issue for every year, every election, al smith in the 20s and duly, i mean, every year theres always been some big deal and if he were only to listen to the propaganda out there today on other channels you wouldnt get that picture and so im kind of thinking that even though this is a big election you know trump and biden, whoever wins or loses i believe as long as the machinery of our system stays in place we will be okay and i have cspan to thank for that. Host andy, thank you for calling in and watching. From the publisher regnery several authors have appeared including and culture, david horowitz, Newt Gingrich, michelle malkin, mark stein. What is they have in common . I think its fair to say they are conservative including this gentleman who was in our first year. Here it is. Host most gifted children of any race tended to go against the grain in their behavior and maybe seen as problematic, but if you have a gifted child from a privilege class background they may go to a school where the teacher understands what it is to be a gifted child. The poor you are the more you have anything against you people wont see that hes particularly gifted. They will say hes dumb. Is a problem. My own god daughter when she was in grade school, shes enormously gifted, but she was told she was dumb because she had difficulty reading. In fact the books she was trying to read or so beneath her level of understanding and i think number one, one thing you can do in this childs life is to be eight affirming presence because weve heard people talk about how they want to change someone, its hard to approach anything with the idea you change as someone else because really the only person we have the power to changes are self unless other people want to be changed by us. What you can do is be the person who offers a positive input to be the person who says here is someone you can talk to. You know, and my friend came home and said the teacher said power my god daughter is dumb i said thats ridiculous. It would be healed and i would be whole and having that witness was crucial to my survival and my coming to that place of selflove. Host that obviously was not a regular author, that was bell, she was on in 2002 and believe it was and if you notice she does spell her name with a dlowercaseletter and a lowercase h, but it was william in our first year as an author, here he is. This is old and musty, this is 49 years old, came a 1951, it was a rather amusing that i calculated for it to come out on 250th anniversary of the founding of el and it was squinted and no, the picture on the back, do you remember those days. No. [laughter] , quite conceivably. Whats in the book. The book is an examination of life at yale for the undergraduate with special attention given to the impulses to which he was exposed having to deal with government, was enthusiasm or was it enthusiasm for Less Government and also in the respective religion, what was encouraged in those courses which religion and touched, faith or skepticism, i concluded yell teaching in those days was collectivist and diagnostic in respect to the other should i battle honored you want to stop me. As recently as four years ago at a reunion a minister reminded me that i had volunteered to read aloud the section on christianity to the paternity of the christian mine and that i would rather tell you that everything that you said proved correct, as which he meant this appearance of a strong Christian Faith was accurately predicted with his knowledge, thats what really happened. William f buckley was published, as the new president and publisher, how long have you been on the job . I have been a published or cinched dinner in the sheer, i got the completed ten months. What were you doing prior to that. I was an editor from 2012 until this year. We have two levels of editors, we have senior editors, lead editors who take the raw manuscript and work on development into the big picture and then we have copy editors who take it from there and i was one of the senior editors. I think during your visit in washington i picked up a copy by William F Buckley. Good for you. What did he mean to the company. Buckley . , a lot, he started the company in 1947 and we just heard in the interview clip that book was published in 1951, him and another important book in the conservative intellectual tradition that he published the conservative mind by russell clerk appeared roughly the same time, earlier in the like of the company and those two books put gregory on the map and established the tradition that we try to carry on to this day. Host who are some of the authors that have been published this year, what kind of authors do you publish. Guest it is quite a variety, we usually have big name conservative figures, you mentioned jenness schism, those kind of people, having been a classmate of mine, we have politicians so our current bestselling book is called one got away by senator ted cruz, its about the Supreme Court, that came out at the same time another book on the Supreme Court called supreme disorder, a legal scholar at the cato institute, that represents another type of author and conservative intellectual and when we have lots of those, we have another book by another academic canadian, its called the parasitic mind, he is a youtube and podcast celebrity, we have books by other writers, when they came out a week ago called the type of panic about the pandemic and the governments response to the pandemic by three scholars, jay richards, douglas and william established an economist biologist, we cover the spectr spectrum. Host Thomas Spence, from your perspective, is it better to have a Republican Administration or a Democratic Administration when it comes to book sale . Guest that is a good question, the joke has always been what is bad for america is good for gregory, the clinton years were very good and when it conservative is in the white house, our people in our market are little less worked up about things, generally being in opposition has been good for gregory, the trump years everything about donald trump as he hopes to break the mold, weve done well in the trump years, there is plenty for people to read about and talk about, in general the opposition years are good for our business. Host Thomas Spence is a new ceo and publisher thank you for spending a few minutes with us on indepth spea. Guest congratulations on 20 or. Host we have 50 minutes left in the program and thomas in california, you are on the air, tell us who your favorite authors, Favorite Program, tell us what youre reading. I am a big fan of book tv it might be my Favorite Program and i would like to answer my favorite Nonfiction Author and Favorite Book tv guest, first on the Nonfiction Author thanks to the caller a few minutes ago im also a fan and i wanted to mention another important author who is still living but i dont think hes been on book tv yet, i would like to see him can welder. Host what does he write about. Caller he writes about the spectrum of consciousness, consciousness development, integrative paradigms, developmental paradigms, he has been called americas greatest living philosopher, hes been talked about by the likes of bill clinton. Host thank you, sir calling in, and 2000 for a couple viewers have brought up tom wolf that he was on the program, here is a portion. I decided to do the white suit in the hots for all the purposes of what happens with the publicity, happened by accident but i realize pretty soon i was onto a good thing and i finally got the job in new york as a reporter i was on two previous papers the Washington Post and finally got this job in june of 1962, summer was coming on and i had to wear a jacket and tie in the reporters look like there waiting in the soup kitchen line but i had only two jackets to my name so i went into the store and i bought a white suit in the Richmond Virginia is where i grew up and it was not an odd thing but it is made of heavy material and i could not wear in the summer so i started wearing at this time of year it was cut but it was white and this annoyed people with note and, why i enjoyed that i dont know but me getting dressed and wanting a lot more fun than it had been and then finally i wrote a collection with magazine pieces i have done, i discovered im not used to being interviewed, i was always interviewed by somebody else and i was kind of speechless and people asked me these questions are my opinions and stuff and i didnt say very much but all the articles with a wooden interesting man he wears white suits. So it took the place of a personality for many years. Host how many do you have. Guest i used to have a lot, i have about 22 now, i can get by with them. Host how long can you wear them without getting them cleaned. Guest about six hours. To going to trip or make people think that you have one, you have to have three and i have three suits are brought a long to come here, all made of the same material, you cannot really tell the difference but it simply does not hurt to have a trademark. Host mr. Wolf passed away in 2018, in 2008 here are the guest on indepth, david lewis, john, michael eric dyson, alex walker, ralph theaters, john wilson and Jonathan Karp talking about the election that year, Steven Pinker and kevin phillips, it was in may the book tv went to alice walkers home in the Berkeley Hills and did the program from there. Guest about bob marley, i never met bob marley while he was alive and i feel though that i met his spirit, every year since i discovered him he has meant a great deal to me, i think he has given us, artists give energy and thats part of what we do, it is free, its not like its a commercial thing ever, it may become commercial at some point but part of what we do is we given energy and when youre from part of the culture that is oppressed, its a big gift because it means people can keep dying, i feel that bob has kept millions of us going and when you see him dancing when hes singing, he is doing the dance when hes singing but you see the purity of his giving and i think millions of people around the world are connected with that, all people, that is why he was so beloved that he was completely free and giving the transmission of deep caring about each other and the planet. Host that was alice walker at her house in Berkeley Hills, deborah and georgia, please go ahead and make your comment. Caller thank you so much for taking my call, this is a difficult question on hes my favorite guest on indepth, i had to many harold, dusty, john you just mentioned him, nicholas, i adore nicholas in any bibliophile should love him, finally lynn cheney i will always remember because i got through to talk to her and i will never forget it, i ordered the program and got all her books, it was lovely. Host she has a new one out. Caller i know, im going to get it, i just love her it was so unique with her husband interviewing her, i thought that was really neat but i love you all so much and its the greatest thing in the world, book tv. Host we appreciate you watching, later from eric in washington, whats the name of your town. Caller Great Program like usual, my favorite author would be Christopher Hitchens and victor davis, i love christopher hes no longer with us but also the book about no one left to lie to, anything he does, hes pretty much a genius as far as that goes in the world war ii, anyway i really love your show, keep that up and until everybody you dont want to read all the books, you can watch your shows have a great day. Host heres a text along with what the gentleman just said my favorite indepth author, Christopher Hitchens although ironically im not read any of his books, my favorite writer currently other is christopher hedges and he is finishing his book america the farewell to her, next one is laramie wyomi wyoming. Caller thank you for your service for cspan, thanks to cspan. As john, sebastian, any of those been on indepth . Host once again, i think sebastian possibly has been on, who else did you mention . Caller john and james. Host john meacham, not yet, somebody weve been trying for but sebastian we gave him a couple of years ago from new york city studio, he owns the bar up there so we went up to new york and visited with him there. Caller whats the name of the bar. Host golly, that was a couple of years ago. Caller his book war, that is just excellent, what a great writer and james webb feel to fire, the literature on vietnam, i believe. Host i dont think he has been on, i apologize im not as familiar with that. Caller thats right you have a lot on your plate. Host we just interviewed john meacham in september. Caller great sense of humor. The gal said its you, its really you and she went to grab a book and brought it back the sign and it was a john grisham novel. Host by the way we also interviewed john grisham a couple times a book tv which was always entertaining to say the least. Caller we like our local author cj on his joe pickett series, good novels but i prefer nonfiction, anyway thank you. Host thank you for calling in. Hud secretary doctor ben carson prior to being hud secretary is an author of several books and he appeared on this program in 2013. I was an extraordinarily selfish young person as an adolescent and i was a person who thought it had a lot of rights, the more rights you think you have the more rights someone is to infringe upon your rights, people are always infringing upon my right and i would go to people with baseball bats, get in fights and once i tried to stab a youngster with a knife, the scene is well depicted in the movie but after the incident i locked myself in the bathroom and i started contemplating my life and i realize trying to kill somebody over nothing but i was seriously deranged, i. And i picked up a bible in the bathroom and had all these verses and i said wow, does that sound like me but also had a lot of verses about anger, there is no point getting an angry mountain countryman out of trouble hell just get right back into. It took 32 ma 32 years for amana control is tougher than conquer a city, verse after verse, chapter after chapter seemed like it was written for me while i remained in the bathroom i came to an understanding that it was not a sign of strength to punch somebody, it was a sign of weakness it met that you could be controlled by other people and by the environment and i did not want to be controlled, i also came to understand that it was my selfishness because somebody was in my space, taking my things and doing something to me and it was always about me, my, i come if you can step outside the center of the circle and b about somebody else maybe that will change things. Ive never had another angry outburst since that time. Host hud secretary ben carson prior to being hud secretary, 2009, Frank Williams and edmund green, ron, robert, bill ayres, ron williams, and pull enjoy where our guest that year, the colors have brought up mr. Hitchens and it was in 2007 that Christopher Hitchens was on indepth. Somebody like billy graham one conceal the symptoms who does not believe any of this at all but its every good businessman, i have a reason to think the terrible appearance he gives in public with his appearance are not the same, it was a canadian contemporary of his who at the border the crusade called James Templeton who has a memoir when he himself realized what he was talking was complete nonsense and he went to billy graham and said can you go on saying the stuff he said its too late to stop now and he said were in business and that is the case with a large amount but i dont want to sound vulgar, i know a lot of people that that means everything for great deal and dont try to profit it is a noise has been an important part, some religions simply are rockets, scientology for example or mormonism there is nothing more of the successful con job but the Spiritual Life cannot be reduced to that and heres the problem, do people really believe that, there cannot be an answer to because they dont know anymore than you do, if they say i believe it there still believing in something that they have to know probably did not take place, what theyre asking to believe to take something if somebody wants me too believe that, then i will but i feel like theyre working against themselves and probably doing themselves in injustice. Do you think billy graham is an evil man. A disgusting evil man, after choosing one after a number of possible answers i think its an unfeeling side of the second disorder, there are some kinds of prejudiced i dont terrifically like people it convicts me and i would probably be a better person even like more people, it is not like that, its a horrible conspiratorial intellectual meanspirited eventually lethal piece of bigotry, if you read the stuff from Richard Nixon on tape, you can get it from the nixon library, went to get over the revelation, i guess i knew that and by the way billy graham talked, dont mind if he does that and harbors on private its enough to make you sick. Host mr. Hitchens passed away four years after that interview in 2011, in 2010 our guest michelle, paul, tr reid, john dean, pat buchanan, martha, ralph nader, gordon would, scientist, goldberg and solomon were all on, you mention that paul johnson was one of our guest the british historian, heres a little bit from his appearance. We are living in an age where material advances are really very comforting and very considerable and we must be grateful to that, now of course where your email correspondence is near the truth is over the moral condition of the world, there has not been much improvement there, weve expanded ignore mostly but on morality it appears to be no better than ever in the past and im afraid that is true and if we go back through history and look at the time of George Washington a further back and look at the time of Queen Elizabeth in the armada or the middle ages in the crusades or to the age of julius caesar, we have to admit that public morals have not substantially improved, there are still a large number of dreadful things that occur and anyone who has lived through the middle decade of the 20th century as i did, must take a pessimistic view of the ability of the world to improve the moral standards. Nevertheless i am not without hope that this can be done, i still take the view that on the whole the world is a good place and its getting to be a better place but we all must work or hardest to improve the moral standards because that is what is required. Host leslie in south padre texas island. Leslie are you with a. Caller did you ever have all of our sacks on . Host i dont believe so. Caller he is british but he was made famous the movie the awakening among a lot of other things, what im reading right now, good question, i read newspapers, magazines, whats left of magazines but i enjoy your program and i feel like books are so overlooked nowadays, its a rare to see someone reading a book, i love to see when people are waiting to vote some have a book in hand but i feel like the countries at a loss especially for young people by not been exposed to the great literature and all the other things, anyway that is my comment but i love book tv. Host what book is on your table right now. Caller actually i have a table full of stuff but i got something that i have it im staying in a vacation condo on south foundry island and sometimes theres books laying around there is a man, maybe the author of the bourne identity, eric and its called last snow. Host are you staying down there on vacation or for the pandemic. Caller thats a long story ill try to make it short my parents retired in the 80s my dad was from south texas so im from kansas city but i came back and forth for years and now mom and dad are gone but we still have the house but its being worked on so im lucky enough to stand the beach for a while. I still have my sister here and im the legal guardian now but its a beautiful place and its the best beach in texas and not as crowded as anyone would imagine, they left the beach open, they have social distancing as far as you can have an umbrella but only two people 15p apart, i dont mean to go on and on but is the last stop my dad used to call it, if you look on a map youre almost in mexico, we have a gorgeous day today. Thank you so much, i learned so much and i feel like a part of a Community Watching book tv because you dont find people that read books much more, they read it, that is all, thanks again. Host book tv is pretty active on social media are facebook page, twitter page an instagram page, just remember booktv is the best handle for that and you can also go online at booktv. O booktv. Org, everything that weve been talking about today, all the indepth programs are listed there, theres a tab at the top of the page that says indepth and you can click on one of those tabs and watch any of the programs that we are talking about. Jacqueline woodson, Geraldine Brooks, jodi pico, brad melcher, those were the 12 that we had o on. And jodi pico who is a bestselling author, here she is from her indepth program in 2013. I do love the concept of the novel as a way to advocate social justice. I think for example, when i read this book i read countless studies about reproductive rights and abortion statistics and things like that. Most people do not sit down and do that on a daily basis. But they might pick up a novel. You think you are picking up a book tv entertained pretty think youre picking up a book thats going to risky while whiskey away for a few hours. If ive done my job right you end up thinking really hard about a topic you may not otherwise approached. I think in that way fiction is so wonderfully sneaky. Because it really gets peoples minds to crack wide open. Calliope and wallingford, pennsylvania. Hike. Caller hi how are you. Host good how are you. Caller i want to say my favorite Nonfiction Author was Christopher Mitchum by far and away. I also love cockle, sebastian unger. That is quite a range of people that you have chosen. Yes i have a very eclectic. Was there a connecting fiber those for . Caller just the different topics they covered. I just could not get them from anyone else. Especially christopher shannon. When you do and wallingford . Im on disability right now for an injury but i was in radio. Select thanks for calling in. We appreciate it. Eleanor in south carolina. Eleanor, good afternoon. Caller hi, how are you . Suet hi how are you. Caller i am doing great. Host you have called switch like to say . Smoothie i i am intrigued by the whole concept of this. Im pretty sure its before you wait into the fiction only year years, but robert caro has been on cspan i think many different over the years has certainly been my favorite interviewee. I think bryan lam has talked to him a number of times, you probably have. He is just a wonderful, interesting interviewee for many different respects. Because he news his subjects so intimately, Lyndon Johnson for we are all on tender hooks waiting for him to complete the final installment of the lbj biography. But when think it was maybe a year ago that conan obrien who is a big fan of robert caros, got him out to california to interview him. We covered that on book tb as well. That was an interesting, interesting our for sure. Caller think a lot of us out there are not as high celebrity level as conan obrien, but many of us are very interested in robert caro. Host yes i think a lot of us are waiting for him to finish that volume. Caller i know they keep asking when hes going to finish it. You have any hints when it might come out . Sue and i do not have any hints mightily should email him directly and find out. I think it finishes when it finishes. Caller absolutely nobody worth the wait. Sue annoyed eleanor thank you. What long with history and politics we talk with science and tech writers. It was in 2006 that futurist and an inventor ray kurzweil was on the program. Essentially nanomachine will become one of the future . Guest let me explain how that will happen. Well have that in the blood cells inside our bodies into the brain the capillary to two things. One is to keep us healthier, to reverse, destroy pathogens, roof debris, correct dna errors. That sounds futuristic to point out were doing at least the first generation of that already animals. One scientist juror type one diabetes but whats in some out at a controlled, mit has a device it destroys cancer cells by protecting antigens on the surface. Barring toxins and destroying the cell for this is today. Take this billion four magnification, expansion that i talked about a quarter century of the capabilities of information technology, computers and communication. Apply that to what we can always do. And in 25 years we have the nano bots, blood cell size devices very sophisticated and capable of keeping us healthy from the inside in working directly with our neurons, with sean that is feasible. Expanding human intelligence. How smaller nano bots . Led cell size. Nano, the key features are measured in nanometers. That does not mean banana bought is 1 nanometer. I mean the features are measured and modest number, five, ten, 20 nanometers. The whole device is microns, which is the size of a blood cell. On a blood cell is basically a nano robot. I can be quite sophisticated. White blood cells quite intelligent, and detect friend from foe industry device strategy to destroy it. Theres a couple of deficiencies. One significant deficiency about white blood cells. I actually watch my own white blood cells in a microscope. Theyre very slow. Biology is sluggish. I took my white blood cell tower and have to destroy bacteria on the slide. I think it was operating at full speed. Ultimately these nano robots will do that in seconds. There will not be subject too auto to immune disorders. They can Download Software from the internet to match specific pathogens. That sounds pretty futuristic i will say there is lots were fitting inside the body and bring them down were softer from outside the body like for parkinsons patients. I think devices get smaller as we have shrinking technology at exponential rate. So in 25 years, these devices be 100 times smaller in terms of key features. They will be a billion times more capable there already pretty impressive. Going to make, and the last 20 minutes of indepth 7488200 for those on the eastern and central time zones, 7488201 pair for those in mountain pacific time zones 202 7488903. If you like to send in a text, please include your first name and your city as well. Ellen is in maryland. Here in the washington area. Go ahead. Caller hi peter. It is so wonderful to talk to you. Where to begin . As i have been watching you just in the last little while, i was thinking about the last interview that i think bryan lam did with Christopher Hitchens he was getting chemotherapy. But was so powerful and so moving furniture street aired a few weeks ago. But anyway, pj orourke, heather mcdonald, and i am just reading now, intellectuals by paul johnson. And it magically i just turned on the show, there is a quip from paul johnson. I do wonder why you stop going to visit authors and their workspaces . I thought maybe it got too expensive or something. I enjoyed that feature when you were doing it. They wanted good feature thank you perjure one of many people who has chastised bad decision that we cut back a little bit on those. It was timeconsuming. They were important, you are right ellen. Im probably something to reconsider. I appreciate that. Jay in washington d. C. Hi jay. Caller thanks for taking my call peter. Really Excellent Program this afternoon. Much educated. Im a big book tb fan. Ive got a book here, blackouts ill finish reading a couple years ago by paul porter. I got it from you. I was on book tvs on the cspan programs is a fascinating book thats running stomping grounds of your area they are at cspan. With the hotel et cetera. A really good read, see what i think we covered that on book t tb. Caller out was, okay. Ive got so many books here have not actually read. But your program is so rich. Or like to make one comment on what your guests, jodi picoult, going to order her books, some of her books because she is a fascinating author. She is so rich. And her dialogue in her perspectives that are so educational. Thank you so much peter. Sue and jay thanks was recalling and thanks for watching. As in 2011, Phyllis Bennis was on along with conservative political activists, are emmett tyrrell, ishmael reed, megan, eric pozner, linda hogan, ann coulter, ellen ghose, uncle moore, ben ms. Rick and david brooks were all on. And it was in august that and culture joined us. Journalists who are allowed to interview ann coulter again for a second time. The shortlist is in it. Left mexicans about seven days off i do here in a minute. Youve got on that list, john cloud of time magazine, jonathan three lynn of the guardian, jamie from frontpage magazine, taylor caleb jam bands. Com, Jonathan Pitts the baltimore sun, Charlotte Allen a belief that. Com on fishbowl d. C. Why are those chosen few allowed to interview again . Suet virtually there were three and i chose them specifically because they ran a tape recorder when i talked. And then apparently played the taper quarterback before typing what i said. And i promise you, that is shockingly rare. Host you get misquoted a lot . Somehow i say we need to reduce the Capital Gains rate and it comes out i support hitler know of his work. [laughter] no and is insane in the misquotes. And often the malice of my statement is there. But the them figure of the quote is completely vacuumed out. Like i say the joke bomb squad is always gone. So originally was simply the once, and by the way they were all liberals who do not agree with my politics. Get the the courtly accurately. Also they care in the body of the peace, i dont care they say about me just courtly accuratel accurately. Through them dead in a few got added who did courtly accuratel accurately. That it became a special requesting. Someone would interview me and said want to be on that list. Which is good incentive for them to have. [laughter] smacked that was nine years ago. Next calls roseanne from california. Was in hurry reading right now . Whos your favorite author, your favorite indepth program . Go ahead. Caller im a firsttime colored im in my 80s were to watch since it first started one little thing i wanted to say. My books are all political. The ones that i like and i support, i pay for, full price for the ones i dont like id buy the books at the library i can support the library. Split alright. Torso the authors you like . Caller like all the political ones, tom freedman, up and down whatever it is. I do have to say but has been a political vented im the other. Weve been happily married for 57 years, so he pays the regular present books he wants and i pay the regular price on the books i want. On the behalf extra copies of his because after all a wife is got to serve her husband once in a while, that is all. [laughter] cement that is resenting california accomplish a calling in. She savors quickly interviewed heard on politics in different vents, i love you but i hate your politics was the name of her book, probably good for this season. Sara murrells inlet, south carolina. Sara good afternoon. Caller good afternoon i would think it from education and happy 20th anniversary. Host thank you maam. Caller i was going through a divorce and a buyout of my husband on Marthas Vineyard pretty got an attorney from cape cod. And i did not was going out the money market. And he recommended i read the colossal fail of common sense by Lawrence Mcdonald with patrick robinson. Was inside story of the collapse of the lehman brothers. And it was fascinating to me. Sue and did we cover that a book tb . I know we covered one book on the collapse of lehman. Im not sure if it was that one. Through the well it was so informative, ive a Real Estate Broker for so long. When i was in massachusetts. I wish there was more, while i did just come across a great book. And i found out about it by your television show. It was on cspan. And it cant pay, will pay. Its about the coalition were the change will be the sum of the parts to leverage bad loans. And the changing of how mortgaging, lending, school loans, helping the tenants, landlords who had taken advantage of the collapse and bought things. And how when you buy property, it goes 1000 pretty recent book wasnt it . Suet yes it is free online. I stayed up pretty much all night, i think i read for about six hours. Host sara thanks for calling in. I was in 2006 that Award Winning historian from duke university, John Hope Franklin was our guest. He was in his 90s at the time he was here. This is one or we had gone down to visit him at his home in durham ahead of the program. Suet we are in professor John Hope Franklins backyard. And he has a greenhouse back here, could you tells what you do back here . Suetgrowing orchids for almost 50 years. I got hooked on orchids when i was teaching one summer in 1959 at the university of hawaii. And i came back, i was teaching at brooklyn i was living in brooklyn, teaching there. And i came back, brought a few orchids, they died because i did not know what to do with them. Then i built the wintergreen house in brooklyn. I really got started there then. These are just opened recently. Those are just beginning to open up there. Host was it a difficult task or specialized tasks to keep these orchids healthy . Guest yes, take some doing. You have to keep the greenhouse fairly clean, clean of fungus and that is a deterrent to their successful growth. This is a vanilla plant and is gotten out of control. Vanilla is an orchid, it is the most important orchid commercially. Stuart and doctor franklin died about three years after that interview. So in 2012, chris hedges was on the program along with mark stein, harvards randall kennedy, Richard Brook kaiser, tom brokaw and New York Times dave protrusion, his story and juliann malvo. Steven johnson, kenneth davis, and former senator the late tom coburn, 2013, the year following, bartlett and steele , Donald Bartlett and James Stiller january guests. Theyve written a couple bestselling political books and exposes. Randall robinson was on the program, larry schweikert, amy goodman, melanie phillips, Rick Atkinson which several viewers have reference. Who by the ways work on a trilogy on the early days of the u. S. Mary roach, ben carson, ben shapiro, john lewis, the late john lewis, kitty kellyanne Christina Hoff summers were two more years. And in 2009 a few colors and brought him up. Course we talked about his father. But Christopher Buckley was on the program. Hes an author in his own right. Mostly satirical fiction. Here is a little bit of his program. I got the idea for thank you for smoking one day, i was making supper, watching the news hour as it was called, i still think of it that way. [laughter] still makes me chuckle to think of it. They had someone on who was there to present the latest evidence that smoking is, hello, bad for you. He had at least two phds after his name, at the bottom of the screen. And. [laughter] to balance it out, they had someone on from the Tobacco Institute was of course Tobacco Industries lobby. She was a gorgeous attractive woman, Brendan Dawson was her name. [laughter] every time this scientist from the National Institutes of not smoking or whatever, said something, presented the evidence would had at least seven words ever in comprehensible, inhibitor. [inaudible] she would go oh please. [laughter] escort lemon juice on this guy make it sound as though he was being the most preposterous phone in the world. Thats gotta be an interesting job. [laughter] it up in the morning brush her teeth say goodbye to the kids, go off and cell death for a living. So i called her up and is it i just got to come hang out with you. I was little oblique about what i was up to. I got to hang out with her. At one point, after couple days i said no, something im really dying to ask you. But he feel a little awkward about it she said in a beautiful smoker in her office. It was like lauren bacall. And she said i know, whats a nice girl like me doing in a place like this . I said yes, yes thats exactly it. [laughter] and she said i am just paying the mortgage. In the book it becomes the yuppie nurnberg defense. I was only paying the mortgage. [laughter] suet knows Christopher Buckley 2093 this text from mary jo in dearborn, michigan. My favorite interview was with Geraldine Brooks during our year old fiction. I love people of the book and the year of wonders. And her next Nonfiction Book is hopefully cast by Isabel Wilkerson. Robert caro has been reference a couple times in this program. He is writing the multivolume set on Lyndon Johnson and the johnson years. Here he is talking about one of those volumes. Sue and im going to go live in a Southern City for as long as it takes for me to it find out exactly what differences it made in the life of black people in the south if Lyndon Johnson got the voting rights. Sue and you never get a live yet . Guest know it takes time for that. When when you think youll do that . Guest were going to want a book to her now that we always been two months in france. And then im going to start. Sue and what about the idea come know you mentioned in the past but going to vietnam. Guest yes you remember everything. Those of the two things i want to do. Because if i can just say i tried to write about political power feel you dont write about fully enough unless you write, not only about the man but about its effect on the people on whom its use for good or for ill. Offer good, Lyndon Johnson was great civil rights activist presidency is voting right acts, transformed political power black people in america. I want to go to a Southern City and see what is that mean question or give sewers now and you didnt . Joe sidewalks pays were they were not before heidi feel about the sheriffs and you can vote for sheriff . Are your schools better, exactly what difference. You have more hope in your father did . Your childrens life and be better yours because of Lyndon Johnson . However, the other side of Lyndon Johnsons presidency is vietnam. And one of the things i intend to do is to try and show what it means, when a modern, industrialized nation makes war, certainly not on a primitive nation but a rural, peasant nation. I want to go to vietnam and see how that works. And probably leaving one of these vietnamese villages that were bombed by b52s. The horrible thing about that bryan is the b52s flew so high that not only were they invisible from the ground, but you cannot hear them. So these villages and never even knew theyre being until the bombs actually hit. Host and 2014, mark levan, bonnie joseph, being west, lewis watery guest, and buddy slade, rose osman, ron paul, mary frances berry, joan pissed give it, michael korda, and Arthur Brooks all appeared. Tyson was with this in 2017. Heres a portion. I was asked by the New York Times or some impasse, several impasses ago in congress. And they just thought they would have fun and ask people who are definitely not politicians what solutions did they have for getting things through congress and fixing things. I think the way they asked it was, fewer president , what would you do . What solutions you have . So i wrote back, if i were president , i would not be president. [laughter] you can find it, it is on my website. If i were president. Just google that in my name tyson but it will take you, might take it to the New York Times part. I duplicated it in my website. Its a big cut out of the paragraph theres not enough space. The full response that question is there. That comes onto the expectation expectation that if you run for office, you somehow can change everything. And, i am not convinced of that. Im a little contrary in here. The literal opposite of what a lobbyist does parade the lobbies go straight to the politician to influence the politician just serve the interests of the audience and who they represent. For me, any elected official represents people who put them into office. So as an educator, what matters is not so much with the officials, what matters is what is the state of enlightenment of who is doing the voting . If people for example, all new, recognized and valued what science is and how and why it works, they would never even dream of voting for someone who does not know that. Because that person within not represents their full interest. I would rather educate an electorate so they can put people in office next scientific form decisions about everything they do. Rather install myself into office who dont yet have this knowledge or insight that is not what. 88 of congress stance or reelection every two years. You convince one congressman or another then you gotta start all over again. You educate the electorate you are good pretty go to the bahamas and elect people who take this country into the future rather than back into the cave. And unfortunately we ran out of time, we had some other video to show you from video bernadine dorn, studs terkel, and jimmy carter. And unfortunately are unable to get to that video, all of those programs are available on her website and booktv. Org. To watch them in their entirety, thank you for being with us and thanks to bring with us these past 20 years. If you missed anything in this program, it will re air now. Youre watching book tv on cspan2. Every week and with the latest Nonfiction Books and authors. Cspan2 comment created by americas Cable Television company as a public service. 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