Politics and prose bookstore and we live in muscatine. Bit of a Great Program for you this evening. For those of you not familiar with how this virtual format works, just to be able to ask a question of the author if you would like. To do so, just click on the q a icon at the bottom of your screen. Bob has been observing in washington or half a century. Decades with Washington Post, hes shared pulitzer prizewinning first of the watergate scandal and second in 2003, is a leap reported for coverage of the 911 terrorist attacks. s books also a big news and run any readers. His latest book rage is his 20th book, and all have been national bestsellers. We are accustomed to bobs books taking us behind the scenes of highlevel meetings and into the mind is of those making critical u. S. Policy decisions. This extraordinary are what is extraordinary about rage, but 17 times, while the book was being written, providing a remarkable series of glimpses into the presence thinking at key moments. It conversation this evening will be another prizewinning journalist jane, she is correspondent for the new yorker magazine. Shes been there for 25 years. Also the author of other books that have helped deepen our understanding of such important topics as money behind the why of the radical right and the war on terror, and the iran contrast terror. So taken away. Bulb its great to be with you. Bob thank you jane. I just wanted to start given that there has been so much news the question and get your thoughts on the court and i wondered whether in your work on trump, whether you have gotten any insights into his relationship with Mitch Mcconnell. How do they were together, will they be coordinating closely and illegal the same interest when it comes to approaching filling the vacancy left by Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Bob yes because you have the peace of the new yorker reminds everyone what your piece said. In your idea that really mcconnell was to make sure that he retains control of the senate more than getting another justice is that correct. Jane will i think would you would like to do is to have us do both. My guess is that he will be, he will find a way to do both with some incredible maneuver. He often surprises people with the fine print of the rules in the senate. But i think people i know who i have interviewed about Mitch Mcconnell think that nothing matters more to him and staying majority leader. Put it that way. But i imagine at this point, trump really wants yet another justice, this will be his third in the court. And im sure mitch would like it to but not at the expense of losing his majority in the senate. It and its dicey politics right now. Things are awful. So what you think that is going on. How do they work together. Bob i will release them audio and transcripts of trump talking with me about this very issue. I think we will release them in an hour. It shows that trump and mcconnell really work in tandem much more than we thought. Trump, he has wrapped his mind around this issue of filling the seat, the Ruth Bader Ginsburg seat. He sees political plus infected giant one because what this does is it takes the focus off the virus where his performance is quite frankly, i found a dismal. And he goes to the issue of kenny put another justice on the court. This fits his idea kind of its really. Much a style. People are criticizing him saying that this is not fair. But this is a pr political power play. The mcconnell and trump my followup right successfully. The democrats, a lot of people said wait a minute. They didnt get a hearing, they getting get a vote. And in reality, the Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell can pose these things. So there is much more, i think this is trump luck when one of the long conversations i had with him a couple of months ago, he said he thought in 2016 that he had won the election in the last four weeks of the campaign. And i you can see that. And you can argue that. And i think he is hoping to duplicate that. Jane you have in your book, i conversation that seems with i dont know if youre directly interviewed him but with Lindsay Graham. You say that Lindsay Graham and chief Justice Jon Roberts talk a lot. That was news to me. Because Lindsay Graham is the Senate Judiciary committee right now. Bob pivotal position in all of this for me to all of this but, in the book, graham seems to express that he is worried that Justice Robert to are both worried that the court has become so split and so politicized and so partisan. And they do not want to become more so. Does that suggest, that kind of thinking will have any bearing on him trump fix or how will he make this pic do you think. Bob i think you will pick the woman, the cubanamerican from florida. The makes all of the political sense in the world. She served on the Supreme Court of florida any years. Now she is on the bed roll Appeals Court down there. And that cubanamerican heritage conservative. It is an obvious political pick for trump. But you know, and trump world, you learn to not states much on your predictions because he continually surprises. This is going to be as everyone says, blondie but trump and mcconnell are looking at this as oh boy, we have an opportunity here and it appeals to the evangelicals, it appeals to this idea of the kind of rule breaking that trump loves. In a way theres a tradition of not trying to ram through Supreme Court new appointee in the election year. Let alone the last 50 days in the campaign. I think there is a feeling of political muscle that they will exercise. Jane and you dont see it as any kind of potential for backlash. I know democrats are already talking about if they take the senate, the majority, that they would then also turn to serve radical muscle. And maybe try to pack the court or Something Like that. Do you see any sort of things like that. Bob i know the people who talk about this. Packing the court has a bad odor about it. President roosevelt tried that. And we dont like the way the court is the way the court has been in all of american history. And we are going to now add more justices because we do not like what theyre doing. I dont think thats works in a political sense or in a practical sense. But when you listen to some of the democrats talk about this and just say, this is absolutely awful and unfair. How can trump and mcconnell think about it. When you think. You know this. Jane i think that mcconnell and i dont know, havent spent as much time and certainly not as much time as you have an trump. But mcconnell is somebody who wrote today, the hypocrisy and shamelessness are not only is immune to them, the management style for him. To me missus than institutional for him. They will not care that people say it looks unfair. That wont matter. Bob the news and people that will say its unfair. The democrats predispute if youre right. The democrats. Bob and what. Jane what might make a difference is and i was interviewing from aei. There are a couple senate races with endangered republican incumbents. Susan collins and maine for instance sort of declare that shes not going to vote for innsbruck before the election read for the replacement. And there are a few others could be dicey. It was on the spot of having to choose between trump base which i afford to lose in the moderates and particularly women who might not want to lose. But you will need for who would not vote with mcconnell or republicans. And i cannot count four of them. They might give romney. And markowski and collins. I dont know who the fourth would be. It everybody is watching. Bob but the idea of hypocrisy, what is the hypocrisy. Jane and water their feelings. Bob actually i think it is kind of the wrong word. And is playing ultimate political harmful. And as we know, the democrats will do that as will the republicans. So it is going to be a moment where you have to sit on the edge a receipt because there will be maneuvers. There will be surprises. And trump is sitting back there and we are talking about this rather than the virus. Which is now killed 200,000 people. And i found in my reporting, i had discussions with trump. This all goes back to and if i can take you to i think what is one of the most important meetings in the oval office. And certainly in this entry may be in a long time. That is january 28 at this year when National Security advisor Robert Obrien said to president trump, the virus is going to be enough maybe a going to be the biggest National Security threat to your presidency. And then the deputy laid out the details of how there were sources, and old wall street journalist reporter. A very talented one. Nominated for pulitzer prizewinning for what he did in china for seven years covering the 2003 sars epidemic. And he laid out for trump, he said look, this virus is airborne. People who do not show symptoms can spread it. But most importantly, he said this is not going to be just a little problem. It is going to be very much like the 1918 spanish flu pandemic that killed 675,000 people. They went through the details of this and the president ten days later told me about this. And i was thinking all about he was talking about china. It was not for three months until i learned about that january meeting. And i start my book with this meeting. It is almost like somebody coming to Franklin Roosevelt a week before pearl harbor and sing that the japanese are going to obamas. And just sitting on it and not doing anything. It is shocking behavior. I think there are two pillars in the presidency. The first is, i remember talking to talk about this in her first interview. This was in december of last year in the oval office. The question was, what is the job of the presidency. And trump said, the job is to protect the people. Any failure to protect the people. He couldve done in february coming out and saying, look, i have an authoritative deep morning here. There are things that people can do. He in a state of the Union Address on february 4th going to say, wash your hands. Keep social distance, wear a mask. Dont get in a crowded room with people for an extended period of time. And thats kind of remedial behavior. There are models that say tens of thousands of lives could have been saved by acting in february. Jane so bob, the story of leo here i thank you so talking. An egregious. Why do you think trump acted this way. What was going on in his head. I know he has said he purposely downplayed it to avoid a panic. But as are really at because if he was so concerned about panic in the public. Is been an awful lot of time talking about here about things like race riots. So he doesnt concerned about that particular panic. An agency in your book that is chief of staff meadows was concerned particularly about the stock market may be dropping. How do you account for his failure on this issue that is now killed as of today 200,000 people. Bob if we wer if we had been talking a year ago, you wouldve thought i had gone off the rails. It is a shocking number. Save question on march 19th, i interviewed him. And in 104 any talks over nine hours. And i said why have you acted this way about the virus. This was march. Everyone knew it was airborne. They knew we were in a crisis. At that point, there were 30000 new cases a day. He said he would like to downplay it for 80s and i always like to down play. Dont want people to panic. And i look at that state meant to very direct with you when he said i dont want people to panic. It reflects his failure to understand the people he governs that in this country if people are told the truth, like Franklin Roosevelt parted after pearl harbor said, i know you can be told the worst. It is all bad news. And you will not lose heart. That is the american tradition. If you laid on the line and you say look, this will be difficult. But trump wanted to cover it up. For almost 50 years writing about trying to understand presence. It is the action that really is a failure to lead in any form, a failure to understand his responsibility as we know. During some of this like the experts like they would say it would be okay to go to the gym and them on the movies did and maybe it will be different but i think right now, it will be fine people would say well, they Public Officials both officials lets trump down. But you know this so well. There are two informations routes to the president. What is National Security and the other is the doctors coming in for these Coronavirus Task force committees. But they dont meet. Except trump is the only one who has known all of them. Tina he knows what is going on in the failure to warn is one of the saddest moments in history as best i can tell. Jane do you he could outrun it. The numbers are exponentially taking upwards and spreading through the country. Do you think the people would not notice. Thats what ive been a notable figure out. Bob that is not the way he thinks. He thinks in a very impulsive way as we know of how do i do with this at this moment. It is a failure to accept responsibility. In july i talked with him. One of her long talks. In fact it was the longest one is in the book. So this was two months ago. The virus, with rating would you give yourself. He said i would give myself in a forget a vaccine, and a rated on this day, there were 4 million virus cases in this country. 142,000 americans had died. And he is giving himself in a and then look at some of his comments last week when people asked about him downplaying it. He said will actually leak a play date. Now that is a word i checked that is not even in the scrabble dictionary. Let alone in the real big dictionary. In one moment he saying is a political hijab. He was asked my fox anchor this week. What about the book. He said trump said quality is okay. And upper down or a political it job. And sorry to say this, if you listen to this. Im not sure he knows which way is up in which way is down. That compounds the problem. This is the leader of our country. Jane bob, you covered nine president s. I guess i have to ask the most basic of questions. Is the worst. Bob as a reporter, you want to cover each one in aiken mako kinds of comparisons. Nixon, the first president that i covered. He clearly was a criminal resident. In the Republican Party turned on nixon. He was really forced to resign when he went to the envelope office and he said account of the republicans. And you have only four votes. And among the republicans. None in the democratic party. One of those four votes were you is not me. And goldwater said that. In the next night nixon announced that he was resigning. Each one is different. This is left a gaping wound. And it is not over. Almost a thousand people are dying every day right now. In the failure to plead and describe the things that need to be done. The expert say if trump would just say, everyone should wear a mask. He said is optional. And then he goes into bills rallies or thousands of people are packed together without a mask. What the heck is going on. What i did the first, fear. Since a nervous breakdown of the executive branch. But what you call it now. I call it something that we have almost been to put to sleep. Oh thousand deaths, 142,000 deaths down. Now 200,000 deaths read we need a wakeup call to the populist. This is not a political issue. This is a practical issue and quite frankly a moral issue. Jane i guess the reason i ask about whether you rank trump differently, at the bottom is partly because as far as anyone correct me if i am wrong, this may be the first president we have come out and express an opinion that simply says, this man is not qualified to be our president. Bob what i said in totality, for my reporting, is the wrong man for the job. A. Jane in which case. Bob conclusion is overwhelming evidence. Because in a way, the book is about the truth. Are we going to face the truth. And as i was working on the epilogue, i typed that. And then my assistance, and also my wife elsa will show you know so well. Jane my colleague. Bob yes. And she work at the post. She was a staff writer at the new yorker. She edited this book six times. She repeatedly would take me to the woodshed frankly and say wait a minute. You have not absolutely confirm this. You need to talk to this person. She would give me graphs. And i would have 250 words on a page typed out. And then she would go after it and asked me to write more than 250 words on the page editing and rearranging. I am blessed. If you know her as a friend and i know her as a wife and a friend. Jane most people like elsa. Bob exactly. Jane the question i had, this issue or process that you went through, coming out of your. Much the most famous and accomplished reporter in america. And in out of the tradition of trying to keep your voice neutral. Another reporting tell the story. In this case, you actually spoke up as an individual and said, issued an opinion. And i can imagine, it is a hard step to take for people like you like me maybe who are trained as a traditional reporter. No wonder what is it about trump made you feel this was a time actually have speak up and Say Something about. In the conclusion. Bob not only was i able to do that reporting have the luxury of ten months but he call me at all hours. I could call him anytime. It would come back or he would come on the phone night during the day. If you go to the book. I havent ten generals waiting downstairs, i need to go talk to them. Jane anywhere talk to you. I guess one of the questions of course everyone wonders about is why did he talk to you. Why do people but why did he talk to you. Because he kept saying throughout the book, i know this is going to be bad. You going to do this about. He didnt talk to you got your first book. Did you think it he thought he could win you over and change the mainstream medias view of him. They could sell you on himself. Or did he need somebody to confess to as he rambled from the white house. What you think or what he think you talk to you. Bob what i am doing, reporting this very practical exercise. Over they all my questions and even answer. I would not let him off the hook. You go through the book. One of the most extraordinary scenes for me was going down to interview him on december 30th of last year. He is on trial, impeachment trial is going on. In the senate. So i started asking him questions about impeachment in the transcript he released. Showing that he wanted the ukrainian president to talk to the attorney general about investigating joe biden and his son. So were shouting at each other. By releasing this transcript, nixon famously said he gave his opponent a sword by behaving the way he did. And so i said to president trump, you know, you give your opponents a sword. By releasing the transcript. And he said oh no, is perfect. So we are going through it and you run it. Im just saying wait a minute, wait a minute. Why did you do this. And he said well, it is perfect. And i would say, listen lets investigate the bidens. And you talk to the attorney general mr. President of ukrai ukraine. And from said no no, it is about corruption. And i said wait a minute, read it right here. It says biden. And he would go on and on and deny it and deny it. I civil just as a matter of policy. Do you think that the president of the United States to go around and ask foreign leaders to investigate his political opponents. Any clue here it. Soon it was perfect. I hadnt ever released the transcripts, i wouldve really been in trouble on this. He thought it was a shield when it actually was a sword for everyone else. And finally is said to him, do you understand often how cleansing it is to apologize. And he thought about apologizing i asked him if he would and he said absolutely not. Jane and you thought you could give them to apologize. Bob will apologized for the hollywood tape. And i said go talk to the monk of. He said it wouldnt make any difference what she said. And im sure that its true. But that is the interrogation of an impeached president. On trial in the senate, the senate and the house could not do. And you can hear it. And no on one of the networks and play the tape of that. And will go through, is one of the most and strangest and weirdest where your our meeting and wall and the wall is not logical. The president of the United States is not logical. Jane he is dean knowing reality to you and thinking that is going to convince you of something that is not true. One of the things i thought was interesting, the questioner talked about for text that you needed to read in order to understand trump. In one of them is a book, and maybe tell people about this. It is about basically about using this information and line purposely. Something is lying or saying something that is falls without knowing it. Its a strategy. Thats what this book is about. Use the information that. Bob mr. Bingley, the persuasion in a world where facts dont matter. Missus the way to understand his fatherinlaw, the president of the United States. But question extracts something from this. That is controversy, and elevates message. It means that if there is controversy and basically you are telling the truth or enough of the truth and discussion about it, it it will elevate your message. In the example of trump going down to the best economy in the world. In all of history, going back to the roman empire something. That is the way it is. It questioner says, okay everyone knows literally that is not true. And in the state of the economy it was better or and then all of the Fact Checkers will come around and sound like they are nitpicking and talking about something. In the average person, looks around and said, will the economy is really quite good. This is before the virus. And everyone attacking the president is unfair. In the controversy elevates message. We are now walking into the issue of the new Supreme Court justice that the president is going to appoint. Take that controversy. Avoid will there be controversy about it. And it elevates the message for trump. And what is the message. Well i am trying to get a Supreme Court justice and who has impeccable credentials. Somebody if it turns out, to be the cubanamericans judge from florida for whoever is he will be able to say see, evangelicals, see people, i am fighting for you. I am doing this for you. I am doing what i believe in. And the controversy elevates message. Jane it outplays the present they that we are always run to the controversy and it creates the controversy by flying on the subject that he wants to talk about. Then world run into we have to talk about the subject that he was to talk about. I thought it was really. Neat description of this technique of purposeful lying. And how it works and it is not an accident basically. Bob but question up with say is it is not purposeful lying, his exaggeration. Just take the Washington Post and talk about the extra squeeze. You have something that is good and you take an extra squeeze and overstated. That is a policy and in any ways it does work. Jane so while we are talking about this. Things about how you made decisions on what to say you do in the book. I have to ask you, i went on twitter i asked people what would you ask bob woodward in one of the peopl questions peopp asking is why did you decide not to tell the public about how much trump now and wendy knew it, about the pandemic. It was about the coronavirus. And i know this is a perennial question when youre working on longrange stories people always say why didnt you tell us earlier. When you can tell us why did you not tell people really afraid. Bob because i thought he was talking about china because i was the only issue in february then in march when the pandemic exploded, thats knowledge, that everybody had agreed was sort of story with the right and i was looking at the question and as you know. Jane you lost your sound. When second. Okay there you are. So basically, by the time you, my Internet Connection is off. Okay. Bobjane i think you might have answered it even if i did not hear. Bob nono, and february everything was about china. At that that is what he was talking about. As we know, we all live our lives in chronological order. We dont report in chronological order. And it was not until may that i learned how trump got that knowledge which was critical and that was that january 28th meeting which is the key event in all of this and by may, the virus was totally out of control. I did not see it. You can bring tulsa and in my two assistants into taken us. We never said or sat around and said, is there something that we should tell the public here. I have often while i am doing books, i breakaway and i do stories for the post regularly if there is any reason that i have access to the editor. Because we woo talking about china. There was the issue that the virus was out of control. And is being transmitted through the air in china. So i think it is a fair question. I think i have public safety, Public Health responsibility as a journalist, that if you learn something is going to happen, you have an obligation to report it. In this case also, was a short whether it was true because, occasionally very occasionally says things that dont check out. Jane i was curious as a reporter about whether you will at some point release all of the tapes of his interviews. Its Something Like nine hours is the right. Bob yes. I am releasing them selectively. Like the issue of the court and the judges and so forth. Im going to release, a few minutes from now. On cnn in the Washington Post. The people can hear what trump has to say about mcconnell and how they are looking at the world. It is quite a series of transcripts and audios. And you will see that this really matters to trump. This issue of the court. He realizes that its part of his legacy. He would like to make it more and more of his legacy. And he understands numbers and when i interviewed him in the oval office, and the nice parchment stack of appointments for the new judge. He was holding it is something sacred. In the end big picture that he gave me. And with the letters between he and. Jane do you think he has a policy interest that are consistent. I wondered in reading luke 15, he talks about how important it is to be flexible. Which in another way kinda means changing his mind backwards and forwards on things. To think one of the other things that he seemed quite fixated on is making sure that he had negated all of obamas policies. Is that his major consistent policy direction. Or does he have interest in the judicial philosophy. Bob i think it is transactional. It is the impulse writing a way to minutes. I will go into the Grocery Store and i will take the green one. I will take this did see this is what has drove the senior people who served him early like james matus, the defense secretary and secretary of state. The number one intelligence person. Were still planning. There is no organization. There was no, lets all get together and decide what we will do. Trump decided it on his own. And it finally, the alienation of these people, the role heading for retirement. Dan coats, director of the National Intelligence had been a republican senator from indiana for 16 years. Very close friend with mike pence. And he became the Vice President. When pence was Vice President elect he called them up and said do you want a job. And he said no. I do not want a job. He and his wife are retiring and then he said, will complete with a president elect. A mess with trump and they offered him number one intelligence job. And they thought he had in his wife marcia thought well, you have to do this. And maybe it is part of this very religious evangelicals and maybe this is part of gods plan for us. Jane to think we should try taking questions from the audience. Bob yes. Jane lets see what is going on at their prayed bob thank you so much. Let me see if i can figure this out. What are people asking. Can you see the questions as well. Bob no i cant. Speech of what he thinks hope was willing to put himself on tape with such incriminating information contradictory to what he was saying in public. Bob i think he kind of just became part of his day orders week. We would talk. I was writing a story. And as you know jane, when you have time to think and plan, i can say okay what is going on. What is going on in the world that i want to ask him about. For instance, on may 25th, george floyd was killed. It set off an awareness of race relations. And so i was able to ask from and i said your man of white privilege. I am a man of point privilege also. My father was a judge and a lawyer in illinois. Do you understand the pain and anger that black people feel. This is on tape. And he just said well bob, you sure drink the koolaid. I dont feel that is all. He just mocked me. So you can see in this case and dozens of other cases i believe what he really felt. Jane is another question. Compass up often highly critical of the news Media Outlets that are not explicitly in line with this abuse. How did you get trump to speak so candidly to you about what he knew about the coronavirus in the early days. And is related to the skin. I have to add little bit to this. As a fellow reporter. I heard way back that you have a special time when you thought it was best to approach people to interview them. It was now or like any ready for dinner like when they lined up for themselves a drink and be loosening up a little bit. Another president doesnt drink. What is the windward technique to get people to just own themselves. Bob you know what you have to do, one of the things, and you know this a well. Everywhere but particularly in washington. Everyone takes themselves very seriously it is not true. And when you are talking and interviewing somebody, you have to take them as seriously as they take themselves. So you want to ask openended questions. Want to follow up and you never do like some reporters there will have an interview, set up letter to the clock and 112 and 11. I always leave optimistically, for hours on the end of an interview so i can go as long and rarely do they go for hours but sometimes they do. But it creates not a sense of oh, i have to go someplace. Ive got to do something. I think you communicate that to the person youre interviewing. And often, their quite willing to engage. You need to think. You need to follow. Will release some of the states about the Supreme Court. It is. Amazing stuff. It is not stuff that trump would go say out by the helicopter floor in the oval office. I think he grew comfortable with it. And he said a number of times, youre asking good questions. These are good questions. I like to hear what you are inquiring about. And often overlapped and converged you with the news of the day. She didnt do you think it plays into his people of often described him as a narcissist. And that he loves to talk about and think about himself. Did you find that to be true of him. Bob technically, i am not a psychiatrist. This person is narcissist. This is not. The psychiatric slight, as white as far as i am concerned. So i dont think thats way. Im not working that way. But in working towards us getting, straighten detailed in the answer as possible. Jane heres a question it is about a very specific thing a piece of news that you had a new book. It would he make of the president s talk about a powerful new weapon. In the book you say you could not confirm it. Since then, have you gained any insight into what it is. Bob yes. He said just out of the blue. He has a new Nuclear Weapon that even put in the chinese president does not know about it is the most destructive thing in the world and so forth. And i asked people about it. And some people said yes, no such a weapon. And its on the drawing board but not part of the arsenal yes breeden somebody else, couple of people thought, no that there is something. Its one of the trump mysteries that quite frankly, i could not answer in the book. I asked people they said no yes, it exists that we cannot talk about it kind of seriously. Some experts that i talked to since say is not intent no such weapon. Jane you fight him to be surprising anyway for different from what you were expecting. Bob announced bring an expectation. Because again, i think that can be a barrier to opening 70 up. Jane s are different picture of him than the media painted of him. Bob absolutely. He would let me repeatedly go at him and say no wait minutes. On april 5th. I spent a long time, i did then reporting on how do you deal with the virus. I had a dozen areas like testing and international coordination. And i went through them one by one with him. And it i asked him if he thought about this and people that we talk to lynn went through all 12 of them. And he said did you read the stone. I said yes, and he said can we go over them again. As if he were going to write them down or he had someone in the room writing them down. Then my wife else i was listening. Because it was on the speakerphone. And she said it sounds like youre telling the president was anew. And im not trying to tell them what to do. Im trying to tell him what my reporting shows. In the bottom line summation is mobilization. People want to know that its kind of a manhattan project. Like roosevelt had denied to the atomic bomb. And when roosevelt committed that famous moment in 1930 no and 102039, what einstein wrote roosevelt the private letter saying that all of this business of uranium and so forth and einstein was just getting going on this at this point and said, somebody could make a bomb. A devastating bomb. And what did roosevelt do. He did not say no, i dont want any people. He told them, action now. And set up the manhattan project. In six years later, that was realized in the first atomic bomb exploded over hiroshima. In the debate, determined to the right thing. To shorten the war. But what roosevelt did in that case is prepared the nation and said, action no. And trump, lets not panic is what he said. Jane it seems like you are having conversations with him when you were pushing back in ways thats maybe his advisors didnt. Difelice kind of isolated. Bob i think he is isolated by his own lack of curiosity and lack of organization. Lack of intellectual stamina. Im gonna make this decision. Ask six people for what pay for three or one. And so often, he wont ask anyone. He will just do it really will just tweeted out. We need to be reminded and this is a partisan, out of the facts that are on the table. The virus is a moving train. In a thousand people are dying a day now as i was saying. The expert say it will get worse. We can have convergence with the regular blue and god knows what will be presented with in the coming months. And we have a leader who like a mask. There is Robert Redfield, the head of the cdc sing under oath. In a redfield. Hes a devout catholic. He is somebody who is devoted and has devoted his life to protecting the United States from pandemics and health crises. And he is up there under oath this week telling Congress Wear a mask. In fact it may be the more important than the vaccine. The study said. Then trump hears about this. And has a press conference, he simply called redfield and redfield was confused. He did not know what he was saying. God help us. God help us if you have the president of the United States calling the doctor and saying, i didnt like your diagnosis. It doesnt fit my political or whatever is going through my head moment. And as you know, people piled on sing redfield is not a guy who is going to Say Something that is not medically supported and sound. And trump still wont put out mask order. Secretary Steve Mnuchin not even let, probably the worlds expert on this issue, Robert Redfield tell the congress under oath what he thinks without trying to restated and call them up and then to say that he was confused. That, i dont want to use the word. But, that is outrageous behavi behavior. I have talked with trump about this. Youre in charge of the national interest. This is the leadership moment for you. And he would say, no. And i would say look, the virus, is with the election is going to be about. Of course us now. The problem with the go. Anyway. Sorry to interrupt we could do what it is 8 00 oclock and then to get you to the release of the tapes. Thank you both bob and jane. Jane thank you so much. Bob thank you. Bob im getting a little worked up about this if you may have noticed. To everyone watching, thanks again. From all of us here at politics and prose bookstore stay well and stay well read. Jane thank you. With four days left until election day, on november 3rd, when Voters Decide who will control akasaka pay the white house next year. Summa cspan, watch campaign 2020 coverage every day on cspan. Stream or on demand at cspan. Org. Partisan of the cspan radio app created your place or an unfiltered view of politics. She spans washington journal, everyday were taking real calls, flame in the air. Hundreds of the day and we will discuss policy issues that will impact you. Coming up saturday morning, inside elections, discusses the race and could determine which Party Controls the senate. 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