The two candidates, donald trump and former Vice President joe biden. To spread their message and turn the tide to battleground states, this election is rather unusual. They are squelching the campaign trail in rallies. Then there is the Lincoln Project, Political Action committee by influential republicans including attorney george conway, New Hampshire gop chair jennifer horn, republican political strategist retailing, and john weaver and our guest here today, rick wilson and Steve Schmidt. Republican pack founded by a bunch of republicans doesnt sound that unusual but unlike traditional republican packs the Lincoln Project is spending millions to defeat the republican president ial candidate and his supporters in the senate. Wilson and Steve Schmidt will give us an update on the state of the 2020 raising the Lincoln Project, rick got his start as a political strategist in the 1988 president ial campaign of george w. Bush, provided Strategic Counsel to political candidates, National Campaign committee and corporate association, editor at large for the daily beast and frequent analyst on cnn and msnbc and author of the 2018 number one New York Times bestselling book everything trump touches dies. Steve is a communications and Public Affairs treasure list and Political Affairs analyst for nbc news. He has served as a political strategist for george w. Bush, governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and senator john mccain. He calls himself a republican until june of 2018 when he renounced the Republican Party is fully the party of trump. Welcome to the National Press club. Good to be with you. Thank you for having us. So glad to have you. We were talking earlier before we started and steve was talking about intuition, i want to know between the two of you, when did you have the intuitional when did you realize you needed to create the Lincoln Project . We want to know who called you, who sent the first email, the first meme, what is the background . Going back to 2018, we kicked off an effort late in the 2018 cycle, to do it competently, kept talking and in december of 19, we were alarmed watching the democratic debates. There was a name that was infrequently heard and that name was trump. We think he is the first issue in the race, second issue in the race, tertiary issue in the race, the next 155 after that. We have a point of view that what the race is about is the worst president in the history of the country. That was before covid19. What we now know is donald trump lied to the country which he told on at least 120 different occasions which is the virus was a hoax, created by the democrats, it would just go away. It is without precedent, the most lethal lie in American History. If we had the same mortality rate in the United States germany did there would be 150,000 more americans alive today. The consequence of that lie has devastated the economy, broken 1 million dreams, shattered the American Dream for thousands of small businesses. Corrupted education for every kid in this country. And it has wrecked the american way of life. Grandparents cant see their grandkids being born, christenings and baptism and bar mitzvahs and first communions, not this year. Weddings, tailgates, football, proms, it is all gone, and it is because of donald trump. On top of it by the time we get to the end of covid19 it may be it kills one out of every 1500 black people in this country. That is a Staggering Number that speaks to the profound inequities that exist in our society from access to medical care to economic inequality, and trump is the biggest problem the country faces and the most easy one to fix, true about the 2016 election, whomever that election was about, the person who was losing the election, 99 of the election about trump until james comey made it about Hillary Clinton in the last weekend by 78,000 books across three states trump won. The point of view has always been it is about trump. Why didnt you do Something Back in 2016 . We all did. We all tried to approach it in ways, and slowly devour the second part of 2016, this was running against Hillary Clinton, almost demonic role in the republican political place and a lot of republicans we tried to reach who said i vote with you guys are vote against trump i cannot vote against hillary. The chaos bubble of all these Republican Voters became very large and increasingly problematic. It is a moment when the partys collapse was happening and it took us around the block a few times to recognize the degree to which the moral and political collapse of the party was occurring. These are people who said they believed in the constitution and the will of law and individual liberty and the fundamental predicates of america and what happened, that turned out to be a complete illusion, they eagerly jumped into this authoritarian personality cult of donald trump. I would add two things to that that i said over the 16 election. I was an analyst on msnbc on a network and i said two things in 16. First thing i said was the observation that in the 1930s fascism didnt rise because it was strong but because democracy was weak. The second thing i said was i thought there was a real black of imagination in the American Mind that the capacity for someone like donald trump sitting behind the resolute desk in the oval office to cause a profound tragedy and both of those things holds true. Both rick and i were unapologetically taught by trump for the duration of the 16 race and what is difference between today and then, you have a lot of republican senators and governors who werent saying it themselves but saying keep it up, add a boy, good job, that is important, couldnt agree more, one by one by one what we have watched for two years is the total capitulation to trump, and donna four year basis, it is important to understand what occurred. You can understand that through the Republican Convention. What you saw at the Republican Convention is the Third LargestPolitical Party the world, the democrats are first, the labour party the second, the story party the second, what you saw was the Party Platform become a statement of obedience and loyalty to trump, to be a republican in Good Standing requires faithfulness to a cult of personality. What did you see at that convention . You saw the convention breathtaking lying you had never seen at any convention, the use of taxpayer dollars and public property for political purposes, you saw the seizure of the symbols of the republic by trump who turned them into partisan totems and expressions of his authority. In essence declaring i am the truth, i am the law, i am the state. In that now we see with trump saying maybe we will have a peaceful transition of power and maybe we wont, without much pushback from people who call themselves conservatives. Lets talk about that, there is something going on in the senate right now. What is it you guys think is happening with the traditional republicans who have not spoken up, who have not spoken out against donald trump . In one word it is cowardice. These are people afraid of a new tweet, afraid of trumps face, afraid of fox news, that fear defines their whole character, whether is marco rubio or Josh Holliday or ted cruz, the one thing they care about is avoiding Donald Trumps either. They have sold themselves out, they can never be trusted or believed ever again. The response to the president , i am agnostic about a peaceful transition of power and the response to a president who turns anonymous federal forces on Peaceful Protesters is not a bible verse being tweeted out or elliptical statement, and men and women of integrity and honor, they would be defending the country and our freedoms and the constitution, they would be standing up against grant rampant abuse of executive power and they are not. They are too afraid, too sold out to do that. Host are we going to see a new justice put in place . Is that going to happen . We may well, we may well. Probably. I ran two Supreme Court confirmations when i was in the bush administration, Stephanie Cutter to be publicly supportive, the obama administration, there are consequences to president ial elections, the refusal to give a duly appointed nominee of an incoming president a hearing, we look at this moment right now, this is precisely what James Madison wrote about in federalist 10 when he talked about the danger of parties and fashions and authoritarianism and the question is republicans can go out and say we lied, screw you, we are in charge and putting it through, you can say that, you can say listen, we made a mistake, we now realize how important these nominees are so we have to you could say that. What you cant say as it is in the public good. That is what federalist 10 is about, the public good. Is endangered by factions that sales a sales and assaults minority rights and democrats represent a majority of the country by popular vote in a president ial election and the majority of the country by popular vote representation in the senate so this is a moment you look at the divisions in the country where we had moral or competent Political Leadership there would be an understanding this is a moment for restraint. That is what wisdom would dictate. We are not going to see that. As a tactical matter, derailing Supreme Court nomination, stopping it is not unlike robbing a train. If you want to go to the train robbery business, the first thing you got to figure out before you get to the train is how to stop the train. How to slow it down, how to get on the train and that is what democrats have to be thinking about. Slow it down. Slow it down, slow it down, slow it down. How should the democrats be perceiving the Lincoln Project . Is the Lincoln Project allied, allies of convenience, are there tips you have for the Democratic Party they should be taking from you . We are part of a Broad Coalition the views donald trump as an accidental threat to this country. We dont have to agree on every philosophical or political prior. We dont have to agree on every policy question. We often joke we would love to be back fighting about whether the marginal tax rate will be 38. 6 or 34. 9 . That would be a fantastic world to live in. We are here because we have a collective set of skills and abilities and experiences that are effective in moving voters in this country. We have identified, i wrote a book about it, democrats often fall into simple traps and often fall into simple mistakes and campaigns. We kept this race as a referendum on donald trump, not an argument about Climate Change or guns or abortion or anything else, the worst president in American History and it is a choice, the one four more years a do you want to make a change and do Something Else . We are happy to work with and alongside people, people who are behind us, we were ahead for a long time, a Broad Coalition, the most interesting thing isnt that people are tuning up and getting, and and objections to trump, i want to add, we view ourselves as a pro Democracy Organization and historically my view has been the republican and democratic parties are two of the most important institutions not just in our countrys history but World History for the advancement of Human Dignity and freedom. Which is why i never had and always hated when republicans call the Democratic Party the Democrat Party because it implies a level of disrespect for one of our greatest american institutions and the party should be called by its name which is the Democratic Party. That party, the Democratic Party, is the only Political Party out of the two major parties we have in this moment, the ideas and ideals of the country, to american democracy. Trump is an authoritarian ideology. We should make no mistake with its hostility to our freedoms, to the first amendment, to the election process and all of it. An organization that has several million followers, close to half 1 million donors, and substantial resources to fight back against trumpism. We mean that as a rooted ideology, something that wasnt four years ago, when republicans lose and biden will win, democrats will take the Senate Majority today at least, if republicans do lose what will happen to the party can be understood by observing what happens to the california party. As Political Parties shrink they are like white stars collapsing astronomically. They become smaller, the become denser and they become harder. The Republican Party as it shrinks, becoming more extreme. One of the things that is always analyzed, if that is a word in the press, is trump has 96 support in the Republican Party, true, however, that party is substantially smaller than it was your go, two years ago, three years ago. What will happen if trump loses, hes not going away, trumpism isnt going away, you will see a more extreme ideology, in that space for a long time, we are on the side of the Liberty Party in the country and second to that in 30 more seconds it seems to us as a matter of principle that we need to have a new Voting Rights act in this country, a new Civil Rights Act in this country, we have an election, fundamental ethics reform, fundamental Civil Service reform, Immigration Reform finally passed, we will be an organization that supports Vice President biden in all and any of these things. As an American Organization who understands we are in an hour of crisis and danger in this country because of trump and the cowardice of the Republican Party who refused to exercise their power to put a check on him from his indecency to his abuses of power. Is it time for a third party in the United States . We are not in the Party Building business, we are in the democracy business. We think largely the country, if you have the brought argument, or liberal Political Party, the idea of having a centerright party that believes in things that Republican Party claims it represented, we dont know what the end of this election cycle looks like but we are stuck with trumpism for a while, between nationalist populism, authoritarian and racially charged politics, and a party of economic liberty and individual freedom. What that looks like i dont know. Donald trump has fundamentally poisoned the brand of the Republican Party. May emerge as a Trumpian Party that looks like something we havent seen in our politics before, and even though people who used to say the bushes of been around too long or the kennedys have been around too long, they had a certain modesty about their public service, a certain degree, acting as parasites on the american body politics and it is very likely we will see the Republican Party and 2024 look at donald trump junior as the lead candidate for their nomination and that is a terrifying prospect if you are free market conservative, and individual liberty conservative. If you are part of the personality cult it sounds like a great idea. Is it time for a thirdparty . Cant say yes but i think the Republican Party has sold out to donald trump. We dont have a centerright party and the country anymore. We still have a centerleft party and the country and if that collapsed, we have this authoritarian nationalist party on the right, i will come back to something in a second and you have a centerleft party on the left, a socialist party versus that, then i dont know what happens. There could be an independent candidate that could win. The republican coalition, 25 , 27 if the country is amassed in a cult of personality, they will never accept the legitimacy of the outcome of the election, trump will never see the legitimacy of an election that he loses, we have if you look at louisville, what i am watching on tv is armed white people with assault weapons, Tactical Gear on, walking unencumbered around louisville. A lot of them with trump hats on. Somebody needs to explain to me, someone needs to explain to me what the difference between that and thought am i looking at the early days of trumps essay . What is the difference . What is the difference . Kentucky state laws allow them to do that. Let me say the governor has discretion to protect law and order and public good, a right to say no, not today. It is not a protest march, it is an incendiary situation and we have seen it all over the country, the storming of the Michigan State capitol. Maybe it is lawful but it is dangerous and we should talk about it. Lets talk about the senate race. We have quite a few questions about people are curious, what races you are concentrating on, which states are going to flip, concentrating on the senate race . Lincoln project loves doctor al in alaska. We feel good about him, talk about doctor out. You are mute. You have a candidate who is quintessentially alaska. Both a commercial fisherman and orthopedic surgeon, a guy who in a moment of being attacked by a bear killed the bear, a big bold character and he represents essential independent character of that state. Of dan sullivan is a standard issue cookiecutter, you line him up with two and other republicans, us senators and swap them out, now has a big bold character, i like his chances a lot. In montana, tell governor steve bullock, or steve daines, another guy who looks like he was punched out of the factory the same as any other. Steve collins has continually broken her oath, continually deceived the people of maine about her intentions again and again and again, and i am so concerned, i dont know what i am going to do and she goes with trump every time. They reached the limit on that. Lindsey graham, rand paul, where are we going . Lindsey graham, i am sure steve will speak more to lindsay, we hit very hard to bring Jamie Harrison up, we are in a second Million Dollar investment in South Carolina and one of the great things about Jamie Harrison, with Lindsey Graham on some big issues and one of those, Lindsey Graham for 30 years of his career was a budget talk, fiscal discipline guy and donald trump is in office and spending money like a drunken socialist sailor, there is nothing he wont do to back up whatever spending trump wants to do. When you see Jamie Harrison who is more conservative than Lindsey Graham on spending, freetrade and now on many foreignpolicy issues, and russia and Vladimir Putin first. So we are optimistic about Jamie Harrison, it is a tough race but it is one that deserves a lot of attention because Lindsey Graham, the lowest moral character in the senate. Mike espy is tied with cindy hyde smith. You said there would be a tight race for u. S. Senate in mississippi i would have told you you were out of your mind. The landscape is shifting very quickly. North carolina is gone for the republican, colorado, arizona in bad shape for republicans. We think it is a different landscape right now. One more thing about the alaska raid, overwhelmingly prochoice state, the Supreme Court confirmation, trump gets to justice on the court, it will be devastating politically in november for a couple reasons but in the alaska race, there is another issue out there, something called the pebble mind, a hugely controversial old mind that will poison the head waters of bristol bay, salmon fishery in the world, doctor out is against it, sullivans for the mind, state is overwhelmingly against it and we will kill sullivan on that issue. Coming soon, we will go for it. We think he is the most undeserving senator, his character is loathsome, he is a principal list man, utterly selfinterested, hypocritical, the idea that he doesnt have anyones back is ludicrous. A message you will see from us in the senate race, in part the indictment which is this, an important thing. We try to be proportional, he is this or that, very cognizant when we say these things, and the best of times, worst of times, approximate to our presence in those events that everything is selfreferential. The magnitude of his graves so great and so deadly and so severe. Every one of these senators knew how deadly this was. Every one of them, trump knew how deadly this was. I am talking to the pandemic, not one of them went to the floor of the senate, gave a speech, mister president , stop this insanity. Bank a hand on the resolute desk and said stop this. Every one of them is running under the election of vote for me, i will have your back. There is phraseology from the colorful colloquialisms of people in new jersey that goes Something Like this, the only appropriate answer to that ask on the part of these incumbents. We will go forward in the South Carolina race. We like what we are seeing in this hespy race. In the espy race the confederate battle flag came down this year, stevens of mississippi, mississippi, annette senator who embarrasses the state, makes them a joke. Mississippi wants to step away from being the punchline the way alabama did with judge roy moore, espy is the candidate. Vice President Biden would not interfere with new yorks Southern District prosecuting the postpresidency should he win so what do you think the impact on the country and the government would be if this were to happen . The work of the Southern District, by some external political motivation. It should not matter, no one including the former president should be above the law. No one should be protected by the Justice Department from prosecution if they have committed actionable crimes. The flip side of this, donald trump wants the Justice Department to defend him and attack his enemies, he said repeatedly that somebody should be investigated, someone, lock her up, those things are an amateur constitutional government. Those things are anathema to the american form of government. I dont want the heavy hand of politics weighing on either side of any prosecution in the country. The only thing worse than one Political Party that embraced the lock them up philosophy is two Political Parties that embrace it. I agree with everything rick said about accountability under the law but part of our conservatism we are rooted in pragmatism. And look, any considered prosecution of trump, i hope the people that are considering it in those position, approach it from a frame of wisdom and restraint with a vision of we have to move beyond this. It will take a long time to move beyond it and we dont want to exacerbated. Weve got a big problem in this country and the big problem the big problem is we had 30 of the country that is completely checked out of reality, that is surrendered themselves to cult of personality, that is manipulated, politicized and increasingly extreme and is illiberal. Its a core concept about its the government of the people, for the people, by the people. Not a government for the advancement of the leader. They have lost contact with our democratic values. Talk to us about the role the Justice Department and bill barr is playing in the lead up to the election right now, in your vie view. Hes like americas first interior minister. It is a horrifying prospect that you have the attorney general of the United States declaring municipalities as an artist territories, and artist controlled cities in order to engage in a political stunt to assist the Trump Campaign to turn out their base. It is horrifying that she had the attorney general of the United States seeking to defend the president , to use the resources of the federal government to defend the president and a Sexual Assault case from before his time in office. It is more find your bill barr going out there and attempting to quash the publication of books that have already gone through the legitimate security review process because they contain information that is not classified but rather embarrassing to the president and reflective of the slow character. The list of things billac barr s engaged in in t terms of tryingo put up the durham report, to smear the investigation into Donald Trumps connections to theat russians, and a host of other things, including distorting and lie about the contents of the Mueller Report and blocking the release of grand jury testimony relevant to congress about it. Theres a full spectrum where we will look back as donald trump as the worst president will look back as bill barr as a reckless, absolute lawless individual who was determined to break the role of the Justice Department as a fairly independent Party Executive register into the trump families personal arm, legal and political arm. Im sorry, lisa. Its all good, go ahead. We need to understand something, the ability to recognize your in a pot and the water is getting harder not to be the proverbial one, in that sense, it means something. Mitt romney accurately and correctly calls out the work of a senate chairman, ron johnson using his committee for political purposes, partisan purposes, which is inappropria inappropriate, specifically this purpose to attack the candidacy of the democratic nominee using russian disinformation, which is what it is what happens when you start using the instruments of the state in pursuit of your policy objectives to punish your opponents . With ukraine, which is what i thought was under emphasize in the coverage in regard to the trump shakedown is this, if the president or administration can instigate a criminal investigation based on bs, the former Vice President of the u. S. , they can do that to anybody we are at a line where its only inches now to cross into the territory where you will see if there is a second trump term t use these institutions overtly, not in defense of but for the purposes of punishment for his political opponents. See you gave the Justice Department, tax authorities and others to do just that. Gave us a look into your crystal ball and basically said you think joe biden will win, split the congress, how much cash getting a lot of questions and, how big of a margin you think biden would need to win an order yorty said trump will not accept the wind but how big of a margin does he need, i guess, for there to be Public Acceptance of the wind . Where does the Electoral College come in as well . The Electoral College is the only thing that matters joe biden can win by 40 million votes and if donald trump when the Electoral College, youre going to be in the fight forever, its it will never go away so it has to be a decisive electoral victory, and i mean that it cant be like separated by 20 or 30, it needs to be significant or trump will try to do what he does and break it. What is the significance . I would like to see joe biden somewhere in the three 30 range, thats a lot, it is a big jump but we need to have a decisive victory to break the back of trumps him, i get so big they cant teach. Florida is really important, florida is huge. What is it looking like now leading up to the end of the election . We are going to be somewhere around, by the end of this cycle somewhere around 60 to 65 million, maybe a little more if we continue on our pace and you will be deployed with significant resources in the closing weeks. We know michael has, other additional folks, any names that have joined that we dont know about were lending huge support, republicans who wont mind being named . Its not like getting into harvard or anything. [laughter] [laughter] we dont really even haze anymore. All right, i got two more questions before i get to that, before i asked my final question, i want to send a shout out to all the folks who helped organize todays panel. You have been really great. The headliners co team leaders, donna and roy, Headliners Team member and National Press club member, danny who organized todays event, Lindsay Underwood and executive director, bill. My son questions to end this, first, if 2020 was a horror movie, what movie would it be . Steve. The movie that always terrified me the most is the figure reminds me of trump, trucks [laughter] i feel like i am trapped in the house and there is this Little Orange guy running around all the time the knife, trying to get you. [laughter] okay. Rick. The shining. Donald the doughboy. [laughter] thats so good. Looks like we have more time than i thought we would have, we got time for one more question. [laughter] i cant get over the chucky vision in my head right now, thanks for the thats really special. Right . Best question. [laughter] you shorted. Another question, you said you are like a coalition of many frankie, when you are talking, you sounded like have been talking to nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer because you basically spit out a number of topics and to be concerned about. Get something, how much in common do you have with the Democratic Party and moving down the line, what recommendations do you have for the party itself . I believe this with all my heart, we have much more in common than we do in disagreement as americans. The national motto, out of many, one. We have to reconnect to the centrality of this idea. You think about the nations greatest president and consider that 600,000 people were killed in a war fought in a nation where there were 25 million in the north and 9 million in the south, 5 million white, 4 million slaves he talked at the end of the war about charity for all, malice toward none, to care for the widow and orphan and find a the wounds of the nation. You look at what is going on in louisville, a moral president would be with the governor, the state, maybe on the ground with mcconnell, with black church leaders, leaders of the black Community Calling for calm. Not rooting for claims to start. So we need a leadership in this country thats devoted pragmatically to fixing problems. I was always for the Republican Party, i was a republican because i worry macaques would bankrupt the country. I dont know what that means anymore in a month where republicans are spending 3 trillion. Theres no limited Government Party in this country and thats why we needed some sort of centerright, some sort of centerright but pandemic is one of the great crises in the history of this country. We have to get through this. We have to rebuild our economy and we have to look now, all of us, the 20 year mark or the 21st century, how is it going . The country is in decline. We have a decayed and political run political class. We have real issues of income inequality are not different than what Teddy Roosevelt was dealing with, one, 20, 110 years ago. When you look at Companies Like facebook and others, we have a right as a people to decide how big and powerful, how injurious these Companies Get to be. Theres going to be a lot of issues we have to discuss. You look at the beginning of the era of Artificial Intelligence at this location coming from technology, we have enormous issues in this country and we cant stay on this path. This has been a tragic four years so sounds like i have things in common with nancy pelosi, ab its nothing more than recognition of reality and problems in understanding we have to get back to the ability to sit in a room across from each other and do business with each other. We ought to be able to think about this country and longer than two week increments. One last thing in conclusion, i was reading axioms last week, it was trying to interpret who was up and who was down on the covid negotiations between the senate, house leadership and the white house. It was wellwritten but the explication of it was like something from the beautiful minds movement, movie math formulas on the blackboard. To take on this from inside the beltway trying to explain in the House Democrats shafting the senate republicans, like stop it. [laughter] stop it. Its with the country is screaming for so yeah, we have a couple Million People and halfmillion donors who put real money into this you want to be a force for good, moving stuff forward in this country again. Weve got to get out of this disaster. Rick. I want to add one thing to what he mentioned, the first two years of the Biden Administration are not going to be locked by the Green New Deal or anything, they will be marked by getting this country tuned up to respond to a covered pandemic that donald trump mismanaged fatal consequences. It will not immediately change, they will click on the resolute desk and he will have to use a very maybe more, very hard work ahead of him before we can even start to go back with the old ideological. The response to call it has to be economic, humanitarian, it has to be scientific and that will eat up the vast majority and in some ways, president is testified in a giant crisis, can become one of the greats. The president tested by something so overwhelming can become a great president. Donald trump was tested by this and failed. He will be cumulated a history, the worst of all our president s for as long as the country survives but joe biden is a moment that will require more than ideology, it will require dedication and competence and i believe the people in this country deserve leadership thats honest, committed to the fundamental predicates of this country and willing to do the hard work. I will predict you will not see joe biden at a golf course three times a week you wont see him picking bs fights with reporters everyday. Well strap down and get the work done its like doctor radical confidence will mark the way the future. I realize i have not asked the question i should have asked at the beginning, what about kanye west . I am not saying he is a gold digger but the amount of resources the Trump Campaign clearly put in to get kanye on the ballot in the way they completely botched is both cynical and horrible and hilarious an equal mixture. Last night, i was going through some of my emails and i was looking at the pool report from when the president came in something he said, he is asked, what his message is after the Breonna Taylor link. She gone back to louisville a couple times, i just wanted to mention this, President Trump said no, my message is that i love the black community and i have done more for the black community than any other president and i say with the exception of Abraham Lincoln, and i made opportunities with criminal justice and Prison Reform and what we have done for historically black colleges and universities, nobody has done more, Abraham Lincoln, lets give him a nod, he added but beyond that, nobody done more. I love the black community. In the midst of the pandemic and everything we are looking at, i look at something my mom told me, back in the day, many blacks used to vote republican what is your message to black americans support donald trump and two black americans who might be confused about where they are going and what will happen after the election . We are going to trumps comments, there is an old saying that i remember my dad teaching me, you cant fix stupid and you cant fix crazy. He is both. I think he is overtly stoking racial animus in this country, the likes of which weve not seen since George Wallace was on the scene. We saw what i would say to anyone, i would never gain his speech for the black community but i would say this, there was a couple who appeared at the national convention, the muscat c. Who are they . Well, they live next door to a synagogue and the children of the synagogue put together honey bee hives to grow honey for russia sean. Apparently the hives were slightly over the Property Line so what did he do . He called the synagogue, he said this bothers me, it is over my Property Line, they went back with an ax and destroyed the hives. When peacefully marching black protesters came by his house, him and his wife came out and pointed recklessly firearms they obviously, from the pictures, had no idea how to handle, and for the achievement, they were given a primetime address at the Republican National committee with a talked about how black and brown people would soon be invading america, later that evening, that gates incited people culture work with black and brown people and the next day, a 17yearold in illinois take his ar 14 and went to kenosha and shot three people. Make no mistake, that kid sat in the front row of the trump valley, was radicalized by trump, radicalized by the voices of info wars a and and facebook and fox news and the class these and all of it. When he said there both sides in debate, he is hostile to civil rights, equal rights and what i would say to any young black man, understand the case from when i was a young man at 18 of the central part. Talk about this a lot, and i am not immune to it either. The strength of the Biden Campaign is b is being underreported by the media. And the frailty of the Trump Campaign is being underreported because no one wants to be wrong two elections in a row. Right . With 16 16 anna getty. Human nature is human nature on this. But if i can, just tell like a quick story. At the beginning of the civil war, William Sherman wrote a letter to a friend talking about that the country was doomed. That Abraham Lincoln was a backwards barbarian head was undereducated, had no capacity to deal with the secession of the union. And he sent that letter to a friend of his who was down and out on his luck. Selling firewood out on a corner in ohio in his hometown. That friends name was you alyssas grant. They blast on the get together at the headwaters of the janes intern james river at that union armies encampment shortly before the war ended. It was a lesson they sought lincoln and he talked about his vision for reconciliation in the country. I was sherman was asked to reflect on lincolns life, after the assassination he said that he had met all of the great men of the world where hed met the industrialist, the kings, the generals, hed never met any man who possessed morbid qualities of greatness and kindness in his heart and Abraham Lincoln. And what has always been true about the country, is that it has produced leaders almost providentially the right moment. Dwight eisenhower was a colonel in the army who would not been promoted 12 years in 1940. Rosa parks was just a lady who wanted to go home it was just too tired to get up from her seat. Any young a baptist minister in atlanta became a global force for justice. Ordinary people. And so when you look at joe biden and you look at his story, we looked down at the Lincoln Project, right . We have expectations of greatness from joe biden. Because the joe biden that we see getting ready to step on this debate stage is the man three times he ran for president for he has been publicservice since he was 29 part he has reached the hour of his destiny. The choice that joe biden very specifically represents is the difference between a good man and of said man, decent man and a dishonest man. I recognize global statement and international laughingstock. We have so many lies we have some of us a potential for empathy through his goodness and decency, through his love of country and is the enemy with the potential to put that man and a power which we think is a prerequisite for an American Restoration so this country doesnt slide into an abyss. Okay. I cant tell you how much ive enjoyed this conversation. Rick, im sorry you didnt get a word in edgewise. [laughing] so next time, the two of you when they do actually come to the National Press club so that we can actually give you the National Press club mode in person. Thank you so much for joining us, and until next time, thank you for your time. Thank you for having us. Our campaign 2020 coverage continues with candidates campaigning and debating. Cspan, your unfiltered view of politics. President trump speaks an atlanta this afternoon about his plan to boost Economic Opportunities for black americans. Live coverage at 1 30 p. M. Eastern on cspan2. Sunday night on q a, 2020 prize finalist talks about his book of furious sky which looks at the history of hurricane destruction in the u. S. As this massive hurricane barreling directly into the house is pushing an enormous wave essentially special on the righthand side of the hurricane and the enormous amount of water. Water. It was that amount of water with waves crashing tumbling on top of the that slant into galveston that day and essentially turned galveston into a lake. Sunday night at 8 p. M. Eastern on cspans q a. Postmaster general louis dejoy spoke with the Economic Club of washington, d. C. About Postal Service operations at its handling of mailin ballots for the 2020 election. He talked about the impact of the coronavirus on the Postal Service workforce. This is 45ce minutes. Let me first not go to our special guest, the postmaster general louis dejoy. Mr. Dejoy, thank you for giving us your time today. Thank you, david for having and what to thank the economic ub