This is fun to ask you questions again. It feels like old times. We are back into the normal routine. Your book is less about President Trump and more about you. Its about your time at the white house, but i wanted to ask you you do have some behindthescenes tales, but shortly theres some dirty laundry that you dont reveal. Let me ask how do you choose whats not to include . Guest there are so many books out there that have kind of been negative and the nasty score settling and that is into im as a person. Number two, i wanted people to get a different side into different perspective and frankly after two and a half years in the white house and another year on the campaign of my experience working for the president was a positive one. I loved my job, i liked the people i worked with. With. That doesnt mean we didnt have difficult days and ther and othf moments i would love to walk out for the rest of my life but overall, i really believed in what they were doing, and i enjoyed working for the president , and i actually liked my colleagues so i wanted a book that reflected that and that is what i tried to capture. Host one thing that caught my eye, the discussion about syria was on the table and the president asked you for your opinion coming to your recommendation on what to do in this comment to you as interesting. Talk about can you say what you recommended . Guest i cant tell you exactly because some of those moments are still classified discussions. But one of the things i loved most about the president i prest he really listened to everybody in the room and took into account everybodys thoughts and feelings. He wasnt necessarily looking to me for military advice. But just a different perspective. And he empowered i think the people around him to have opinions to share and speak up, so i always appreciated but no matter what the situation was, he involved me in that kind of situation, and that is one of the examples that i could show him doing that. Host there was another part where you talk about the preparations and the confirmatioconfirmation of suprt Justice Brett kavanaugh and you talk about how difficult that was and how difficult the full period was. In fact its one of the things you felt you had to ask about. Did that help to formulate the white house officials opinion about this happened in that period of his life, or tel wifea little bit about that. Guest i think for most people, we already felt very comfortable and very confident in Justice Kavanagh and what he had walked us through. One of the things we knew was going to happen is nothing but mosalso the limits in grilling m and he had to be fully prepared. It didnt make it any less uncomfortable, future Supreme Court justice about his, you know, whether he liked to drink beer. The whole world knows by now that he did, and even more uncomfortable, talking to him about any relationship he has particularly the most intimate details of his personal relationship. The other part that made it uncomfortable it wasnt just back and forth, but this was a closed door setting. We knew the questions they were asking would likely be in public and for me as a parent, that made the process much more difficult and i think that we saw the emotion from Justice Kavanagh in the room that day and the whole world watched in astonishment in some way when he talked about his feelings throughout the process and just the spirit of that so it was necessary but it didnt make ity more comfortable that we had to ask those questions. Host and youve actually played the role of Dianne Feinstein guest i think that is the only time in my life that i can say that. I want to avoid being in spite of senator feinsteins head and trying to think like she does. I really dont understand what the thought process and thats fine, but it was interesting to try to take on that role and be somebody that i fundamentally politically disagree with that try to embody the person in that moment. Another part of the book that captured a lot of attention is the north korea section. You have a lot of time on that and theres so many interesting anecdotes that i didnt know about. You talked about you referred to secretary of state mike pompeo, theres just so many great things in there that i wanted to ask you about. Guest one of the reasons that i thought it was important to have an entire chapter on it is because i do think that its been a big part of the presidency that while its been covered, its not all those things that lead up to the meeting so i wanted to highlight that and also share my experience watching him as a leader on the global stage and there was entertainment value because there were some interesting moments. Certainly having made a start on the actual day itself, the very first thing a phone call with Dennis Rodman joking with the president and chief kelly about the link from kim jong id will go down as one of the more memorable days of my lifetime. Host at anything he wanted to say getting out of singapore, the only chance that he will live or die. She joked about it. It was kind of a moment of either we are going to develop a better relationship and continue to make progress or maybe we dont and things go a totally different direction. Thankfully that didnt happen. I do think that there was some progress made. Certainly the no one is under the impression that getting him to give up his Nuclear Weapons is going to be an easy task i any stretch of the imagination. But the president did give some concessions from north korea and did make a lot of progress and certainly from where we started coming off that long before the meeting where the president was talking about fire and fury and who worked better. Host the president was talking about missed calls and the motorcade arrived and they were waiting for things to start. There was another and even a little bit on the edge and the president said what did i miss the end they said you missed calls from the members of congress. Tell us about that. Guest its no secret the president is an avid golfer and Close Friends with John Nicholas and somebody has done a very long time and when his name came up on the list of missed calls you could feel a little spark from the president. I think that he wanted somebody to have a lighthearted conversation with. I think he knew anybody talked to that was in the senate or the house would want to focus solely on you should do this or you should do that. He wasnt looking for advice he just wanted to talk to a friend and they had a nice kind of lighthearted exchange before the president went on for just a few minutes after to one of th her e most historic meetings probably in u. S. History. Host his last phone call was to jack nicholas. Just some fun details in their you talk about when you are sitting down and it was the secretary of state and National Security adviser john bolton, john kelly and then on the north korean side hinge on and his sister and you said something to mike pompeo as we were sitting down. Guest this is an intense meeting. The state are high and i was hoping i could lighten the mood a little bit or make the joke that secretary pompeo, and he joked back with me. I said mr. Secretary, do you think im the only person here that either ~ somebody or ordered somebody to be killed. He looked around the world and seven yeah, you are the only one. I said that isnt exactly what i was looking for. I was meaning to lighten this up so there was that exchange waiting for things to kick off a. Of stuff you said you were the first mom who became a White House Press secretary. If of europe is focused on motherhood and the love of the children in your life and your own mother and how they balance in that role being a wife and another and beinamother and beiy demanding role at the white house. You do not shy away from getting into some of that. You get into that labor with your child and you talk about the epidural and things you said when you were in the hospital. And then you also tell some very unvarnished stories about the stress of the same things that were happening in your kids lives. And actually one example, you have to pretend that your sons birthday was on a different day because you knew they were not going to be able to be there on a specific day. Share some of the joys of that and things that you describe about being a mom and also the press secretary. Guest in addition to wanting people to have another side of the president , i wanted people to have a better idea of who i was really share my own story and i didnt feel like i could do that if i didnt open up in a way other people could relate to. Some of the things in talking to my friend and women around the country as we can be our own worst enemies. They can be very hard on one another so it was important to open myself up and that is one of the reasons that i thought extensively implement the reasons i went into detail about postpartum depression after my child was born. I wanted women to do what they had somebody that had been where they were and were still able to open up i knew that it was important for me to open up as much as it was to share the joyous moments, too. Motherhood is one of the most exhausting and difficult things that you can ever do but its also the most incredible experience of my life is important to sharthat wasimportt side as well as the fun and funny side and keep things interesting and humbled. You may be a big deal on tv that your kid will remind you that purchased regular mom at home and i think that violence is extremely important and its one that i try to strike in the book. There is a moment that you describe george was offended because he kept waving to you and you didnt wave back. Guest he didnt understand that when i was on tv he could see me but i couldnt see him. Occasionally if i know he might get to watch i will do a little hair behind the ear so that the signal for him to know i see y you. That is the struggle of being a mom and a 24 acceptin seven jobt being able to have that, certainly not as much time as they would like to have soap one of the things that was important for us and for me in those moments was to try to be intentional and purposeful. Some days i might only have five or ten minutes and so i put my phone away and made sure that in those moments i was very focused on them and they knew that they were a priority. And i think that can be very difficult and challenging for all working moms. I wanted to talk about some of the challenges the we face and w they try to overcome some of that difficulty as well. Host you mention how your dad used to take you on a weekly breakfast and that helped you ys a child. Guest was a moment every wednesday until i graduated high school i went to breakfast with my dad and it was it didnt matter where we went. Sometimes it could be mcdonalds or they ate breakfast at home or we might go to a nicer exciting breakfast restaurant i always knew that was my time to have with my dad in it was protected iand one of the ways he showed e i was a priority. I try to do that with my kids so they understand that im spending every day the work we are doing not because we dont want to be with them but because those things are important and we want them to know that they are always a priority. Host you wrote they were not speak to the handwritten poem on their napkin. Most days we were lucky enough to not forget a drink or a snack and then there was one year it was georges birthday and you knew you were not going to be able to be home so you pretended it was a different they celebrated it and so it felt like there were many days including days he worked in an all nightean allnighter and youd had no sleep at all and had to turn around and go right back to the white house. Guest there were a lot of moments like that. Thankfully he was young enough he didnt know his birthday was celebrated todays late. I had to do that twice. Now not only is he old enough that if i thought i thought i y with it again, my oldest was quickly let me know if. That is one of the reasons i ultimately made the decision to leave the white house because i didnt want to miss any more moments like that with my kids and just stepping away allowed me to have control over my own schedule and be able to be a part of those moments and thought this out. Going back to talking about the perfect lunches and birthday parties, i think so often we see on social media in particular its one of the more Dangerous Things you see all of the moments they went on a vacation or at a perfectly composed family photo or look at his Birthday Party they prefer their kids. We put so much pressure on ourselves to perform and to live up to the best moments of his life. If hes posting the meltdowns in the Grocery Store where the brothers and sisters fighting it out on the kitchen floor, the window getting broken. Every once in a while you stumble upon one of those moments but they put so much pressure to be perfectly forget to enjoy the moment so i tried to put an emphasis on math in my book and as a reminder to other moms and to myself that it doesnt have to be perfect to be important and for your kid to note that yoknow that you love t they matter. I think that it would take your kids to work there were some good stories. You name the kid huck its going to be a little rough round the edges and he certainly has lived up to that. He has a huge heart. As much as possible i would try to bring them to an event or somehow engage them in the process because i wanted them to know why it was important to be involved in serving the first place. I knew it would be difficult to take all three i would rotate. Bring your kid to work day it was his turn and i debated if he old enough. Other kids coming with seven, eight, 9yearsold and i decided it might not be as many opportunities for me to bring him with me to work at the white house. So, i took him with me, phone in hand waiting for the call to say i cant take anymore, but he was actually on perfect behavior and we had a great day making memories together. The big moment is to come to the white house and they would come out and greet the kids and take pictures. They had invited all of the press to bring their kids as well so i went in and i was briefing the president in the oval office and explaining to him you will go out and take the picture. A reminder, halreminder, half or parents are reporters, so you might want to watch what you say and as you can imagine he completely ignored my advice. We noticed the bushes in the rose garden started to shake and by the time i processed what was happening, his head popped off and ran full speed towards the window of the oval office and pushes his face against the glass. The president has kind of taken aback like theres a little looking into the oval office. I said yes thats my son and he kind of laughed and said well at least hes handsome. We kind of have a laugh and the president is walking down the famous colonnade and im following ten or 15 feet behind and here he comes again this time running for speed directly at the president and he sort of crouches down getting ready to receive him and read about the moment he gets in front of the president he sidesteps him, goes around him, jumps into my arm at the president looks at me like are you kidding me, this kid again. We laughed about it, but the moment gave me a little bit of happiness and it was very funny. For every kid that was out there to president is the most important person but for my son come i was. His mom is still the most important person. Host are you starting to think about your future political plan plan, your kids o much a part of your life right now. Are you starting to think about things like how would you handle covid or unemployment guest for me personally my goal is to help the president get elected in 2020 and i would love to see republicans take back the house and never have to see Speaker Pelosi again. I will make a decision about whether or not i run for office. If a president is elected we will make a decision and announcemenannouncement on the e for our family. Host you do write about some of these things and youre righwrite about but very frankly especially one time at one Christmas Party at the white house when the president and you think youyouhave to bother witho the president is telling you something about the media will let you take it from there. Host the family had taken a picture with the president and first lady and i think the boys had run off and brian was chasing them. We were standing there and the president is very tall and she isnt. He was complaining about a particular sunday show he isnt a fan of and he dropped the fbomb and i said you cant say that and he said zero. And then he cusses again a piece im sorry. He is a new yorker in the 70s and i dont think it comes as a surprise to president may use foul language from time to time. I wasnt surprised and im still hopeful my daughter didnt fully hear what he said that we kind of laughed about it and moved on pretty quickly. Another good reminder to keep track of what your kids here every once in a while. They can tell from your writing which of your colleagues had a good working relationship with and which ones you were a little less fond of. I can tell how much you like the secretary of state mike pompeo. There are other passages where there is a pretty straightforward feelings about National Security advisor john bolton and there are brief mentions of the president s strategists but not very many and you can kind of read between the lines of those thoughts. They talk about how they terrorized the communication staff and don mcghan and attention. John bolton to come out in a straightforward way of the white house staff were not happy he didnt travel on air force one if there was a moment nick baldini confronted him. Guest some people were probably thankful that he didnt is more the attitude that he expected that he shouldnt have to. There were times he would come to someone on my team and ask us to put out a statement contrary to what the president was on a particular topic. You have turned nobody elected you to everything they elected donald trump and we are there to help implement and communicate and i think that he got lost in that sometimes thinking his agenda matter as much if not more than the president and he thought he knew better than the president and i wanted to say its not your agenda if somebody elses. Its important that you are a team player support the president elect and for all of Us Donald Trump and he didnt want to do that but he didnt need to be there. I think that he made things much for difficult than they needed to be from the team and himself. Host there is one point that the then chief of staff iqbal the veiny when you guys we overseas in the uk with loose and they pretty much applauded. Guest hes a pretty laid back guy that ms wasnt he just kind of had enough. We were all sitting here in traffic in his motorcade comes buzzing by leaving everybody else find. I think that it was him taking his own path. I was shocked frankly how tough and aggressive he was in that moment because he was that fun person to be around and he laid down the law pretty heavy in the moment and everybody thats all it was frankly kind of happy that they have. Host plus two are working relationship with steve gannon and did you ever contribute any money to the project . Guest no, not to anything else. He wasnt there for very long in the white house and by the time i became press secretary he was on his way out the door. He kept to himself a lot especially in those last couple of months. But he didnt play a significant role for my time at the white house and frankly i didnt think that he played a significant role period in his limited number of days that he was the there. Host and then he came in there about 20 days as the Communications Director and you shared some stories about how essential he spoke very been a colorful way to your staff guest he came in with one mission when he arrived and he wanted to shake things up in the building. He wanted to root out the weaker is and there were people he was targeting that he wanted to be gone from the white house and in the 11 days not only did he take out other people, but they took of himself in a profanity laced exchange that he had with a reporter that ended up playing out all over the place. Unlike steve gannon, despite the fact he was only there for 11 days, there was a pretty significant interaction during that time because we were in the same office and they were both in the press communications ar area. I already had conversations prior to that day when the president let us know he would be coming in. I was told that. And he didnt think he could stay. It was a sort of oil and water situation and he didnt feel ifl like that was going to ever be something that would work out the president let us know anthony was coming in and all of that happened so fast. It took place so quickly. And i was obligated to press secretary so fast my family was on vacation and my husband, id come back early and my husband and my kids were still hiking in the mountains and i had to quickly send him a text message say i was announced as the new White House Press secretary and before i even had a chance to talk with hi and it happened tht quickly so thats why he took up a little bit more realistic in my book because that was a Pivotal Moment for me and the transition to becoming the press secretary. Host another thing i dont think that i knew was the whole kavanagh for confirmation you have a medical scare and then after you have spent a day at walter reed having some tests done yo even to a restaurant cad salt and for. Guest it is the first and only time that i think tha ivet restaurant. I had some complications and they were trying to rule out some pretty serious things including thyroid cancer. So id gone in for a pretty extensive stay of tests and it was very stressful leading up to that day and just kind of the uncertainty. We think we are going to relax and decompress for a minute and we are like we will try a little neighborhood restaurant in washington, d. C. , neighborhood and think it early enough nobody will publicly even be there. We will take this moment before we go home and throw ourselves into the evening chaos getting the kids ready for bed. We go to the restaurant, sit down and low and behold here comes Robert Mueller whose whole job is to essentially take down the president. Thankfully the tests came back and i was cleared and good and also the Mueller Report came back and was vindicated as well. It was a stressful day ended up good circumstances. Host you write about how they came to your Office One Day and said theres only one other person that knows and thats the president Robert Mueller would like to sit down with you and there is for topics you would like to talk about. If can you talk about that experience that you have a whiff of the investigation that they . Guest despite being at the front and i was in his objector target. I didnt talk about it publicly. Nobody had known that id gone until months after it happened. The probation with an attorney that helped me identify, and we sat down in a room and from the moment i came in i felt like they were treating me as though i was a common criminal even though i can voluntarily to answer questions, i was told it wouldnt take that long and i was there for six or so hours and it was intense. I felt like i was pretty wellversed on a top giving a session having been in the Briefing Room more than 100 times taking questions from the toughest journalists in the world. I felt like i could handle this but they were intense, and it was, you know, agai and i felt e they looked at me as if i were some sort of criminal instead of somebody in Government Service voluntarily. I felt like in that moment very justified in some of the pushback we had been giving to the mueller team and is further solidified in my mind that mueller really was the republican figurehead and the rest of his team were a group of angry democrats that had one mission and that was to hurt the president and all of the people around it. Host there might be some viewers are still wondering if you the truth on the firing and your smoky eye makeup. Guest we are going there. Okay. [laughter] guest do you regret telling the press is in the Briefing Room some of those days, do you regret doing what he called a perpetuating some of the falsehoods, do you regret some of those . Those . Guest if anybody perpetuated falsehood during thatheentire process, frankly is the media. For two years, they spend almost every single day perpetuating the falsehood that donald trump colluded with russia in order to win the election. I dont think that i did anything that wasnt justified, and i did a very good job at trying to illustrate the president s side and took on a lot of water fighting back against what i think turned out to be a huge waste of taxpayers time and money on a completely bogus investigation and what we now refer to as the russian witch hunt. Host do you think that it will help youwill help your cred some americans who dont think you have credibility, do you think this can help repair that or is it even targeted to the general public for conservatives or republicans . Guest i dont think that this book was, certainly not just for republicans. Anybody that liked the president is going to love this book for people who dont come if they actually will read it, i think that they might appreciate who the president is and through im. It was less about credibility. Frankly i think that i am in pretty good standing. One of the things that frustrates me is that any time democrats disagree with you or cant win an argument, they are go to movies to attack you, to call you a liar, to call you a name. I think that is the sad part of where we are as a country and unfortunately kind of their go to move and i dont see that going away. I feel very comfortable about my story and i hope people enjoy it and learn something new about the president and about me as well. Host in the Government Shutdown in january nancy pelosi came over to the white house with Chuck Schumer to talk about the shutdown and you talk about how they went to speak to the reporters afterwards and told what you call a lie in the book and you expressed some frustration about that. Share a little bit about that because i know that was a memorable day. Guest they said the president was angry and slammed the table and stormed out of the room, none of which have happened. Kevin mccarthy who was also in the room went out like i cant believe they just said that. Surely they couldnt have been in the same meeting i was because what they just described did not take place. Despite the fact i have seen a lot of political spam in my life, this was just an outright total deception on what had taken place in that room. The president came in and was pretty calm. He talked about are you ready to make a deal and do you want to talk and she said no. That was it. He was like if youre not willing to talk theres no reason for all of us to sit around here so im out, which was very memorable. The president said byebye and he walked out. I think they were so angry they havent gotten what they wanted and they tried to spin the lie of this country and say the president had stormed off and it just didnt happen that way. Host did you ever catch him in a lie, feeling like i think he just told a lie . Guest one of the things i love about this president is that you always know where he is. I think you guys know that better than anybody. Hes the most accessible pool elite copresident s willing to take questions from the media and he is his own best messenger. Sometimes that makes my job easier because hes always out there talking so you have to be able to keep up and be on pace with him that one of the things the president did the fighting o many politicians are not willing to do is he actually was the person willing to go there he was willing to talk the truth on a lot of things people were not willing to talk about. Republicans in particular leading up to the 2016 campaign. He called out the fact that we had forgotten so Many Americans for so long and that is so much of a 2016 campaign was about. He was willing to call out the fact both sides dropped the ball and i think he spent every day delivering on those things once he got elected to office. Host you have a quick way to end it seems like you have a knack for maybe sharing some guidance with him in a way that made him laugh from either able to steer him or give a little bit of advice. This one i can think of, one that sticks out is a your very first day i think when you had moved into the white house after the transition in cuba the press secretary alone in the office with other press into the phone starts ringing. Guest this was the second day on the job. I got into the office early. The phone starts ringing off the hook into the mainline so i step out of my office, go to pick up the phone and i dont even think about saying like White House Press office or any type of introduction. I just said hello and a familiar voice on the other end asked if sean was around and i let them know he wasnt and was happy to pass on a message and he said sarah is the new and i was like wait a minute, yes sir, mr. President and here was the president of the United States calling on the mainline and once he realized it was me, they struck a quick conversation and spoke for several minutes and in that exchange he told me about a beautiful message he attempted to put out that didnt go because he had been in an area that didnt have Good Communications and when it didnt, we kind of joked about maybe he should go back and spend some time there the next time he has a beautiful message and he was nice enough to laugh and not fire me in that moment. That was the first of hundreds of thousands of phone calls for the president and i share a good laugh and still to this day i dont know why i thought comfortable enough to make that joke, but i guess maybe it dice and we had a good working relationship every day after that. Host you talk about how you tried to steer him away from tweeting as much as you could without blatantly saying sir, you shouldnt do that. Although you might have been a couple times. They were taking a hike above the Potomac River with your family, its Christmas Eve and they were walking along just staring at your phone almost the whole time because its just lighting up with alerts with a tweeting storm and as soon as you got to come to talk about this. Guest in that moment i decided maybe now that we are moving into the evening of Christmas Eve it might be a good time to shut down record for the evening and let everybody including me enjoy the rest of Christmas Eve. But one of the things i do appreciate and people always ask me and say why dont you tell him to stop. I think that its a good thing for the American People to have that much access to what the president is thinking and i also think this day and age when so much of the media around the president i think its very biased the idea he can go around them and get a message directly to the American People is a good thing. I would be interested to see and will be interested to see after he leaves office of the next person who occupies that office, whether or not the kind of follow him and use that tool as a way to deliver a message not to the American People but frankly to the world. I think the president has been successful in doing that. That doesnt mean you love every message but its important people have that kind of access to his thinking. Host there is one where you hinted that he egged people on a little bit and its right after the White House Press pundits Association Dinner where a comedian said some pretty abrasive things about you and then also the country was dealing with this crisis of this controversy over separating children from their parents at the border. They were in the situation room for a meeting on the border crisis and the president called you to the oval office and said what did you think about my tweeting out of red hen which is an episode where your family was in virginia and asked to leave. So share a little bit about that story and at that time i that te house and then got, what you told him about that and you said i think actually its causing its making my security situation a little bit more perilous is what they told him. It wasnt that that made the situation difficult. He asked me if i thought the whole thing was the attention i guess around it was the sort of cold and how they related to my side to support me and i said its scary to have so much attention because i had the family and i dont have any security. And he was so surprised. I think he thought because hes so surrounded by secret service overtime that i think he felt like most of the rest of us also have secret service. I really dont know that it had crossed his mind that there would be a Security Threat to any of those that worked for him until that moment and so i just wanted to clarify that. But the difficult part was in that red hen moment, the idea that because i worked for the president and because someone disagreed with me politically and may be philosophically that they would ask me to leave a restaurant and do so in such a public way and with my family, many of whom my husbands side of the family were Hillary Clinton supporters have voted for her in 2016 and so were sitting there in this restaurant and they tell me what a terrible person i and kicks me out of the establishment. But a lot of people dont know is what happened after that. We quietly left the restaurant, dont make a scene. My husband and i went home and the rest of our family went on to another restaurant that night across the street. The Restaurant Owner from the red hen in lexington actually followed them and gathered her friends together to protest them outside of a second restaurant despite the fact i wasnt even there. I just dont think people should be able to people should agree to disagree but that level of anger launched that any individual wasnt called for and i thin think it puts us in a dangerous place in our country. Host you wrote about how you didnt get dinner that night, you have driven four hours and you went back to, had a serial for dinner and you talked very movingly later about how he became afraid for your childrens lives. Do you think any of the white house staff internalized the message people were trying to send at that point about separating children from their parents at the border, do you think that the white house staff equated those things . Guest certainly i dont think that me personally or anybody in this town, nobody wanted to see that happen. I think it was just such a difficult situation in determining best how to handle this crisis one of the most tragic part the difficult journey people go down. Women and children, the amount of sexual abuse and assault people undergo on that journey crossing the border is awful. Nobody wants to see that happen. Nobody wants to see kids separated from their parents and i think thats one of the reasons we have to take a look at our immigration system and how we fix it, how we do better as a country. I dont think anybody wanted that and certainly we were very aware of the difficulties and even understood the frustration and the anger, but i dont think certain peaceful protesting i totally understand and have no problem with, but the type of aggressive nature that a lot of us had to go through i dont think was justified and wasnt a positive step in the right direction when you have a member of Congress LikeMaxine Waters telling people to get in our faces and let us know we are not welcome anywhere anytime, that wasnt helpful for the country. I would certainly like to see us have the ability to have these conversations and to disagree with one another but to do so in a way that isnt so threatening and dangerous to those individuals. Host you write about how the president said the leaks stopped and she calls people that had conversations with reporters on the record. Do you think there will be more as we get closer to to election especially the military leadership or why do you think these still continue to have been . Guest every white house has had them, it isnt new. But certainly the level is much higher than we have seen in the past. I think people get excited about the proximity of power. Some people want to drive and vision to. Some people hope to feel important and let everybody know they are in the room. Some people do it to settle scores with people they dont like so they can take them down. I would like to say that its such a disloyal and disgusting practice im not a big fan of it as i write about in the book and i wouldv would do this. Fullt i dont see that happening in this white house or in the white house after. Host do you have any idea who anonymous was entitle was ty would tell us if you did do you suspect who it was and can you describe may be the persons will . Guest i have guesses, but i dont have anything fast. I would certainly announce that long ago because i just dont think that that type of action is very cowardly if you feel strongly about something, stand up and be bold in your declaration. I have no problem talking about what i believe in and being up front and outspoken on with my beliefs are and why i believe them. Its my support and i will call othat person to do the same. Guest i do with the atlantic story being in the news, is it possible that some pieces of the story were possible because you have some of the other staff were not with him at all times, is it possible that he made that comment when you were not around . Guest it was specific to whether he went to that cemetery. I was there and was only one of a handful of people that were part of the discussion and the majority of everybody that was a part of the conversation has come out and said that it didnt happen. But more than just in that moment, i spent two and a half years almost every single day next to the president and watch them interact not just here in the United States but literally all over the world with men and women of our armed services, and i know the level of respect and appreciation that this president has for the people that keep us free and allow us to live in this country. Host very good. I know we are getting close to the end here. Is there any last part of the book you want to tell people about . Guest everybody should not just buy a copy for themselves but several for their friends and family. In all seriousness, i pour my heart and soul into this book and i think even if you are not political, there is something in the book for everybody. People can laugh and cry and if there is something everyone will enjoy and reading my book and i hope they will. Host one last question Everybody Knows americans make mistakes. They have any insight into why the president is so willing to ever admit on the stage after . Guest the president is somebody that is a fighter. He likes to push back and thats just who he is. I dont think anybody that supported him in 2016 was hoping for a different person. They wanted the fighter, they wanted donald trump, somebody to come in and shake up watching them in a way that had never been done before and i think they got what they wanted. He has delivered on all the things he set out to do. He has either done it or made significant progress towards it and i think that is why he will do wel so again in 2020. Host thing you. It was good to talk with you. Guest you bet. Thanks, jennifer. This program is available as a podcast. All after words programs can be viewed on our website booktv. Org. If hello everyone. I am a director. Welcome to todays program with former congresswoman katie hill in her new book she will rise becoming a warrior in the battle for truly quality. She will be in conversation